Reminder of end of Windows 7 support

 

Just did an update to Winows 7 today and was reminded by MS that the end of Windows 7 support will end on January 14, 2020.

Don't really want to update to Windows 10, because I dislike the user interface change. BUT, I do know that you can change how Win 10 looks in the "Personalize" menu. Selecting "Classic" will make the screen look like Win 7. Hopefully all the major bugs have been fixed.

Also, you can download (for free) various start menus. See:
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/make-windows-10-like-wind...

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Pretty Much Ready

dobs108 wrote:

Gary A, I will be doing what you are doing in two weeks, so I am following what you are doing. Two identical PCs with Windows 7 will be formatted and a clean install of Windows 10 will be done.

dobs108 smile

I've got all the preliminary loading done. I boot Win10 to tweak some settings when I read something worthwhile.

I'm going to wait until after Jan 1, once I've pulled down all my year end financial numbers.

On the day I decide to swap the dual boot to make Win10 the default, I'll only have to convert some financial files and move over my email client data. Oh yeah, and my wife's game's high scores. rolleyes Very important. laugh out loud

I'll probably do it on a weekend. If I find I forgot something, I can always boot Win7 back up.

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Classic shell is now open shell

Here is another good link from PC Magazine:

https://www.pcmag.com/feature/372296/how-to-make-windows-10-...

It says Classic Shell is now called Open Shell.

dobs108 smile

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Updated all of my Windows 7 PCs while MS is offering it for free. Windows 10 is definitely growing on me

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3rd Party Install

dobs108 wrote:

Here is another good link from PC Magazine:

https://www.pcmag.com/feature/372296/how-to-make-windows-10-...

It says Classic Shell is now called Open Shell.

dobs108 smile

I thought perhaps this was added in a new build of Windows 10. Looks like a 3rd party developed it. Still nice to know:

https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/

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Time to upgrade

It is good while it last. Windows 10 seems to be better running on an older computer with Windows 7 except couple chipsets driver that I can't find the update.

chipset drivers

For my Intel system boards for two PCs, running Windows 7 x64 for the last 8 years, I have used a utility on the Intel website and also ASUS, the board manufacturer, to install the chipset drivers several times. This failed every time.

The conclusion is that the operating system is providing the chipset driver and is preventing me from installing the Intel version. I believe that with Windows 10, the same thing will happen.

dobs108 smile

Yeah, I am used to Windows

Yeah, I am used to Windows 10 now. Never had a problem as far as bugs, but I do run 1 build behind. I will update to the current build once the next build comes out. The most important thing in my opinion is to change the privacy settings. The default settings send everything to Microsoft and I do mean everything.

My hospital still uses

My hospital still uses windows 7...

Moving from Windows 7 to Linux

Just in case anyone is interested.

Your Full Guide on Migrating from Windows 7 to Linux

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Win 10 Antivirus

How many Win 10 converts rely on the built in Windows Defender antivirus program? Do you run auxiliary virus protection and if so what do you use?

Linux: Interesting, might be

Linux:
Interesting, might be ok for those that like to fiddle with the OS to make things work. Not for me anymore.

I've got all my machines upgraded to from W7 to W10 now, so I don't want to go through another learning curve.

I will mention that I tried Linux about 4 years ago on a desktop dual boot configuration with W7 on one boot and Linux on the other. Making all the MS programs, Quicken, and other accounting programs function flawlessly with Wine was not successful.

I also tried, at that time, Opensource, Libre, etc, MS office equivlants which work fine IF you do not use a lot of hyperlink formulas. I found that aspect of opensource excel wanting.

But, why bother? I have now upgraded 8 W7 machines to W10 Home, (including 2 W10 Pro) with only minor problems, that were fixable once W10 was up and running. The ads, data gathering, etc, can be cut to a minimum. Heck, there is more data gathering going on with your cell phone that nobody seems to care about.

I am not convinced that most people will go to Linux, they can barely understand Windows or MacOS.

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BitDefender

bdhsfz6 wrote:

How many Win 10 converts rely on the built in Windows Defender antivirus program? Do you run auxiliary virus protection and if so what do you use?

