Apple's refusal to allow backdoor access to its iPhones
Sun, 02/28/2016 - 11:18am
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What do you guys think of this?
I think some non-techies have not really paid much attention to electronic privacy rights in the past. But now Apple's recent stance has increased awareness.
No matter the outcome, I'm glad to see more discussion around this topic, especially in the larger population.
We'll see...
I haven't read any mention of McAfee anywhere. Citation, please.
Now may be the perfect time for Apple to bring out it's uncrackable encryption.
More to the point, if those idiot San Bernadino admins would have installed the admin SW that they were paying for, this would all be passe. For now.
But of course, that wasn't about this attempted massive over-reach by the spooks, was it?
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Apple continues to work on security
http://9to5mac.com/2016/03/23/cellebrite-fbi-iphone-hack/
windwalker is talking out of his behind. The only involvement McAfee has had is to tell the world two things. First, that if offered the opportunity he would use social engineering to crack the phone. Second, that Apple would not like the solution the FBI has come up with.
Apple still wins here, simply because they stood their ground and refused to cave to the demands of the government. But unlike what windwalker would have people believe, Apple and every other tech company out there know that there are exploits for their devices that have not yet been discovered that will allow the circumvention of encryption. Since these companies know there is no such thing as perfect security, their engineers will continue working to close the holes when they find them, or when they are reported.
That is what a good company does.
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I find it amusing that so many people make comments about privacy but still leave a trail a mile wide.
You enter your zip code most of the times you buy gas. You use your cell phone or pad and you leave a trail at each cell tower. You watch TV on cable or satellite and the shows being watched are recorded at the station. You use your computer and most businesses leave a cookie on your computer.
I would not be surprised to learn that some foreign country has opened the Apple security programs and are listening on you. It is called reverse engineering and has been around for years. In electronics what is developed can always be replicated by intelligent code writers.
By the way I do not own a cell phone so I have no worries.
Except...
I choose what trail I leave behind, what sites I visit, and what apps I install. If I want to browse obscurely, I'll use the TOR browser.
Remember that Windows XP NSA key file? Yea, I thought so...
Not too many truly live off the grid.
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TOR Browser Cons
TOR Browser Cons
Can't guarantee anonymity
Connections may take a while sometimes
Some websites will tell you that to access the site that they be allowed to put cookies on your computer.
.
Note that I said "obscurely", not anonymously. Yes, there is a difference...
However, if you want to see how much crap you have to allow to visit certain sites, TOR is a good browser to find out with. You'll see exactly how much you're tracked.
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This just gets better and better
Read an article earlier (sorry, didn't save the link) about this case, and some current law. There is a relatively new law, I believe it is called something like the Equities Act, that was designed to address security weaknesses and fix them. Particularly, if a vulnerability is found, the company must be notified so it can fix the vulnerability. All in the name of improved security and protection of privacy. What this means is that the FBI is compelled by law to tell Apple about the 'flaw' they exploited to get into the subject iPhone.
I believe this is why the FBI tried to play dumb to get Apple to access the data. What the FBI was doing made no sense whatsoever, and was actually embarrassing. Now Apple will know how the FBI did it and will be able to address the vulnerability, making the iPhone more secure.
Kinda funny how things work out.
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:D
That's hilarious, diesel! Good find.
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Ta-Dahhhhhh!!!!
Well, well, well....
The FBI unlocks the iPhone without Apple's help.
Breaking news, it should be all over the outlets by now. I'm seeing it on The Wall Street Journal.
And now the FBI MUST tell Apple how they did it. That is perhaps the best part of this.
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Glad Apple stood their
Glad Apple stood their ground. A bit skeptical of the government's un-named person who will help. Think it's a way to save face and make the case go away.
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Here's one story
http://news.yahoo.com/justice-department-cracks-iphone-withd...
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Not so sure.
In general, I agreed with Apples position in this controversy, but I am not so sure about how you see this latest develpoment (dropping the court case) as good news for Apple. According to CNN ...
The fact that the DOJ was able to successfully access the phone without Apple's help is bad news for the tech giant because it suggests Apple's encryption technology is not as advanced as once thought.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/28/news/companies/fbi-apple-iph...
