new garmins (2017)

 

looks like Garmin is getting it's 2017 offerings ready the 51/61 series

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51/61 Drive models?

Where did you find that information? Do you have a link?

Never mind ... found it on Garmins site: https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/cOnTheRoad-cAutomotive-p1.ht...

I have not figured out what all the changes and new features are, but one thing I see on the DriveLuxe and DriveAssist and DriveSmart is this: "Built-in Wi-Fi® for easy map and software updates". That is long overdue and a welcome feature IMO.

Also looks like they integrate with the Garmin Smart watches. And they have apparently dropped the LMT and LMTHD designations now showing as DriveLuxe 51 LMT-S.

It is interesting how they are pushing out updates directly to the device over WiFi. Garmin Express and a computer are apparently not needed. It makes me wonder if they have increased internal storage. If not I wonder how they will handle the SD card option for map updates, since in the past, the Garmin devices treat SD cards as read only.

It is kind of hard to tell from the Garmin site, but I am wondering if Garmin has eliminated the FM and HD traffic receivers on these devices and is now only offering Live traffic via the Smartphone Link. If that is the case, the future for our existing traffic receivers is not too promising. Remember the fiasco with the good ol' MSN Direct traffic receiver?

Another indication that the FM and HD traffic is being replaced is that SmartPhone Link Live Traffic is now apparently free. I just learned this from Boyd over on the GPS Review forum. So I updated to the newest version of Smartphone Link on my cheapo Tracfone, and sure enough ... I now have Live Traffic on my 3597!

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Alan - Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra

Garmin’s latest in-car

Garmin’s latest in-car satnav units use iPhone connectivity for live traffic, parking & tracking

https://9to5mac.com/2017/01/04/garmin-drive-5161-drivesmart-...

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Garmin Nuvi 1490LMT, Nuvi 750, Nuvi 255LT

New Garmins

Wow, those are great posts. Thank you!

My question is...

alandb wrote:

Where did you find that information? Do you have a link?

Never mind ... found it on Garmins site: https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/cOnTheRoad-cAutomotive-p1.ht...

I have not figured out what all the changes and new features are, but one thing I see on the DriveLuxe and DriveAssist and DriveSmart is this: "Built-in Wi-Fi® for easy map and software updates". That is long overdue and a welcome feature IMO.

Also looks like they integrate with the Garmin Smart watches. And they have apparently dropped the LMT and LMTHD designations now showing as DriveLuxe 51 LMT-S.

It is interesting how they are pushing out updates directly to the device over WiFi. Garmin Express and a computer are apparently not needed. It makes me wonder if they have increased internal storage. If not I wonder how they will handle the SD card option for map updates, since in the past, the Garmin devices treat SD cards as read only.

It is kind of hard to tell from the Garmin site, but I am wondering if Garmin has eliminated the FM and HD traffic receivers on these devices and is now only offering Live traffic via the Smartphone Link. If that is the case, the future for our existing traffic receivers is not too promising. Remember the fiasco with the good ol' MSN Direct traffic receiver?

Another indication that the FM and HD traffic is being replaced is that SmartPhone Link Live Traffic is now apparently free. I just learned this from Boyd over on the GPS Review forum. So I updated to the newest version of Smartphone Link on my cheapo Tracfone, and sure enough ... I now have Live Traffic on my 3597!

...how much data does the Smartphone link use?

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It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible. ----George Washington

No experience with Live Traffic.

I don't have any experience with Live Traffic, but I am pretty sure CraigW posted in another thread that it is minimal data usage. Maybe he can point us to that discussion.

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Alan - Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra

Your wish—my command

alandb wrote:

I don't have any experience with Live Traffic, but I am pretty sure CraigW posted in another thread that it is minimal data usage. Maybe he can point us to that discussion.

First, let me say my cell phones are a Tracfone where I pay for every MB of data and a FreedomPop phone with very little free data available each month. I'm also a frugal sort of guy. I do use data for the Smartphone Link's Traffic, Premium weather and traffic cameras. It's true, very little data is used. Some links:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/43856

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/44989

And as Box Car will remind me now and again, the Smartphone Link App's traffic works wherever a cell signal can be received which in many areas of the country is vastly larger than the areas' HD coverage.

Some of the best info:

On an all day drive covering several hundred miles you will use just a few hundred kilobytes. I would take a couple days to get to even a full MB. [From a Box Car post]

...and...

http://forums.gpsreview.net/discussion/28218/garmin-traffic-...

