2019.30 changes

 

Changes

A street name change, an addition of a street extension, and several new streets have been added in new housing developments. I will be taking a trip soon so I will have a better chance to see what other changes have been made on this update.

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Don't see

anything new in my area of Tennessee

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Needle in a Haystack?

Wouldn't finding changes in a new map be much like finding a needle in a haystack? Or, is there a process I don't know about for finding changes? Inquiring minds want to know. idea

You pretty much have to

You pretty much have to already know of an error, or have submitted a change. Best way it to maybe search Google or Here on the web for new construction or new subdivisions and see if they have been added.

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Frank Nuvi 3597LMT 37.322760, -79.511267

I find changes by....

....looking at the map in my area and comparing the changes on the new map to the old map. When a new road is built in the area I check the next map update, if the change is not on there, I wait until the next update. Sometimes they surprise me by getting a new road on the map fairly quickly; I’m thinking about a state highway that was included on the very next update. But, there are times when they haven’t included a road for three or four updates. It just depends on when Here gets the info and how quickly they decide to include the changes.

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Hard to test for new stuff

Trying to find "what's new" is pretty hard unless you are running two sets.. one with the new and one with the old map. In the Edmonton Alberta area I have not noticed anything new in the few days of using the latest version. Garmin added a few school zones 2 updates ago and since those original additions there have been no new ones.. again that I have found.

My beef with all these updates is that fundamental things are still.. not fixed.. Like displaying the street ahead.. and.. I am thinking that this latest version seems to have more "driving on road" than previous versions.

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We only update

To keep the "Lifetime" active, I remember a few years ago the put out announcement that Lifetime update would end if not updated annually

You obviously are not a person that goes foolishly bat crazy

windwalker wrote:

To keep the "Lifetime" active, I remember a few years ago the put out announcement that Lifetime update would end if not updated annually

That makes sense. You obviously are not a person that goes foolishly bat crazy over each new map update.

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You got me

koot wrote:
windwalker wrote:

To keep the "Lifetime" active, I remember a few years ago the put out announcement that Lifetime update would end if not updated annually

That makes sense. You obviously are not a person that goes foolishly bat crazy over each new map update.

Yup, lol, but will always post in "20XX update soon" threads, better then weekly joke thread to keep active count up

Whimsical map update thread posts.

windwalker wrote:
koot wrote:

[That makes sense. You obviously are not a person that goes foolishly bat crazy over each new map update.

Yup, lol, but will always post in "20XX update soon" threads, better then weekly joke thread to keep active count up

IMO, the best way to post weekly to keep your POI Factory windmill turning is to send a "thank you" to this week's Contributor of the Week. You also have the weekly Chit-chat thread and the "Last trip" thread if you are uncomfortable acknowledging the COW. So, there is really no need to use the map update "watch thread" for posting meaningless messages. I don't object to that silly thread since a lot of members seem to enjoy it, but there are other ways ... just sayin'.

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Just sayin’

That reminds me of my granddaughter; she’s always using that phrase. grin

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Toll road

showed up in 2019.30 which did not in 2019.20. It was opened in November 2018.

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Unless you mean November

Unless you mean November 2017 I find it amazing that Garmin/HERE
has a road that just opened the same month as the update.

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Some major projects get

Some major projects get reported in prior time to be included in new updates. Depends on the agency responsible for reporting infrastructure updates.

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Queued updates

I also have seen a fresh update show a newly built Interstate ramp which cannot have been open for traffic at the moment the map update started through the build/test/approve/distribute pipeline. I assume that Here has some capacity to accept "we promise it will be done by ..." updates.

My example ramp was not on this update, but about four years ago.

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...uncomfortable acknowledging the COW

alandb wrote:
windwalker wrote:
koot wrote:

[That makes sense. You obviously are not a person that goes foolishly bat crazy over each new map update.

Yup, lol, but will always post in "20XX update soon" threads, better then weekly joke thread to keep active count up

IMO, the best way to post weekly to keep your POI Factory windmill turning is to send a "thank you" to this week's Contributor of the Week. You also have the weekly Chit-chat thread and the "Last trip" thread if you are uncomfortable acknowledging the COW. So, there is really no need to use the map update "watch thread" for posting meaningless messages. I don't object to that silly thread since a lot of members seem to enjoy it, but there are other ways ... just sayin'.

I'm curious to understand why you think some people may be 'uncomfortable acknowledging the COW'. Could it be that many members think that recognizing a member for the COW has become stale and has noticeably outlived its original objective?

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And Even When You Do Submit a Correction, They Are Slow To Come!

phranc wrote:

You pretty much have to already know of an error, or have submitted a change. Best way it to maybe search Google or Here on the web for new construction or new subdivisions and see if they have been added.