I have always used third party antivirus add-ons, admittedly as much out of habit as for any technical reason. After switching to Windows 10, I used the free version of Avast for a while. It provided adequate protection in that I never got infected while using it, but it did corrupt my Windows installation a couple of times when it updated, causing some grief in getting everything back to normal. So after doing some research in online reviews, I switched all my Win 10 machines over to Bit Defender about 18 months ago. It has worked well for me. When I renewed my license after the first year, I added the VPN agent with unlimited data because I needed to be able to download some Bosch software that was blocked for US customers, so I needed to connect with a European IP number. I don't use the VPN agent that often, but it is nice to know you have an additional layer of tracking prevention when you think you might need it for certain sites.

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No fiddling required... usually

KenSny wrote:

Linux:
Interesting, might be ok for those that like to fiddle with the OS to make things work. Not for me anymore.

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I am not convinced that most people will go to Linux, they can barely understand Windows or MacOS.

Generally with Ubuntu the installer does most everything for you, including setting up a dual-boot configuration. Occasionally there might be hardware driver issues but they seem to work very hard to avoid those sorts of problems. This is in definite contrast to MS trying to make it nearly impossible for users to get drivers for newer hardware for their older versions of Windows, forcing an upgrade to a newer OS version.

If you're resizing any existing partitions to make more space for the Ubuntu volume, then that's one area that might make folks nervous (and it should). Otherwise, the installation is relatively easy and as stated before, the UI is familiar and intuitive enough that my 91 year-old mother has had no problems making the adjustment, you don't need to be a Linux geek to use modern GUI-centric Linux distributions like Ubuntu.

WINE is hit or miss, but the PlayOnLinux frontend makes it easier to use and adds more out-of-the-box software support from WINE. As for Quicken, GnuCash does everything Quicken does and then some. And then some more...

Interesting on the hyperlink spreadsheet formulas though, I don't use them so I wasn't aware of that potential issue with the Open/LibreOffice spreadsheet variants.

Happy New Year everyone!

- Phil

Did your Windows 7 Computer Melt Down Today?

Today is the day. Armageddon is upon us.
Switch to Linux. 😀

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LOL

Steve R. wrote:

Today is the day. Armageddon is upon us.
Switch to Linux. 😀

I have some auto mfg software on Win7 and also some Panasonic Toughbooks on Win7 so no intention of switching. These machines don't even need to go online for my needs. But I did notice that there were no updates since late Dec.

one PC done with Windows 10 install

Just finished the clean install of Windows 10 on one of my PCs. It went quicker than anticipated. Even installing the apps went quickly.

It helped that the data is not on the C: solid state drive but on a separate spinning hard drive. This was removed to prevent Windows 10 from formatting that drive, too!

dobs108 smile

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johnnatash4 wrote:
Steve R. wrote:

Today is the day. Armageddon is upon us.
Switch to Linux. 😀

I have some auto mfg software on Win7 and also some Panasonic Toughbooks on Win7 so no intention of switching. These machines don't even need to go online for my needs. But I did notice that there were no updates since late Dec.

There are 2 or 3 new Windows 7 updates released on the last day of support, January 14.

Free Windows 10 Upgrade

I have a PC computer that I built from components in 2008 and at the time I used an OEM SYSTEM Builder Pack Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit as the operating system. I’ve kept this system as a backup system only since in 2018 I built a new PC using Windows 10 Pro 64bit OS.

You can buy and download Windows 10 via Microsoft's website for $139. While Microsoft technically ended its free Windows 10 upgrade program in July 2016, a free update is still available for Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 users still in 2020. Since my Windows 7 OEM OS was still tied to the original motherboard from 2008, I qualified for the free Windows 10 upgrade.

A download of MediaCreationTool1909.exe from Microsoft was used to facilitate the free upgrade change from Windows 7 to Windows 10. My Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit system was upgraded to Windows 10 Pro 64 bit. It took much of yesterday to facilitate this upgrade process but the price was right. grin

That is what I did

Did a clean install. When it was time to enter the Windows 10 serial number I entered the serial number from my OEM full version of Windows 7 and it worked. The price was right!