...and...

From a Garmin FAQ: How much mobile data do Garmin Live Services consume?

01/17/2012

Garmin Smartphone Link does not consume large amounts of data. Based on average consumption while using a Garmin navigator, we estimate an average monthly data usage of around 2 MB per month. Very heavy users might use up to 20 MB per month.

You Sir....

...are a gentleman and a scholar. Thanks so much for the info.

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FM Traffic Works

maddog67 wrote:

...are a gentleman and a scholar. Thanks so much for the info.

The whole reason I use Garmin navigation is because I don't want to use a phone or operate in areas with phone service is shabby. I've been very happy with the FM traffic service, so this trend is disappointing.

did not see any

specs on the dash cam, wonder if intentional. can it do the job of a dash cam is what I wonder meaning 1080p

Digital Traffic

Just saw over on the gpspassion forum that in the UK they are offering a DriveLuxe 51 LMT-D with the HD (Digital) traffic receiver in addition to the 51 LMT-S (Live Traffic through Smartphone Link). So far, the LMT-D does not show up on the Garmin US site. Go figure.

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Alan - Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra

Screen size.

On the 2016 Drive's the model number (50, 60 or 70) told you the screen size was 5", 6" or 7" respectively. On the 2017 models there are 51's and 61's but no 71's. And to make it even more confusing, the Drive 61 LMT-S has a 6.0" screen. The DriveSmart 61 LMT-S has a 6.95" screen.

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Alan - Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra

@ Alan

I just noticed that Garmin owner's manual for their new devices are now on their website.

You'll be happy to know that your clone method will still work with these devices smile

Garmin DriveLuxe 51

Map and Software Updates

For the best navigation experience, you should keep the maps and software on your device up to date. Map updates ensure your device has the latest available map data. Software updates provide improvements to features and performance.

You can update your device using two methods.

You can connect the device to a Wi‑Fi® network to update directly on the device (recommended). This option allows you to update your device conveniently without connecting it to a computer.

You can connect the device to a computer and update it using the Garmin Express™ application. This option allows you to install map data onto a memory card if the updated maps are too large to fit on the internal storage.

http://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/driveluxe51/EN-US/GUI...

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Nüvi 255WT with nüMaps Lifetime North America born on 602117815 / Nüvi 3597LMTHD born on 805972514

Two questions-or more, since I usually ask more than I expect

canuk wrote:

I just noticed that Garmin owner's manual for their new devices are now on their website.

Garmin DriveLuxe 51

Map and Software Updates

For the best navigation experience, you should keep the maps and software on your device up to date. Map updates ensure your device has the latest available map data. Software updates provide improvements to features and performance.

You can update your device using two methods.

You can connect the device to a Wi‑Fi® network to update directly on the device (recommended). This option allows you to update your device conveniently without connecting it to a computer.

You can connect the device to a computer and update it using the Garmin Express™ application. This option allows you to install map data onto a memory card if the updated maps are too large to fit on the internal storage.

First, congrats on your new tree next to your windmill!

So if updating (as recommended) by wifi, will this only work if the map update will fit? I ask since the GE method mentions the SD card while the wifi method doesn't mention SD cards.

With the wifi method, I wonder how much memory these new Garmin devices have. Unless the current map is deleted before downloading and installing the map update, I'd think that these new devices may need 16GB (or at least a lot more than earlier nuvi's 7-8GB of storage) to hold the new map update while keeping the current map until the installation succeeds with the new map update. I look forward to reading how much storage these new devices have onboard.

With the wifi method, I wonder how simultaneous software updates plus the map update are handled. Couldn't this cause some grief if not carefully thought out by the Garmin folks? Although always important with Garmin updates, these new wifi updates really should only be attempted with the device fully-charged.

Lastly, I generally don't keep my Garmin devices powered up when at home in my wifi environments so if I had a new Garmin wifi-enabled GPS, I think I'd still prefer using GE for map and other updates.

Alerts

This new series (Garmin DriveLuxe 51) is certainly fully loaded in the alerts department. mrgreen

School zone or nearby school

The device plays a tone and displays the distance to and speed limit (if available) for an upcoming school or school zone.

Speed limit reduction

The device plays a tone and displays the upcoming reduced speed limit so you can be prepared to reduce your speed.

