Garmin Express Wakes Computer at 2:00 AM

 

My PC just got a clean install of Windows 10 plus all the Garmin software. The settings in Garmin Express were done the same way suggested by members, including: "Automatically download device updates (radio button) Never."

The computer is set to sleep at night and touch any key to wake it up. After the Garmin software was installed, the computer started waking up at 2:00 AM every night for a half hour. This woke me up.

In Windows 10, Windows Administrative Tools, Task Scheduler, there is a task called GarminUpdaterTask. Inside that there is ExpressSelfUpdater. A check of its properties shows that it runs every day at 2:00 AM. I changed it to 9:30 AM. I could disable it but I am sure Garmin Express will override my setting.

dobs108 smile

No it won't

You can also override it in garmin express under schedule and hit never. You can go into Services and disable it in there also.
It won't change garmin wanting to update as soon as you run the program though, which is ok. In any event uncheck those two check boxes under general settings in the program, no real need for them, unless of course you absolutely need express to start when you plug your Garmin in

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Schedule is part of settings for GE

Go to GE, then hit the settings button (the "gear" at top right, then click on Schedule (along left edge) and set it to "never". GE won't override that setting.

[Edit]Speed2 also provided the same answer which I hadn't noticed. Perhaps we should have a way to delete an entry?

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John from PA

The GE settings were to never update

Guys, the main point of my post is that GE had already been set to "never" update days before I found that task in Windows Task Scheduler. The computer had also been rebooted.

The Garmin settings did not result in the task being deleted or disabled. I heard it run and saw the entry in Task Scheduler that it ran at that time. Whether this is a Garmin or Windows 10 bug cannot be determined.

dobs108 smile

Most likely not a bug...

dobs108 wrote:

Guys, the main point of my post is that GE had already been set to "never" update days before I found that task in Windows Task Scheduler. The computer had also been rebooted.

The Garmin settings did not result in the task being deleted or disabled. I heard it run and saw the entry in Task Scheduler that it ran at that time. Whether this is a Garmin or Windows 10 bug cannot be determined.

dobs108 smile

I doubt that it being in Task Scheduler is a bug in Garmin or Windows. If it was, IMO the complaint would be more common.

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John from PA

I checked my task scheduler

I have GarminUpdaterTask in there with a schedule to run at 2am every day. It last ran today (2/10/2020) at 1:07:46 am. I never scheduled this. It does not wake my computer because my computer is on 24/7 till I reboot it. I do not idle the drives or the monitor.

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Nuvi 2460LMT.

What version of Windows are you running?

pwohlrab wrote:

I have GarminUpdaterTask in there with a schedule to run at 2am every day. It last ran today (2/10/2020) at 1:07:46 am. I never scheduled this. It does not wake my computer because my computer is on 24/7 till I reboot it. I do not idle the drives or the monitor.

I've checked four different Windows 10 PC's and nothing is there to make GE run. I am aware of some issues about 5 years back where there was an entry in the registry (GarminExpressTrayApp) that could impact the automatic startup of Garmin Express. That is not present in the registry of any of my Win 10 machines.

Microsoft has a utility called Autoruns that far exceeds the capability of MSCONFIG. Autoruns will show you which programs are set to run during login or system bootup. Often tasks are run outside those shown in the Startup folder and are defined in the Run, RunOnce, as well as other Registry keys. It will also display other locations as well, including Explorer shell extensions, browser helper objects, toolbars, auto-start services, Winlogon notifications, and more. There is also a section that addresses the
Hide Signed Microsoft Entries which includes 3rd party auto start features that have been added to your system. You can download Autoruns directly from Microsoft; see https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/auto....

By the way I find it interesting that if you have it to run at 2 AM every day, on one particular instance it ran at 1:07:46 AM. Scheduler is amazingly accurate as far as time, assuming your PC clock is accurate...and if the clock was off by 53 minutes, you might have other problems.

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John from PA

GarminUpdaterTask is in task scheduler

I have used Autoruns for years. It lists processes that start after boot, not those that are scheduled.

