Drivesmart LMT51 Firmware upgrade

I'm confused because the 1490 doesn't have a split screen? As for your 51 try a master reset.

I was also confused as split screen is used here to mean junction views but when you say "driving info," I wonder if you're referring to Map Data Fields. See owners manual, pp-10-11 in the Customizing the Map section:

http://static.garmin.com/pumac/DriveSmart_51_61_OM_EN.pdf

If you had previously created a customized data field, it's possible the firmware update reverted to the default settings.

Maybe these apply:

https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/drivesmart51-61/EN-U...

https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/drivesmart51-61/EN-U...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nmt4z3DTvo

@CraigW good point, maybe that's what he meant.

I like my 61 - am always disappointed when options are removed - seems to me more options generally better. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks for the info but I tried them all and no go.
My older 1450,1490 and my Drivesmart all had a split screen with the left side showing the map and the right side sharing with JCV a list which I could select 3 of these items.
1. Estimated Time of arrival
2. Distance to Destination.
3. Estimated Time to Destination
4. Direction of Travel
5. Elevation
6. Time of Day
This was on my drivesmart when I started but now it was removed from the map screen but only 1 of 6 choices can be selected on the bottom right in small letters.
If I wanted to change it either I take my eyes off the road (at 80mph) or stop the car. It is a safety hazard just like texting.

I know what you are saying about wanting to display the 3 fields of trip data in the right pane of the navigation screen, and I sure hope Garmin is not removing this feature with firmware updates!

Regarding split screen JCV, I have never owned or used a 14xx series nuvi, but I always thought it was one of the full screen JCV devices. Doesn't matter though relating to the main point of your post about Garmin removing the trip data on the navigation screen. Unless you find a solution to this, you might want to back level your DriveSmart to the prvious firmware version. I didn't check on the Perry site to see if the previous version is available, but that would be the first place to look (unless of course you have a backup of your DriveSmart that has the old .gcd file).

Alan is right, if by split screen on your 1490 you mean half map and half junction view then it doesn't. If however you mean map with Lane assist top left and data fields right then it does.

So does your Drive. Just tap the bottom right icon and select trip data. If trip data isn't there then enable it in Settings, Map and Vehicle, Map tools

As stated before, the split screen was sideways with the map on the left and the before 6 mentioned items on the right. When JCV navigation is needed it replaces the right screen navigation.
Map tools are:
1. Stop. Ends Navigation
2. Change route. Detour
3. Up ahead shows what is up ahead
4. Turns, Displays turns in the route
5. Trip Data tracks speed and mileage
6. Volume
7 Brightness, Screen Brightness
8. Traffic. Displays traffic conditions
9. Phone. Displays recent calls (Who Cares)

I have to either stop or look away from the road while I change the screen to find the previous 6 items mentioned.

My hardware upgrade is 4.00
Be forewarned

If the firmware update changed this, it would have been good if Garmin had warned about it other than just stating Improved Software Stability:

https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=1028...

It's also sort of odd that the above link doesn't have the usual "Install with Garmin Express" but rather a serial port and USB card programmer download are offered.

Just to be sure, when on your full screen map page, do you have and have you tapped the wrench in the lower right hand corner to bring up data field options for a customized display?

As mentioned in another reply, you could try backdating your firmware if indeed the update to 4.00 caused your issue:

http://gawisp.com/perry/drive/

I see 3.90 listed under "2018-06-25 12:11 34M."

I won't offer the backdating warnings, procedures, etc. since I've only done it once and it was a very long time ago. Hopefully, someone can reply with advice if choosing to backdate.

Trip data is meant to give you the three data fields on the right hand side. If it now doesn't do a master reset. If that doesn't change things I'd be amazed if Garmin have altered deliberately how it works as it's been like that since the nuvi models from 2013 onwards. It'll be a bug in that latest update. Just revert as already suggested. If you're unsure how to do that ask here and either I or others will explain, it's a simple process.

If tapping trip data doesn't bring up three datafields on the right hand side what does it now do?

Again for the benefit of others reading this thread, I understand your Drive offers a split screen view but the 14xx series do not.

The 1490 can be full screen or split screen. When in split screen just tap the map side and it will be full screen and to go back to the split screen tap the return at the bottom left.
Unlike the 1490 the Drivesmart software is hidden and can't be seen in Explorer so I do not know where the .gcd file is.
The software version in the 1490 is 6.3 and if asked I will not upgrade

The GUPDATE.GCD file is in the /.system folder. At least that's where it is on the DriveLuxe 50, so I assume it would be in the same location on a DriveSmart.

It is unlikely the old 1490 will ever see another software update.