And even then, it may not be updated. Sitting in my driveway shows an address three houses up. Won't bore you with a funny story about a termite inspector using his GPS and not looking at the house address on the house itself. I submitted a correction 5 or 10 years ago. Still not corrected on my Garmin and in vehicle map. Crazy.

Addresses will never be

Addresses will never be corrected unless GIS shifts block allocation of addresses to 911 addresses. Think about the difference about the way Block addresses are allocated. A block may have 10 addresses, 5 on each side. However address 2 may take up 3 lots while 1, 3, and 5 are direct across the street. 4 may be the only address on the odd side.

911 addresses, on the other hand, are allocated by the exact distance of the dwelling from the origin and are sequential. So a dwelling 1.260 miles from the origin will have an address of 1260 on that road. The house across the road/street the same distance will have an odd number, 1261, to keep the odd even pattern.

So, your block style addresses will never be properly located because the local Government GIS will never specify the exact locations.

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not everywhere

phranc wrote:

So, your block style addresses will never be properly located because the local Government GIS will never specify the exact locations.

I live in a place which is very, very unfriendly to attempts to locate address by assuming uniform distribution of numbers from the beginning to the end of a block. Shoot, the addresses don't even obey a consistent odd/even rule, and in a few cases are flat out of sequence. In short, the only way to get house addresses correct here is by individual values. Google's map website and Google Earth got it right some years ago (kind of spookily, if you put the address it plonks the indicator right in the middle of the actual house, not the end of the driveway). Garmin lagged, and I still have to expect people using non-updated maps in cars or old Garmin tools to call me wondering where I am as they've been guided to a place a quarter-mile away with not even the same number of digits in the street number.

But contrary to your "never", for this particular neighborhood the maps I download to my Garmin 3597 were updated to have individual house addresses correctly indicated a fair number of revision cycles ago. That must have increased the bytes required for our neighborhood by quite a lot, so I expect they won't do that for the many neighborhoods where interpolation between known number locations (not necessarily at block boundaries) works well.

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it's not Garmin that that

it's not Garmin that that can locate non 911 addresses, but Here, who is the map data supplier. If the Here map online can locate an address, then the Garmin, should be able to.

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Frank Nuvi 3597LMT 37.322760, -79.511267

D2D vs Logical

Sixeye wrote:
phranc wrote:

You pretty much have to already know of an error, or have submitted a change. Best way it to maybe search Google or Here on the web for new construction or new subdivisions and see if they have been added.

And even then, it may not be updated. Sitting in my driveway shows an address three houses up. Won't bore you with a funny story about a termite inspector using his GPS and not looking at the house address on the house itself. I submitted a correction 5 or 10 years ago. Still not corrected on my Garmin and in vehicle map. Crazy.

Address errors also depend upon the address lookup offered by your GPS device:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/42527

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/42505

Door to door errors can be updated with map updates while logical addressing will always be approximate.

Not 100% on this either, BUT a lot better.

Google places the pin for my Parents house in the middle of the 22 acres we own. Which is quite a ways from the road because it is rural. In fact, a lot of the houses are like that in rural areas.

archae86 wrote:
phranc wrote:

So, your block style addresses will never be properly located because the local Government GIS will never specify the exact locations.

I live in a place which is very, very unfriendly to attempts to locate address by assuming uniform distribution of numbers from the beginning to the end of a block. Shoot, the addresses don't even obey a consistent odd/even rule, and in a few cases are flat out of sequence. In short, the only way to get house addresses correct here is by individual values. Google's map website and Google Earth got it right some years ago (kind of spookily, if you put the address it plonks the indicator right in the middle of the actual house, not the end of the driveway). Garmin lagged, and I still have to expect people using non-updated maps in cars or old Garmin tools to call me wondering where I am as they've been guided to a place a quarter-mile away with not even the same number of digits in the street number.

But contrary to your "never", for this particular neighborhood the maps I download to my Garmin 3597 were updated to have individual house addresses correctly indicated a fair number of revision cycles ago. That must have increased the bytes required for our neighborhood by quite a lot, so I expect they won't do that for the many neighborhoods where interpolation between known number locations (not necessarily at block boundaries) works well.

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You are correct

KenSny wrote:

Unless you mean November 2017 I find it amazing that Garmin/HERE
has a road that just opened the same month as the update.

My fingers were faster and typed 2018 when it should have been "opened in November 2017"

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This brings to mind...

...An Ohio State route that opened about 3 years ago about a month or so before the new map came out. To my surprise, the new road was included in the update. This was the fastest that I have ever seen a road added. I notified Here about an incorrect route number several years back and that didn’t get corrected for about 18-24 months.

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I just updated the map

I just updated the map portion
Thanks

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Before Garmin Exspress

Come along it use to tell me what change the update included. I am talking about the Famous and old DASHBOARD update, now does not give no description and no update definition.