The latest news is even worse! Remember that I changed the start time of GarminUpdaterTask in Task Scheduler to 9:30 AM? Well, this morning at 2:00 AM, the computer woke from sleep! That must mean that Garmin Express changed the start time entry back again. I don't have time to look now, but stay tuned.

dobs108 smile

Still, may shed some light on the behavior

dobs108 wrote:

I have used Autoruns for years. It lists processes that start after boot, not those that are scheduled.

The latest news is even worse! Remember that I changed the start time of GarminUpdaterTask in Task Scheduler to 9:30 AM? Well, this morning at 2:00 AM, the computer woke from sleep! That must mean that Garmin Express changed the start time entry back again. I don't have time to look now, but stay tuned.

dobs108 smile

Autoruns yields the properties of executables configured to run automatically, some of which may then modify some other executable. Since you are having strange behavior with GE, totally unlike the feature set in GE, and not apparently anything in the readily available Windows function, I offer Autoruns simply as a suggestion.

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John from PA

I am not looking for issues, just reporting what I see.

I am running W10 professional, version 1909 updated to the latest cumulative update of 2020-01. I am not going to figure out where the discrepancies are. My computer has no issues other that the usual W10 crap and idiosyncrasies. My clock and date in bios and task bar are correct (I am aware of what can happen if they are off).

Lets make this even more interesting. I fired up "autoruns" to look at the Scheduled tasks. I had actually forgot I had this program. Well, there is NO scheduled task for anything related to Garmin.

I then took a look again at task scheduler in windows. Even though it is set (I never set this) to run at 2 am every day it ran this morning (2/11/2020) at 2:30:23 am. The next scheduled time is 2/12/2020 at 4:28:05 am.

My Garmin Express settings under general are both unchecked. So its not running in the background and it won't automatically launch when I plug my garmin in. I have the schedule set to never download device updates.

So, why all the oddities? Good question. Lets consider it the idiosyncrasies of Windows.

John from PA wrote:
pwohlrab wrote:

I have GarminUpdaterTask in there with a schedule to run at 2am every day. It last ran today (2/10/2020) at 1:07:46 am. I never scheduled this. It does not wake my computer because my computer is on 24/7 till I reboot it. I do not idle the drives or the monitor.

I've checked four different Windows 10 PC's and nothing is there to make GE run. I am aware of some issues about 5 years back where there was an entry in the registry (GarminExpressTrayApp) that could impact the automatic startup of Garmin Express. That is not present in the registry of any of my Win 10 machines.

Microsoft has a utility called Autoruns that far exceeds the capability of MSCONFIG. Autoruns will show you which programs are set to run during login or system bootup. Often tasks are run outside those shown in the Startup folder and are defined in the Run, RunOnce, as well as other Registry keys. It will also display other locations as well, including Explorer shell extensions, browser helper objects, toolbars, auto-start services, Winlogon notifications, and more. There is also a section that addresses the
Hide Signed Microsoft Entries which includes 3rd party auto start features that have been added to your system. You can download Autoruns directly from Microsoft; see https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/auto....

By the way I find it interesting that if you have it to run at 2 AM every day, on one particular instance it ran at 1:07:46 AM. Scheduler is amazingly accurate as far as time, assuming your PC clock is accurate...and if the clock was off by 53 minutes, you might have other problems.

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Nuvi 2460LMT.

GarminUpdaterTask

Ran Autoruns and found GarminUpdaterTask running at 1:30 PM. According to Windows 10 Task Scheduler, it starts every day at 9:30 AM, the time I set it at after changing it from 2:00 AM. The settings inside Garmin Express are not to run in the background and never update. I believe it is running and communicating with the Garmin server for about a half hour.

There is no task scheduled to run at 2:00 AM, so I don't know what is waking the computer at that time. There are many tasks with multiple triggers and there is no way to search.

I will have to shut down the computer overnight and forget about sleep.

dobs108 smile