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Wait a second...
In general, I agreed with Apples position in this controversy, but I am not so sure about how you see this latest develpoment (dropping the court case) as good news for Apple. According to CNN ...
The fact that the DOJ was able to successfully access the phone without Apple's help is bad news for the tech giant because it suggests Apple's encryption technology is not as advanced as once thought.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/28/news/companies/fbi-apple-iphone-case-cracked/index.html
When the FBI started this mess, they said they cannot access the phone and had considered all resources (Government) available to them. Hence, that is why they went the Court Order route to get Apple to do it for them.
Let's see how long it takes for this hack that the FBI used to become widespread.
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I hope it does
Cook wanted to play "Big Guy" and make marketing points to boost sales, now he's busted, hope Apples Stock takes a dump. They offered him all means to keep the program within Apple, he wanted to play big shot and hopefully loses Big!!!
Just goes to show you the
Just goes to show you the holes in Apple software. There are some talented hackers out there. Hopefully Apple will close these holes.
I thought I was right! (My
I thought I was right! (My last Post on this)
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Not Necessarily So
Just goes to show you the holes in Apple software. There are some talented hackers out there. Hopefully Apple will close these holes.
Maybe Apple provided the "third party". Maybe the phone was disassembled and the chips read. Maybe it didn't really happen at all.
In any case I agree with you that Apple continues to improve the security of their products.
What????
Cook wanted to play "Big Guy" and make marketing points to boost sales, now he's busted, hope Apples Stock takes a dump. They offered him all means to keep the program within Apple, he wanted to play big shot and hopefully loses Big!!!
I now feel much more secure with Apple products. The FBI stated that they, using the full resources of the United States of America, could not hack the subject iPhone. And an older iPhone at that, with security and encryption that is not as strong as what we have today. That the FBI used an outside source to hack the iPhone is very disturbing, given they made this to be a huge security issue. They should have kept this in-house.
Now that assumes the FBI and the full resources of the Government are indeed State of the Art and fully competent in such things such as hacking an iPhone.
And the FBI is now compelled by law to disclose how the iPhone was accessed in order to close that vulnerability. The thought that the United States Government would knowingly leave its citizens at risk due to this now known and identified vulnerability is unconscionable.
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Funny How Things Work Out
Just goes to show you the holes in Apple software. There are some talented hackers out there. Hopefully Apple will close these holes.
By law, the FBI is compelled to disclose this hack to Apple so Apple can address it.
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Cellebrite
He offered to crack it for the FBI and it looks like he might have done it!! Apple shoulda played ball, now they have no control of the decryption, lol!! Again it was SB's phone so hadji had no privacy rights!!!
The rumors were Israel’s Cellebrite was the security company helping FBI unlock San Bernardino iPhone. Cellebrite is a mobile forensics company based in Israel.
http://9to5mac.com/2016/03/23/cellebrite-fbi-iphone-hack/
FBI Committed $15,278 "action obligation" with Cellebrite
The revelation comes just two days after the DoJ suspended the proceedings at least until next month. The FBI told a federal judge Monday that it need some time to test a possible method for unlocking the shooter's iPhone for which they have hired an "outside party".
According to public records, the same day the Feds committed to a $15,278 "action obligation" – the lowest amount the government has agreed to pay – with Cellebrite.
Many details of the contract are not yet available, and neither the FBI nor Cellebrite has officially commented on their contract publicly.
http://thehackernews.com/2016/03/unlock-terrorist-iPhone.htm...
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Cellbrite's 'hack' is likely hardware oriented and involved cloning chip data by physically connecting to the chips... it's quite likely not something to be overly worried about for the average user, and the average hacker isn't going to have the resources to pull this off on a large scale let alone a one-off.
http://fedscoop.com/fbi-apple-hack-nand-mirroring-cellebrite...
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iphone
well the government has dropped charges against apple a third party helped them decipher the phone so all is well for a bit for now !
The "Third Party" was John McAfee
He warned Apple he would Pop their Balloon!
And if they did it the right way
They will not fall under disclosure rules as the "Third Party" did the hack.
Re McAfee
He warned Apple he would Pop their Balloon!
CellBrite. Not McAfee.