Alternate to what dobs108 did

dobs108 wrote:

Did a clean install. When it was time to enter the Windows 10 serial number I entered the serial number from my OEM full version of Windows 7 and it worked. The price was right!

“Dobs108” was fortunate to have the serial number, often called the product key. Many may not know what that is, and it is always a good idea to have it, and the same for Office products, prior to doing a clean install which wipes everything out.

I highly recommend a free utility called Belarc Advisor prior to doing an upgrade or clean install of Win 10. When it is run on you PC, it will extract in about 3 to 5 minutes, every product key on the old installation. Print the resulting document as it will also provide in one handy spot about 4 to 5 pages of infromation about your computer.

Link for Belarc Advisor is https://www.belarc.com/products_belarc_advisor

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Wow..

I can't remember the last time I used this OS? Dinosaur City!

Wow is right

allbizz wrote:

I can't remember the last time I used this OS? Dinosaur City!

So accoding to ComputerWorld:
"The percentage of Windows PCs is larger than the percentage of all personal computers because Windows does not run every desktop and laptop. In December, Windows powered 86.8% of the world's personal computers (an increase of seven-tenths of a percentage point). Of the remainder, all but a tiny fraction ran macOS, Linux or Chrome OS, in that order of decreasing popularity."

Looks like Dinosaurs are running wild.... What OS is your shrinking favorite?

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Remember When...

A new release of Windows made people camp out in front of CompUSA and other stores for days?

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And today the same thing

And today the same thing happens when a new iPhone is released, they just got to have bragging rights to the newest product.

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Ditto

John from PA wrote:
dobs108 wrote:

Did a clean install. When it was time to enter the Windows 10 serial number I entered the serial number from my OEM full version of Windows 7 and it worked. The price was right!

“Dobs108” was fortunate to have the serial number, often called the product key. Many may not know what that is, and it is always a good idea to have it, and the same for Office products, prior to doing a clean install which wipes everything out.

I highly recommend a free utility called Belarc Advisor prior to doing an upgrade or clean install of Win 10. When it is run on you PC, it will extract in about 3 to 5 minutes, every product key on the old installation. Print the resulting document as it will also provide in one handy spot about 4 to 5 pages of infromation about your computer.

Link for Belarc Advisor is https://www.belarc.com/products_belarc_advisor

I concur about Belarc Advisor. It has been quite helpful over the years,

If you chose to keep Windows 7...

If you chose to keep Windows 7, then you might want to review the article at https://www.howtogeek.com/509175/how-to-secure-your-windows-... and see what steps (if any) that you might want to do to protect your computer.

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diesel wrote:

A new release of Windows made people camp out in front of CompUSA and other stores for days?

Was that when Microsoft used Mick Jagger's song Start Me Up, in the mid 90s? Windows 95 to be precise. Setup comes in several floppy disks.

cool

Thanks.

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second PC done

dobs108 wrote:

Just finished the clean install of Windows 10 on one of my PCs. It went quicker than anticipated. Even installing the apps went quickly.

It helped that the data is not on the C: solid state drive but on a separate spinning hard drive. This was removed to prevent Windows 10 from formatting that drive, too!

dobs108 smile

Finished the second PC. Everything went well. The Windows 7 product keys worked for the Windows 10 clean install. I am reserving my decision on Windows 10 annoyances because I have only begun to eliminate them.

dobs108 smile

I use my Windows 7 Ultimate

I use my Windows 7 Ultimate Promotional edition (NFR - not for resale) serial number to install Windows 10 on a spare HD. Delete all partitions and format the HD. Win 10 Pro gets installed and activated successfully.

The asteroid cometh, and right soon

Steve R. wrote:

Today is the day. Armageddon is upon us.
Switch to Linux. 😀

Amen.

KenSny wrote:

So accoding to ComputerWorld:
"The percentage of Windows PCs is larger than the percentage of all personal computers because Windows does not run every desktop and laptop. In December, Windows powered 86.8% of the world's personal computers (an increase of seven-tenths of a percentage point). Of the remainder, all but a tiny fraction ran macOS, Linux or Chrome OS, in that order of decreasing popularity."

