So much for quality control... Traffic camera in New Orleans giving speeding tickets to parked cars

 

Looks like the people certifying that a "violation occurred" don't even look at the pictures, they just send out the violations. Maybe if it happened only once I'd be forgiving, but not for more than ten times.
http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2018/04/11/traffic-camera-in-new...
Mark

Caught in Traffic

I was caught stopped in the middle of the intersection when the light turned red.

You have to figure

they were moving at the rotational speed of the earth!

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ticket

I got a ticket in the mail for speeding in a school zone for $300.00 so I went on line and downloaded the picture of the incident !
1. the license number on the ticket was for a car I traded in 6 months prior to my dealer for a new one.
2. it wasn't the same color or model in the picture of the car I traded in!
3. when I magnified the picture it wasn't the same license number as the car I traded in !
so much for somebody looked at the picture before the ticket was sent out !

I am Shocked SHOCKED that

I am Shocked SHOCKED that camera tickets are not honest and on the up-and-up. We are always told how the cameras are always accurate, and if you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. Sure!

Why I avoid them

This is why I go out of my way to avoid ticketing cameras if at all possible. If they can ticket parked cars that aren't moving, they can ticket moving cars that are going at a legal speed. I wonder how many times that happens.

I'm sure some just send em out...

Hoping people will just pay em and not look at the video clip or pic usually provided. That's the problem with a for profit company being involved. It's not right or wrong, it's how do we make more money?

Don't

Do not blame the cameras for they are doing what they are programed to do only certain things. They are not the judge and jury but not the final verdict.
Blame the sheep dip for brains who are supposed to be trained to review all transgressions before issuing tickets but failed to do it.
Blame the people who enforce the cameras and hold them accountable for their lack of actions.
Cameras do not lie but people do.

NOLA - Little pride, no one cares

baumback wrote:

Looks like the people certifying that a "violation occurred" don't even look at the pictures, they just send out the violations. Maybe if it happened only once I'd be forgiving, but not for more than ten times.
http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2018/04/11/traffic-camera-in-new...
Mark

This action would be typical for New Orleans. The city routinely preys on both locals and tourists.

Its a fun place to visit, but you better watch your step wherever you go. Not only do you have to be weary of the criminals and cons, you have to also be weary of the legal authorities.

Just sending out the violations without checking them would be par for the course for NOPD because most of the people there just don't care and do a half ass job. They do not really take much pride in what they are doing unless it relates to partying and drinking.

Most likely the city of NOLA simply wants to create revenue by whatever means is possible. Their attitude is that someone will just pay the ticket instead of taking the time to fight it. The city is corrupt and this is a par for the course tactic to fleece money from anyone who will pay.

Talk about

capst wrote:

they were moving at the rotational speed of the earth!

your hefty fines and loss of license smile

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Capt. Renault .....

telecomdigest2 wrote:

I am Shocked SHOCKED that camera tickets are not honest and on the up-and-up. We are always told how the cameras are always accurate, and if you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. Sure!

... approves of your post.

Huey Long does as well.

Sorry,....

but this is both ridiculous and a little funny.

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Agree to a point

kurzemnieks wrote:

Do not blame the cameras for they are doing what they are programed to do only certain things. They are not the judge and jury but not the final verdict.
Blame the sheep dip for brains who are supposed to be trained to review all transgressions before issuing tickets but failed to do it.
Blame the people who enforce the cameras and hold them accountable for their lack of actions.
Cameras do not lie but people do.

Agree with that to a point, but I believe the cameras are there because they know how difficult it is for most people to challenge the people involved and they know that in most cases, they can get away with robbing people blind. It would be much better to get rid of the cameras and all the problems associated with them go away as well.

Being in the middle of an

Being in the middle of an intersection when the light TURNS red does not qualify as being caught. The evidence must show that you were NOT in the intersection when the light TURNED red. If you paid a fine for just being there it might be for blocking the intersection, but it can't be for running a red light. If it was, shame on you for not reading the law and challenging it.