Speed limit exceeded

The device plays a tone and displays a red border on the speed limit icon when you exceed the posted speed limit for the current road.

Wrong way on a one-way street

The device plays a message and displays a full-screen warning if you travel the wrong way on a one-way street. The edges of the screen appear red and an alert remains at the top of the screen until you leave the one-way street or correct your direction of travel.

Railroad crossing

The device plays a tone and displays the distance to an upcoming railroad crossing.

Animal crossing

The device plays a tone and displays the distance to an upcoming animal crossing area.

Curve

The device plays a tone and displays the distance to a curve in the road.

Slower traffic

The device plays a tone and displays the distance to slower traffic when you approach slower traffic at a higher speed. Your device must be receiving traffic information to use this feature (Traffic).

Fatigue warning

The device plays a tone and suggests upcoming rest stops after you have been driving for more than two hours without stopping.

I believe in safety & prevention but don't personally think I would beable to handle all the above alerts when going on a long trip. Thank goodness Garmin now gives the user the option in disabling certain alerts smile

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Nüvi 255WT with nüMaps Lifetime North America born on 602117815 / Nüvi 3597LMTHD born on 805972514

Animal Crossings

canuk wrote:

This new series (Garmin DriveLuxe 51) is certainly fully loaded in the alerts department. mrgreen

Animal Crossing

The device plays a tone and displays the distance to an upcoming animal crossing area.

The problem with Animal Crossing signs is that the animals completely ignore them and cross wherever they want!

Personally, I blame their parents razz

phone coverage

Not a problem in metropolitan areas, but phone service may be limited driving across country if GPS uses phone.

Garmin Nuvi 2340

Hi, wondered if anyone can help!

Since installing garmin express I've updated my maps once without problems however trying now is impossible! Garmin express will not find my unit, even though the computer does.

Garmin said hold volume button and locate MTP in there, I do this but there's nothing there just developers testing etc. I've tried various cables but again nothing. Master reset didn't work. All I want to do is update the maps

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Dave

School zone alerts

Are school zone alerts dependent on models? As in, does a new model have different (more) school zone alerts than an older model (with the latest map) that does have school zone alerts but not in every city.

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Built into maps

School zone alerts, like lane assist, are built into the map, so any model that shows them will be no better/worse than any other model.

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Where there's a will ... there's a way ... DriveSmart50LMT-D, Nuvi 2508LMT-D, 1490LMT, 1310, Montana 650T, Etrex 20

MTP

Davedog wrote:

Hi, wondered if anyone can help!

Since installing garmin express I've updated my maps once without problems however trying now is impossible! Garmin express will not find my unit, even though the computer does.

Garmin said hold volume button and locate MTP in there, I do this but there's nothing there just developers testing etc. I've tried various cables but again nothing. Master reset didn't work. All I want to do is update the maps

This is off topic for this thread, but I will try to help.

I don't think the 23x0 series has MTP mode, and the fact that your device is mounted as a drive on the computer indicates it is already using mass storage mode.

As to why Garmin Express is not recognizing your device is hard to know. Often this is caused by a corrupt, incomplete or missing /Garmin/GarminDevice.xml file. One thing to try is to make sure there is sufficient free space on your device (at least a few MB), then delete /Garmin/GarminDevice.xml. If you have a Mac, empty the trash. Then reboot your device which will cause it create a fresh copy of GarminDevice.xml.

If that doesn't work, your best bet is to call Garmin support so they can remotely access your nuvi and your computer to figure out what is going on.

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Alan - Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra

WiFi on 51/61

The user manual doesn't give much info on the WiFi capabilities, but it looks like the WiFi can only be used for software and map updates. I was kind of hoping Garmin would include some type of file access capability over WiFi so you could send GPX files (routes and favorites) or GPI (custom POI's) from your computer or phone. Silly me, I even thought there might be a new version of POILoader in the offing that would access the new Drive models via WiFi.

Oh well I still think the WiFi capability for updates is a step in the right direction. I hope Garmin expands the WiFi features on future models, but am not confident that they will.

Another aspect of the map updating over WiFi that just occurred to me is that I assume the individual files will need to be downloaded separately to the device. With Garmin Express, the combined files come as a compressed file, then the preparation step in Express decompresses and separates the download into finished individual files.