The gupdate.gcd is always in the .system for devices that have a .system folder, which is normally a hidden system folder. To view it you need to set Windows to "Show hidden files, folders, and drives" AND remove the check mark for “Hide protected operating system files” (Recommended)”

For older devices and handhelds it's in the Garmin folder.

I'm not sure what you're seeing here but it's not what I know as split screen view, I've just checked my 1490 and it only displays, as it always has, a full junction view file. I guess it's possible the US model works differently though, although I've never heard anyone else say it does.

The folder /system is not visible
Under the file folder Garmin Drivesmart 51 is a file called Internal Storage and when clicked it shows all the other folders. For all I know, that /system folder was there but the upgrade hid it.
The Garmin Drivesmart folder also does not show any map files even though it has the latest installed on the unit.
They have found a way to hide all that.

Which Windows are you on? I'll provide full details but you do have a .system folder. It's also where your map file is.

http://www.poi-factory.com/garmin/problemsolver#system-folde...

Even if your device was in MS mode before the firmware update, it's possible it switched back to MTP mode. I think (please confirm, someone) that a hard reset also returns a device to MTP mode for devices that have MTP mode.

Regarding PC folder options, even folks that have seen the .system folder on their device in the past must remember when buying a new PC to alter the default folder options again to be able to see the .system folder.

Just been emailed some screen shots, the .system folder isn't showing because the device is in MTP mode. Switch it to mass storage as follows, then the .system folder will be visible provided hidden AND system files are set to show.

1. Start device by itself and go to Volume Screen.
2. Press the upper right hand corner of screen for 10 seconds.
3. The Developers Screen will pop up
(may see Configuration and Settings, if so select it)
4. Scroll down to MTP SETTINGS
5. Change from AUTO DETECT to MASS STORAGE
6. Shut down the device and connect to PC
7. It should now connect in mass storage mode.

As an alternative to step 1 and 2 above, you can bring up the "trip information" screen by tapping the speed icon, then press and hold the speedometer for about 10 seconds to access the developer screen. Now go from step 3.

I did a hard reset but it did not change anything

... crossed with mine, follow the instructions above and .system will show.

Thank you all for the information. Good help. System works and now I have many not needed files to erase. I will never go to all those listed countries.
It did not give me my duel screen that the 1490 has but I usually travel with both and my car installed one so I can not get lost. Nothing can go wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
Thanks.
I did disable the WI-FI.

Glad you got it working and thanks for emailing me the screenshots. To clarify for everyone else and anyone who reads this thread later when you were referring to splitscreen view (or duel screen as you called it above) on your 1490 it wasn't anything to do with the fact you have half map, half junction view but the map with datafields on the right hand side.

Your DriveSmart has this too, when you tap the spanner icon bottom right you can have numerous options on the right of your screen. Included in these is Trip Data which will provide you with 3 datafields on the right hand side, tapping anyone of these gives numerous options of what they can display.

Thanks sussamb for your clear explanation.

For those of us across the pond, a U.K. spanner is a U.S. wrench!

dobs108

Apologies, I forgot you don't speak English

Now now, don't get your pants in a twist.

Does this mean kurzemnieks was able to get the desired data fields on the new GPS matching the results with the old GPS? My fingers are crossed for a positive answer.

Not quite clear on that one as he didn't confirm what happens when he selects trip data having tapped on the 'wrench' icon bottom right

As posted above though I can't see that feature being removed, it's been there since 2013 on pretty much every automobile Garmin GPS ...

Only thing shown is 1 of the 6 items you can select but you have a full screen of the map and speed on the bottom left and the 1 trip data item you selected on the bottom right.
I have gone through all of the screens and nothing changes.

Settings > Map and Vehicle > Map Tools > Trip Data (make sure it is selected). Then go back to the "wrench" and see if Trip Data is one of the choices.

Note: this is the method on the 3597. It may be slightly different on the DriveSmart.

It's the same on the Drive series. He did say he's done this and that Trip data was one of the six options he got but no harm in rechecking. I'd simply like to see what happens when that is selected if it doesn't add 3 data fields, because if it's something weird that points to a bug.

Just to clarify, are you saying there is no wrench icon?

On the 2597 if you select settings,map & vehicle, map tools it will then give you option to check what you want to appear.Once checked click saved.Now go back to Where To screen and touch View Map. On lower right hand side you will see 3 horz lines. Touch that .The items you select should be there.Touching any one of them will bring up the screen on the right. Your device per your post should show 3 to select from. The 2597 shows only the one you touch. It has been that way since I have owned the GPS.

Wouldn't it be great if we had another Drivesmart 51 owner with the latest (or older) firmware reply so we could see if the problem is widespread.

It difficult with all the current and past models in use today for those of us trying to help, but without the specific model in question in our hands, to offer useful advice on occasion.