The speed of sitting still!

You beat me to it.
I was going to post the exact same thing!

capst wrote:

they were moving at the rotational speed of the earth!

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they're lucky they weren't closer to the equator

kb2psm wrote:

You beat me to it.
I was going to post the exact same thing!

capst wrote:

they were moving at the rotational speed of the earth!

The speed would have been higher. mrgreen

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the part that doesn't make sense

with all the cynicism about rlcs, I found an article stating that > 50% of tickets are thrown out, since they are reviewed by humans, each and every one.

They even stated reasons--

car goes on red but stops (such as it lurched forward), pics and video show car stopped over line with brake lights illuminated

system triggered erroneously

funeral procession or emergency vehicle

unlicensed canine operating vehicle with monkey in pass. seat

Tickets for parked cars not thrown out

johnnatash4 wrote:

with all the cynicism about rlcs, I found an article stating that > 50% of tickets are thrown out, since they are reviewed by humans, each and every one.

They even stated reasons--

car goes on red but stops (such as it lurched forward), pics and video show car stopped over line with brake lights illuminated

system triggered erroneously

funeral procession or emergency vehicle

unlicensed canine operating vehicle with monkey in pass. seat

Apparently, neither the machines nor the humans were smart enough to throw out tickets for parked cars in this case. Or maybe, they don't really review all the tickets....

this is where I would say

jjen wrote:

I was caught stopped in the middle of the intersection when the light turned red.

"And?"

Many likely pay anyway

tomturtle wrote:
johnnatash4 wrote:

with all the cynicism about rlcs, I found an article stating that > 50% of tickets are thrown out, since they are reviewed by humans, each and every one.

They even stated reasons--

car goes on red but stops (such as it lurched forward), pics and video show car stopped over line with brake lights illuminated

system triggered erroneously

funeral procession or emergency vehicle

unlicensed canine operating vehicle with monkey in pass. seat

Apparently, neither the machines nor the humans were smart enough to throw out tickets for parked cars in this case. Or maybe, they don't really review all the tickets....

Its probably percentages, $.48 stamp, certain percentage will not check or fight wrongfull ticket

Traffic Police

Traffic officer working the busy intersection waves cars to make left turn even though it is already a red light. Sure enough I get a red light ticket in the mail. Fought it and won but wasted my time having to fight it.

that's the human

tke1 wrote:

Traffic officer working the busy intersection waves cars to make left turn even though it is already a red light. Sure enough I get a red light ticket in the mail. Fought it and won but wasted my time having to fight it.

part, not technology. Ditto with funeral procession, emergency vehicles, blah blah blah.

Today I was driving in the opposite direction of a school bus, and its lights went directly to red, no yellow. So with such a driver, if equipped with a stop arm cam, going to have a lot of tix generated.

The human behavior needs to be corrected, not the technology.

This is why

we should all be opposed to traffic cameras.

when you say

fkent484 wrote:

we should all be opposed to traffic cameras.

this, I wonder where you reside?

Living in Phila., I think there should be more cams. Passing through W Phila., it reminds me of what I see in movies of say the Bronx in the mid 70's. Lawlessness.

At the same time, when I went to KY for business, I could see that there is no need at all. People follow rules, are not aggressive in any way. Found the same in Indy. In Calif. and S FLA, the opposite. Montréal, needed. So it depends.

OK, now it makes sense. You reside in a place that has a population of 104. The needs, behavior, etc., are totally different.

Bad Ticket

Many (many!) years ago I helped a friend with his work. He was severely disabled and I would fly with him sometimes to assist. One time we didn't even fly. We rented a car and went to a job fair type of thing at Cal State Northridge. The guy who was to help him with the presentation didn't show so I stepped up and spent 4 or 5 hours talking about something I learned right there on the spot.