Looks like Dinosaurs are running wild.... What OS is your shrinking favorite?

A testament to the power of marketing and misinformation. Just like the whole climate change debacle. Cut down the CO2-sinking forests and pave over the plants while increasing the number of CO2-producing vehicles, factories, fossil-fueled power plants, and small engines to mow the rest of the plants and forests down. When distilled down to those facts, the answer is pretty simple and obvious but those who never studied chemistry or physics (including our president) will argue about how it's all a hoax.

But my apologies, I digress. I've since added my 73 year-old mother-in-law to the Linux club and she loves it too. She's actually finding it easier to use than her previous Windows installation. At least I don't have to worry about her being hacked and all of her info being sold and/or held for ransom.

Don't get me wrong, there are places for all of the OS versions, including Windows, but the fact that it's on more than 86% of the world's computers is not really a reflection of where it's most appropriate.

- Phil

Forumn Rule

Avoid bickering or arguing for sport. POI Factory is not a forum for politically charged debate. Let's avoid topics that already have a long list of Democrat or Republican talking points or that name specific politicians.

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Sorry about that

mmullins98 wrote:

Avoid bickering or arguing for sport. POI Factory is not a forum for politically charged debate. Let's avoid topics that already have a long list of Democrat or Republican talking points or that name specific politicians.

It wasn't for sport but agreed... probably should have left that one alone. My apologies.

- Phil

Thank You

I appreciate the positive response when a fellow community member posted the forum rules reminder.

~Angela

Amazing

... that users are trying to hold on to an antiquated operating system.

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Not necessarily

diesel wrote:

(Amazing)... that users are trying to hold on to an antiquated operating system.

Playing devil's advocate, I have to give credit where credit is due. Windows isn't antiquated, many improvements have been made to it over the years and it's much more stable now. In fact, in some respects it has become more Linux/Unix (Posix) like. The security model has evolved over the years to become more Posix-like as well.

The main problem that I and many others have with Windows is the built-in spyware that keeps track of everything, and while we all need to stay in business - the forced migration/upgrade for profit model that seems to be necessary a little too often and costs companies lot$ of money. In the past it was much more of a stability issue but the latest versions of Windows (Windows Server at least), are much more stable. I still don't think that they have matched the security and stability/reliability of a modern Linux system, but modern versions of Windows are WAY better than they used to be.

Sure, Linux has evolved greatly over the years but so has Windows.. it simply had to. It would have become too much of an embarrassment otherwise, to be honest.

- Phil

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I actually like the change. IMO, the Start menu prior to Windows 8 was a little cumbersome to use. I love the ability to pin shortcuts without having to scroll.

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Interesting Comments

This thread sparked some comments that were interesting to read. So the Earth still rotates with the the demise of Windows 7. Interesting.

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Not quite yet

Steve R. wrote:

This thread sparked some comments that were interesting to read. So the Earth still rotates with the the demise of Windows 7. Interesting.

There are still plenty of businesses and home PCs out there that are not able (financially) to upgrade. But as long as the "Free" upgrade is available, I don't know what is holding them back.

Incidentally, a search on Amazon & Newegg does not find any "Upgrade" CDs or downloads. THe only programs available are for "New PC" (OEM) installs. Although the Win 10 OEM CD might do an upgrade, as some previous OEM installs have done. Everyone should tell all their friends about getting a "Free" upgrade to Win 10. I saw Win 10 Pro on Amazon for as much as $199 USD. I don't think any versions were for less than $100 USD (Home, etc.). No wonder some folks are balking at upgrading.

My wife has decided that it is time for a new laptop, rather than upgrade the present one. The CPU is only 2.4 Ghz and the hard drive is very, very slow. I guess I'll have to clean out all the software and use a program to cleanup all the free space before gifting it to someone in the family.

So far, I am pleased with Win 10. Although. I have no idea why the update moved my Outlook .pst files (and other critical files) to a "temp" directory. I found that out by accidently deleting them. Good thing I had done a backup 2 days before, so I didn't lose much and nothing important and they are no longer in a Temp directory. So far, the only program that has a problem is "Video Poker For Winners". When I play the "Super Times Pay" (has a multiplier that appears randomly) and the multiplier appears - the program "locks up" and you have to go into Task Manager and kill the program. Of course, any wins or losses are gone. Fortunately they have an upgrade in the works.