I have no idea on what each

I have no idea on what each update holds but I'm hoping that each update I download does in fact have at the minimum, some corrections to past errors.

strange

windwalker wrote:

To keep the "Lifetime" active, I remember a few years ago the put out announcement that Lifetime update would end if not updated annually

lifetime should mean lifetime, not lifetime "if." They should have called it LMTI, not LMT, then. Their servers take so long to make the transfer, it's no wonder many don't bother (I did it yesterday and it was "not" my internet connection, all other sites blazing fast--Garmin reminded me of a snail swimming through molasses).

Really? Unbelievable

Really? Unbelievable

the good old days

In the good old days before GPS and cell phones, I used to have a copy of paperback Rand McNally Road Atlas of the whole USA in somewhere in the trunk of the car. I was still using the map even when the stapled-together spine was about to fall apart after many years of usage.

Did not seem to have any major mishaps caused by the old out-of-date map. I did have to supplement it with AAA maps for local areas that we visit.

Yes, the good old days.

I would really be interested

I would really be interested in seeing how many Garmin Auto GPS units were ACTUALLY registered and those that were UPDATED at all.

I would bet that the average consumer that bought one of these devices NEVER bothered to go online and download GE to register, let alone update the maps on a regular basis.

We have to remember that they are a way larger number than those of us that keep the unit up-to-date.

I know of 3 people I associate with, including one I'm related to that has NEVER registered the device or updated it. They either don't know how or don't feel it's necessary.

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More Active Lane Guidance

Here in Albuquerque, there are just two Interstates, which cross near the center of town. In the past, my 3597 has seldom shown me Active Lane Guidance here (I think that is the right name for the display that shows the lane structure for the road ahead, with magenta centerlines indicate the one(s) you are advised to use), though I saw lots of it in the SF Bay area. I've been seeing more of it in Albuquerque since I made this update, so here in Albuquerque I think this update added database entries enabling this display mode.

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Well

Active Lane Guidance is a moving display showing what lane you should be in. Personally I find them very distracting and wish I could turn them off. Normal lane guidance arrows top left and junction view are enough for me in conjunction with road signs.

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You ought to give the mixing

You ought to give the mixing bowl in Springfield VA a shot. https://www.google.com/maps/place/38°47'26.8%22N+77°10'31.4%22W/@38.790772,-77.1775627,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d38.7907721!4d-77.1753742

You can also zoom in to the intersection of I95, I494, and I395.

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Frank Nuvi 3597LMT 37.322760, -79.511267

Yep ...

Know it well from the 2 years I lived in Vienna, just outside DC smile

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I drove tractor trailer

I drove tractor trailer through there on a regular basis when they were constructing that area.

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Frank Nuvi 3597LMT 37.322760, -79.511267

All I can say is WOW

That is one place to stay away from!

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2019.30 changes

I have found no changes in my immediate area. The major rerouting of US-12 in my area showed up under 2019.20, and no other changes have occurred since then.

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I'll BOLO for it. Thanks

I'll BOLO for it. Thanks

Creepy "Feature" Gone

I’m not sure if it was prior to 2019.30 or prior to internal code 4.40 (if I remember right). My DriveSmart 51LMT-S used to put minutes to my home (with my own obscure waypoint name) on the top line. I wasn’t using any navigation feature. It would happen returning home from the gym which happened ~3 times per week. I found it creepy.

Since 2019.30 and 4.40 I haven’t seen that any more.

Well ...

You're describing myTrends which will kick in again once the rules are met https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/drivesmart51-61/EN-U...

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I may be wrong, but...

... I seem to remember that if I was heading southbound on I-71 towards Cincinnati and if I had a route set, a junction view would pop up prior to I-275 and show that I was supposed to be in one of the three left lanes. Since the update, the junction view doesn’t show but it will say to be in any of the three left lanes. Kind of interesting!

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Large JCV

maddog67 wrote:

... I seem to remember that if I was heading southbound on I-71 towards Cincinnati and if I had a route set, a junction view would pop up prior to I-275 and show that I was supposed to be in one of the three left lanes. Since the update, the junction view doesn’t show but it will say to be in any of the three left lanes. Kind of interesting!

Are you using an older GPS? Maybe you need the large JCV file.

Many Thanks!

sussamb wrote:

You're describing myTrends which will kick in again once the rules are met https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/drivesmart51-61/EN-US/GUID-FDDC345D-348A-4094-B33F-B2114735FFCD.html

I started writing code in the mid '60s and developed a strong prejudice against "smart" programs which try to decide on both the problem and the solution. This "feature" seems civilized since I can apparently turn it off.

Many thanks,,,

this threads all over the place

But nice triva topics, fun to read

a few Round About's that

a few Round About's that were added here to where their had previously been intersections....
Round About's are less expensive than Stoplights?

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