So unless Garmin included some kind of built in decompression app on the new Drive models, they will have to download the individual decompressed files. This would mean larger overall download volume. Even if Garmin could include a decompression app, it is unlikely that the devices have enough internal storage (for workspace) or processing power to do it.

It will be interesting to get feedback from the early adopters of these models to see how well this works.

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Alan - Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra

@DaveDog

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Where there's a will ... there's a way ... DriveSmart50LMT-D, Nuvi 2508LMT-D, 1490LMT, 1310, Montana 650T, Etrex 20

School Zone Alerts

Sorry if this is in the wrong area.

I would like to disable the school zone alerts. I have my own custom POI file (*.gpi) with school zone alerts and find the Garmin School Zone Alerts are overriding my file. Would anyone have experience in removing or suppressing the Garmin school zone alerts?

Just turning off 'alerts' would not help as that would also turn off my custom POI alerts.

Unfortunately

I don't think you can, they are part of the map data like Lane assist.

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Where there's a will ... there's a way ... DriveSmart50LMT-D, Nuvi 2508LMT-D, 1490LMT, 1310, Montana 650T, Etrex 20

FM and HD traffic

can you explain the differences for FM and HD traffic and live traffic. I have the NUVI 3597 which came with free HD traffic. Is either of the modes of traffic better and why. Also, how do I get live traffic on my 3597.

Thanks.

To get Iive Traffic, you

To get Iive Traffic, you need to get the SmartLink app from either Google Play or the IOS App Store.

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Frank Nuvi 3597LMT 37.322760, -79.511267

Traffic

bsp131 wrote:

can you explain the differences for FM and HD traffic and live traffic. I have the NUVI 3597 which came with free HD traffic. Is either of the modes of traffic better and why. Also, how do I get live traffic on my 3597.

Thanks.

Both FM and HD traffic can be supplied to your GPS from local radio stations via your nuvi's traffic receiver. There's no guarantee that a station will offer traffic but it is a guarantee that if there are no broadcasters in your area, there will be no traffic. HD broadcasters are less prevalent than FM broadcasters and in many areas, no HD broadcaster is present. If both FM and HD traffic is available, the HD will offer better traffic with quicker updates.

Live Traffic provided by the Garmin Smartphone Link app offers traffic through cell phone towers rather than through broadcast radio stations. Live traffic (now a free subscription) does require the presence of cell towers compatible with your smartphone, and of course, requires a smartphone, the free Garmin app, a GPS device that can communicate with the cell phone through Bluetooth and the user pairing the devices, etc. Live traffic does use a cell phone's data but the amount of data used is small and should not be an issue even for folks with a small data allotment each month.

Now for a real-life comparison. In large cities and highly populated states in a user's travel areas, HD traffic is quite good from what I've read and is better than FM traffic. In these cases, go ahead and use HD traffic provided by your 3597's GTM-60 power/traffic cable. If you don't own a smartphone, then HD or FM traffic is all you have available. But for folks living in less populated areas, FM and especially HD radio broadcasters are not available and you will have no traffic on your nuvi. A good example of this is the state of Arizona. In AZ, FM and HD traffic are only available in and very near Greater Phoenix and Greater Tucson. The majority of travel in AZ will therefore be without FM or HD traffic on your device. On the other hand, very much more of AZ has cell phone service and with cell service, the Live Traffic will offer traffic info to your nuvi when set up through the nuvi and your smartphone. Even then, parts of AZ have no cell service and therefore areas of AZ will not have Live Traffic available.

As you may guess, I live in AZ. My closest FM and HD traffic is well over 100 miles from home and my normal travel areas and therefore for me, FM and HD traffic offer me nothing. Around home and as long as I stay along major highways, I do have cell service and therefore I have Live Traffic which is really quite good even in semi-rural areas.

All in all, if FM, HD and Live Traffic are all available where you normally travel, FM is somewhat useful and both HD and Live Traffic are more useful. If you live in an area without either FM or HD traffic, you will not receive traffic data and very likely, Live Traffic will be your best (and only) choice.

Thanks for the info I was

Thanks for the info I was unable to attend CES this year so unable to see the new devices.

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NickJr Nuvi 3597LMT

Live traffic.

Like CraigW, my local driving area has no FM or HD traffic coverage. Because of that I don't even use the GTM-60 receiver on my 3697, preferring a much less bulky USB adapter and cable. If going on a road trip where I may drive through areas that have traffic coverage, I will pull out my bulky GTM-60 and plug it in.