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Not quite yet...something to consider

metricman wrote:
Steve R. wrote:

My wife has decided that it is time for a new laptop, rather than upgrade the present one. The CPU is only 2.4 Ghz and the hard drive is very, very slow. I guess I'll have to clean out all the software and use a program to cleanup all the free space before gifting it to someone in the family.

You may wish to consider upgrading the laptop to a solid state drive (SSD), as opposed to an HDD (older spinning platter type drive). This is often extremely easy to accomplish. I recently did a Dell D630 ("vintage 2007") and the client was very pleased with the results. The boot time (with Windows 7) went from several minutes down to about 30 seconds. The cost was about $60 for the new 256GB Samsung drive which also about twice the previous storage capacity. Samsung provides cloning software and cloning the old drive to the new took about an hours. Then the drives were physically swapped which involved one screw to open a compartment on the bottom of the laptop. Once the new SSD was installed, I did a Win 10 upgrade keeping the old HDD as a backup. With an $8 purchase of a SATA drive enclosure, that became an external USB drive. After a month or so of using the Win 10, the client formatted the external drive and now uses it for storage purposes.

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metricman wrote:

There are still plenty of businesses and home PCs out there that are not able (financially) to upgrade. But as long as the "Free" upgrade is available, I don't know what is holding them back.

Everyone should tell all their friends about getting a "Free" upgrade to Win 10. I saw Win 10 Pro on Amazon for as much as $199 USD. I don't think any versions were for less than $100 USD (Home, etc.). No wonder some folks are balking at upgrading.

Not all upgrades are free. I got 1 Windows 7 Pro that fails to upgrade to 10. Microsoft rejects its license key, saying that it is invalid. Win 10 remains in "not activated" status.

metricman wrote:

My wife has decided that it is time for a new laptop, rather than upgrade the present one. The CPU is only 2.4 Ghz and the hard drive is very, very slow.

If the bottleneck is the hard disk, I would try replacing that slow conventional hard disk with an SSD. You can 'upgrade' that laptop for less than $80. I did that to my Quad Core 2.5 GHz Windows 7 Ultimate desktop PC when the conventional HD crashed in 2016. Boot time is less than 14 seconds with SSD (it used to be over 1 minute with a conventional HD). The PC is almost 10 years old now.

My Samsung Evo 850 SSD is a SATA 3 (6 Gb/s) hard disk but my SATA controller is revision 2 so the speed maxes out at 3 Gb/s.

Upgrade to SSD

John from PA & chewbacca

I had already discussed with my wife about upgrading the hard drive to a SSD a long time ago (and recently). She wants a newer, lighter laptop with better graphics and a faster CPU. She just has to decide on one.

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A couple of things to consider

metricman wrote:

John from PA & chewbacca

I had already discussed with my wife about upgrading the hard drive to a SSD a long time ago (and recently). She wants a newer, lighter laptop with better graphics and a faster CPU. She just has to decide on one.

You could always take that old laptop as it is and install Ubuntu on it, keeping it as an extra for traveling or gifting to someone, etc. You'll likely be quite surprised by how much faster it runs. As long as it has enough RAM you should be fine. The RAM requirement is generally lower than that of Windows. Even 1GB will work fine but more is better, of course.

Most importantly though, if you did decide to go the clone-to-SSD route, make sure that you move the swap file over to the conventional, spinning HD. Solid-state drives have a finite number of write cycles and having the swap file on one will reduce its life.

Also, make sure that the version of Windows you're sticking with supports TRIM. Basically, TRIM allows the OS to tell the SSD which data blocks are free and can be deleted when files have been deleted. Solid-state drives have an integrated controller which keeps track of which memory cells have been used and how much, providing wear-leveling to avoid electrically wearing out sections of the drive. Because of this, there is a disparity between where the OS thinks the data is and where it actually is on the drive. Without TRIM, if you continually write files to the drive and delete them, the SSD will essentially "fill up", and wear-leveling cannot be applied properly, shortening its life.