A week later I got a ticket in the mail. It had my name, the proper car rental company, the wrong color of car, the wrong make of car, and was a parking ticket for Beverly Hills which we never visited. The rental car was parked at Cal State Northridge all freaking day. The ONLY way to challenge the ticket was to go to Beverly Hills traffic court which would be a 9 hour drive each way. Nice. What a racket.

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yeah but

thrak wrote:

Many (many!) years ago I helped a friend with his work. He was severely disabled and I would fly with him sometimes to assist. One time we didn't even fly. We rented a car and went to a job fair type of thing at Cal State Northridge. The guy who was to help him with the presentation didn't show so I stepped up and spent 4 or 5 hours talking about something I learned right there on the spot.

A week later I got a ticket in the mail. It had my name, the proper car rental company, the wrong color of car, the wrong make of car, and was a parking ticket for Beverly Hills which we never visited. The rental car was parked at Cal State Northridge all freaking day. The ONLY way to challenge the ticket was to go to Beverly Hills traffic court which would be a 9 hour drive each way. Nice. What a racket.

You would not get the ticket directly, you would be billed from the car rental co., just like the tolls by plate, etc. The BMW dealer has stacks of violations handled by the intern who loans out the cars, this is a common occurrence with loaner vehicles. The kid told me they just make two phone calls, which are usually ignored, and they end up paying the fines. I think when they do that, people catch on, which is why they would have the gall to rack up violations, and subsequently come back for service and get another loaner.

We finally got rid of them in Pima Co. and Tucson

What used to gripe me was they would not enforce with Mexican Plates, cost to much for the few that would pay. Now in my opinion that was illegal, just money maker tickets issued!

Remember, the cameras are

Remember, the cameras are not there for safety, they are there for revenue generation. Looking at the legitimacy of the violation might reduce revenue, so some don't go there. The only way to reduce it is a law awarding the vendor of the system to get 100% of the proceeds. The city then gets a 25$ rebate for each violation over-turned.

My zip is now in Podunk ....

johnnatash4 wrote:
fkent484 wrote:

we should all be opposed to traffic cameras.

this, I wonder where you reside?

Living in Phila., I think there should be more cams. Passing through W Phila., it reminds me of what I see in movies of say the Bronx in the mid 70's. Lawlessness.

At the same time, when I went to KY for business, I could see that there is no need at all. People follow rules, are not aggressive in any way. Found the same in Indy. In Calif. and S FLA, the opposite. Montréal, needed. So it depends.

OK, now it makes sense. You reside in a place that has a population of 104. The needs, behavior, etc., are totally different.

Born and raised on Long Island and now I live outside of Charlottesville, VA. My objection has nothing to do with if you live in a place with good drivers or bad drivers but more to do with my belief it is unconstitutional and a violation of the 6th amendment right to confront your accuser. Unless the software programmer and the person responsible for reviewing the photo/video feed shows up at the traffic court you never get your opportunity to confront your accuser. I also firmly believe as others have stated, this is not about safety but about revenue generation.

Easy

baumback wrote:

Looks like the people certifying that a "violation occurred" don't even look at the pictures, they just send out the violations. Maybe if it happened only once I'd be forgiving, but not for more than ten times.
http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2018/04/11/traffic-camera-in-new...
Mark

Seems easy to contest when the judge see the picture of an unoccupied car.

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You're still out vacation or pay for something not your fault

Garmin Gal wrote:

Seems easy to contest when the judge see the picture of an unoccupied car.

It may be easy but you still have to take the day off to go down their courtroom.

And fork over all the expenses associated with it.

cratecookie wrote:
Garmin Gal wrote:

Seems easy to contest when the judge see the picture of an unoccupied car.

It may be easy but you still have to take the day off to go down their courtroom.

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Nuvi 2460LMT and 1350.

Should be a way to make them Pay

If Ticket was BS they should be liable. When we had them it was a civil violation so you had no rights, preponderance of evidence. If you proved ticket was bogus you should get damages!