There is Live Traffic coverage in my local driving area, so now that it is free I have started using it. It seems to use very little data on my Tracfone, so I will probably never use the GTM-60 again even when traveling.

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Alan - Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra

I like the look of Garmin

I like the look of Garmin DriveSmart™ 61 LMT-S but I think all Garmin GPS are a bit on the expensive side.

Release date

What is the release date for these new Garmin PNDs?

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Garmin Nuvi 3490lmt, 765t with Lifetime maps and Clear Channel traffic

Release date.

The low end Drive 51/61 are already shipping. The DriveSmart 51/61, DriveAssist 51 and DriveLuxe51 are estimated to ship sometime in late February.

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Alan - Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra

I have seen the Drive 51...

alandb wrote:

The low end Drive 51/61 are already shipping. The DriveSmart 51/61, DriveAssist 51 and DriveLuxe51 are estimated to ship sometime in late February.

...at Costco already. So they are out there.

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Drivessist 51

alandb wrote:

The low end Drive 51/61 are already shipping. The DriveSmart 51/61, DriveAssist 51 and DriveLuxe51 are estimated to ship sometime in late February.

DriveAssist 51 is what I'm waiting for.

Feb. 23?

theGPSstore.com is currently showing an expected date of Feb 23 for the DriveAssist and other models. Earlier they showed it as Feb 8, so it could certainly change again.

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Alan - Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra

Canada

Being in Canada, it will be awhile before we see them up here.

thanks for the info!

Thanks for the info!

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Same here

Same here

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NickJr Nuvi 3597LMT

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Good info

More 2017 series Garmins released today

All 2017 Garmin's have been released as of today.... except for the one I pre-ordered (the Drivesmart 61 LMT-S)

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Garmin Nuvi 3490lmt, 765t with Lifetime maps and Clear Channel traffic

New ways to get around. I

New ways to get around. I love it.

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Yeah!

rame1012 wrote:

All 2017 Garmin's have been released as of today.... except for the one I pre-ordered (the Drivesmart 61 LMT-S)

I noticed that theGPSstore.com has moved its estimated availability date for DriveSmart 61 back to March 3, B&H Photo has moved it back to March 13. Also, the RV 770 announced in 2017 is now estimated by theGPSstore for March 10.

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Alan - Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra

Garmin Hunt View For Minnesota

https://www.thegpsstore.com/Garmin-HuntView-Maps-Minnesota-P...

I have been waiting to get the Garmin Hunt View For Minnesota. It looks like they are in stock at The GPS Store. I will likely wait until it is at my local Cabelas, though. It is interesting that it doesn't list Garmin Nuvis, though, as being compatible devices.

Of course, it could just be that they actually ARE compatible with Garmin Nuvis, BUT They don't anticipate anybody wanting to use them with Garmin Nuvis. Or, perhaps they really aren't compatible. I would sort of think that a Garmin map is a map and if you insert it in the micro SD slot of a Garmin it should work. In any case, I should know soon enough, though.

Topo vs road map

Well, a topo map is different from a road map, so if it doesn't list a nuvi as compatible, my thinking is that it isn't. Why would Garmin limit the market if it is compatible? As an example, there are lots of maps that are available for handheld devices that won't work on a nuvi. Garmin sells Birdseye imagery for their handheld devices and those .jnx files definitely won't work on a nuvi.

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Alan - Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra

I like the introduction of

I like the introduction of built-in Wifi for s/w and map updates. That will mean no need to remove it from the car to attach to a PC (as long as within WiFi distance).

Thanks for the info.

Thanks for the info.

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Good info here!

Nice to know...

Good reading.

Drivesmart 61

rame1012 wrote:

All 2017 Garmin's have been released as of today.... except for the one I pre-ordered (the Drivesmart 61 LMT-S)

I notice that theGPSstore.com and ABT Electronics are showing the DriveSmart 61 LMT-S as in stock as of today (3/15/17). Maybe your wait is over, although Amazon and others are still showing it as pre-order.

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Alan - Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra

DrivrSmart 61 LMT-S

I noticed that as well. Unfortunately, I pre-ordered mine off of Amazon since I had an Amazon gift card. I find it odd that the unit isn't even showing up as available on Garmin's website either, but is showing as in stock for most third party sellers (except Amazon). I'll just have to wait and see.

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