If you're cloning the drive, then you may need to manually set the drive type to SSD since this may only be detected and configured during the initial setup of Windows... I'm not sure if that's the case or not.

- Phil

Where are you getting license key?

chewbacca wrote:

Not all upgrades are free. I got 1 Windows 7 Pro that fails to upgrade to 10. Microsoft rejects its license key, saying that it is invalid. Win 10 remains in "not activated" status.

Where are you getting your "license key". If you are extracting it from the registry it may be encoded. Use Belarc Advisor (free) and use the product key that it locates. Go to https://www.belarc.com/products_belarc_advisor for the download and run it. When it runs it may take several minutes because it extracts a ton of stuff about your PC. Print the result, probably 5 to 6 pages then look for the key.

By the way if you get the Windows 10 install from one PC and then try to install it on another PC it likely won't work. Windows 10 is keyed to the hardware.

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Wrong acknowledgment

@John from PA: Not a biggie, but it is a nested quote belonging to metricman who was responding to one of my comments. My name was inadvertently carried along.

PS: Made it to 11 Years!!!!

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Windows 10 x64 update 1909 file explorer stability issues

After doing a clean install of Windows 10 x64 on my two PCs, they ran perfectly for two weeks. Then Windows Update 1909 broke File Explorer. It works most of the time, but at a critical moment such as saving a file, the computer locks up and must be restarted.

I was aware of the need to delay updates because every other Windows 10 update breaks something, but in setting up a new PC, Windows Update has to be run more than once. And when it is run, it downloads EVERYTHING. There is no way to prevent certain updates. A 35 day delay is of no use if everything must then be downloaded.

If Microsoft is going to continually release updates that are not properly designed and fully tested, they will have to give users complete control of Windows Update similar to what Windows 7 had.

When these PCs ran Windows 7 there wasn't a problem for years!

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3510463/bugs-continue-...

dobs108 mad

Explorer search function not working well in Win10 1909

dobs108 wrote:

After doing a clean install of Windows 10 x64 on my two PCs, they ran perfectly for two weeks. Then Windows Update 1909 broke File Explorer. It works most of the time, but at a critical moment such as saving a file, the computer locks up and must be restarted.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3510463/bugs-continue-...

dobs108 mad

Another computerworld.com article about your issue: https://www.computerworld.com/article/3519070/is-microsoft-m...

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"Search the web and your PC"

My Windows 10 search bar says, "Search the web and your PC." If I am looking for something on the computer inside the start menu, the search bar opens Edge and Bing to search the web instead. This is a deal-breaker. I may have to install outside software to replicate the Windows 7 Start Menu.

dobs108 rolleyes

Possible fixes

dobs108 wrote:

My Windows 10 search bar says, "Search the web and your PC." If I am looking for something on the computer inside the start menu, the search bar opens Edge and Bing to search the web instead. This is a deal-breaker. I may have to install outside software to replicate the Windows 7 Start Menu.

dobs108 rolleyes

Check the link at https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/disable-web-results-windo... for a possible fix.

If you are comfortable with edit the Registry, there is a fix at https://www.howtogeek.com/224159/how-to-disable-bing-in-the-.... Note the 2nd paragaraph starting with the word "update".

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windows 10 a moving target

The link from Laptop Magazine is from 2015 and refers to settings that are not on my PC.

The link from HowToGeek has several updated paragraphs which conclude that "Search the web and your PC" cannot be disabled. I have combed through settings for search and Cortana and the Search Bar cannot be changed.

From HowToGeek:
"Update: Microsoft removed this easy graphical option from Windows 10’s Anniversary Update. Even if you turn Cortana off with a registry or Group Policy tweak, Windows 10 won’t disable web searches in the Start menu. You can, however, make the Start menu search Google instead of Bing, if you want."

I am comfortable editing the registry but the change would be futile. Microsoft update is sure to change it back. Also, disabling Edge and Bing will not stop the internet search.

All I want is to search my PC without searching the web.

dobs108 smile

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