Agreed, but kurzemnieks problem seems to be he doesn't get those 3 additional datafields on the right when he selects Trip data so I'm confused

Very true, but it's been like that since the 2103 models so IMHO either kurzemnieks is doing something wrong or there is a bug in the software or a master reset is required

It's not helped by the reference to 'split screen' which initially confused many of us, it was only when he emailed me some screenshots that I realised what he meant.

I now have my 16 year old daughter's party to deal with so I'm out for a few hours

He posted he done a hard reset.

After downing 2 bottles of Kilt Lifter and working on my website I got back to the drivesmart and pushed all the screens and all of a sudden the right side showed trip data. It must have been the Scottish Ale that did it.
When I tap the map it goes to full screen and to go to trip data i hit the return arrow.
Thanks everybody.

Again you're slightly confused here. Tapping the map takes you to the 'browse map' screen like on most models, tapping the return button takes you back to the normal navigation map screen. The right side of the navigation map shows the datafields because you've hit the spanner/wrench icon and selected trip data. If you tap the wrench icon and select something else the trip data will be replaced by whatever you select, to get it back tap the wrench icon and select trip data again.

You and I are speaking different languages here.
Now when I turn on the Drivesmart and select a destination, the map shows up on the left side and the data trip shows up on the right. I tap the map side and the data disappears and the map is full screen. When I tap the lower left return then the trip data shows up on the right side. I do not touch the "Spanner".
Also now I can show 5 of 11 data items.
!. Arrival Time
2. Arrive in
3. Destination distance
4. Via point Arrival time.
5. Time to Via point
6. Via point distance
7. Distance to turn
8. Direction
9. Speed
10. time of day
11. elevation

I think I will have another Kilt Lifter

You start with the live navigation map; i.e., when you drive, your vehicle shows you where you are in real time. But when you tap the map, you go to the "browse" map which is not live; i.e., the vehicle is stationary at the point when and where you tapped the map. Try this and you'll see your map is not moving as you drive. Tap the Return Arrow and you return to the live navigation map. Yes, you lose your data field when you tap the map, but the map after a map tap isn't the one that shows your vehicle moving.

To my knowledge, this is one of the few Garmin GPS features that have been present for the On The Road devices from Day 1 and have never changed.

Just for completeness, when in the navigation map, a tap on the map takes you to the browse map except when you tap right on the vehicle itself which instead takes you to a Save Location as a Favorite or Saved Place option.

We are talking about Drivesmart and 1490 which are different than what you have listed. I am not trying to be a smart A#s but before I leave my air conditioned house in southern AZ (San Tan Valley) to my "warm" car I have already set my route up with Garmin. On the left side is the map showing my car and the direction I am suppose to go and on the right trip data. If I tap the map the trip data disappears and I have a full map and the road I am traveling. The car Icon moves. If I tap the map again a circle appears and only then I can browse the map. If I tap the return then split screen returns.

Thanks for the correction, good to know. Obviously, I've never played with adding data fields to the display.

It's this that confuses folks, it's not a split screen in the way that everyone else here means when they say split screen. Split screen is normally used to refer to half map half junction view. When it appears it appears.

What you mean is the map with a tab on the right containing datafields. You can control whether they appear or not. You can tap the cross at the top of them to close them or tap the wrench icon bottom right to select another tab. If you have traffic running and an alert pops up the traffic tab will replace the datafields tab. You get that back again by hitting wrench and selecting trip data.

... to better show the difference.

I realised what was going on when he emailed me screenshots

If they'd been posted here at the start it would have helped.

... so those of us following along can see exactly what you guys were talking about please.

I'm not sure they will help now but this is what he thought was split view on his 1490

https://flic.kr/p/29xaNKy

and this was the full map view

https://flic.kr/p/28w6BSA

On his DS51 this was the screen he was seeing

https://flic.kr/p/29BnnFX

but hadn't tapped the wrench icon bottom right to select Trip Data

Wanting to see the shots was not meant to help the OP but rather me to understand what he was seeing.

There are so many terms in the GPS world that could mean different things to different people.

Thanks.

I thought that was the problem all along, but not being familiar with that unit, I stayed out of the discussion. Looks like you came up with the correct advice.

I after a while I came to the conclusion that some of us were not speaking the same language.
Back in the late 1980's I had a big screen tv with split screen. On one side I could watch Directv and on the other side I had local TV. With a push of a button it would interchange. This to me was split screen.
Some of you have a narrow view of where split screen is the Junction view. Junction view is a temporarily screen that only shows up when you have entered a route and you must change roads.
My split screen view is always shown and only replaced when Junction view is needed. Unless I change the display data the trip data will always be there.
For those who have not discovered trip data try it and be made aware of what you may see.

I benefitted from your comment.