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Public Safety
And now that the FBI has exposed a vulnerability, doesn't it make sense that the FBI disclose this information to Apple, in the name of safety?
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That would be true if...
And now that the FBI has exposed a vulnerability, doesn't it make sense that the FBI disclose this information to Apple, in the name of safety?
"Common sense" we're not an oxymoron these days.
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After all the press induced chatter, it would be nice to know if any actionable information was on the phone.
Manage Your Expectations
After all the press induced chatter, it would be nice to know if any actionable information was on the phone.
After all this, do you expect the FBI to reveal that there was nothing useful on the phone?
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Remember OBL?
In the beginning they where tracking his Sat Phone till the "Press" thought we should know that info, guess what, he quit using a Sat Phone. We coulda had him years before and likely saved lives.
So yes, lets tell everybody what they found on the phone!
Good luck with that
...And the FBI is now compelled by law to disclose how the iPhone was accessed in order to close that vulnerability...
Yeah. Good luck with that.
Phil
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Third Party
They will not fall under disclosure rules as the "Third Party" did the hack.
So you can hire a hit man to take out your annoying neighbor, and you are clear of any wrongdoing?
The FBI secured the services and PAID for this hack. It is clear that the FBI did this charade, by NOT doing the hack themselves, to attempt to set a precedent and EVADE the law that requires the vulnerability to be disclosed to Apple to prevent Apple from remedying that vulnerability.
Forget the technicalities of the law that requires vulnerabilities to be disclosed... third party or otherwise... don't you think that the FBI, a US Government operation, would be compelled to disclose the vulnerability to protect the citizens?
It will be an egregious act of neglect and recklessness if the FBI does not reveal how the phone was accessed.
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My Guess...
Is that Apple & Cellbrite have some existing agreements/contracts that are not publicly disclosable that requires that Cellbrite disclose what they've done to Apple - but the FBI/DOJ is going to play the "National Security" card and stonewall until a court orders the FBI/DOJ to disclose and - they'll ignore the order.
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This is pretty funny...
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/unlocked-ipho...
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@diesel
That's pretty damn funny. Of course, we have our own humor here, just watching windwalker spew nonsense on the thread. But responding to him as we all have, even with the facts on our side, isn't going to do any good. He's trolling.
I'm not a fan of Apple products, but I am a fan of their stance. I'm also a fan of what is rumored to come next for a software upgrade. I don't know if you saw it, and unfortunately I can't find the link at this moment, but the rumor is that Apple will tie software updates to the iPhone passcode, effectively neutralizing the FBI "attack vector" (i.e. legal maneuvering) into the system.
EDIT: Found the link where I saw the rumor mentioned above. http://www.imore.com/future-ios-security
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You can be sure about better security
Strephon, you can be sure that it will be much more difficult to breach Apple products.
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lets look at it this way...
Lets say someone found a device the FBI owned... and it was encrypted... and some nice hack filed an FOIA to find out what's on the tape... and of course we all know how that would go... so the nice hack tinkers with with the device and figures out how to decrypt the data on it...
would that person be required to cough up what steps they took to decrypt the device???
Never argue with a pig. It makes you look foolish and it anoys the hell out of the pig!
No
Lets say someone found a device the FBI owned... and it was encrypted... and some nice hack filed an FOIA to find out what's on the tape... and of course we all know how that would go... so the nice hack tinkers with with the device and figures out how to decrypt the data on it...
would that person be required to cough up what steps they took to decrypt the device???
No. If it was a FBI device, and it was encrypted, the FBI would already know their decryption schema, and there would be nothing new to tell the FBI.
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this is a
non-issue now, what the FBI had wanted to do all along, is done.
It is a slap on the face of Apple, though.
Personally, don't you behave in such a manner that you assume you are being watched, 24/7, even in your own home? Meaning if you lost your phone, you got hauled into interrogation on your way to work, someone read all your emails and posted it online, that you have nothing to hide nor be embarrassed over?
Because imho if you don't conduct yourself that way, you are a bit naive in thinking it's ok to deviate.
Just dummying it down, look at all the 1080p and soon to be ultra 4k video that is available like it's nothing at all.
Translation Please
non-issue now, what the FBI had wanted to do all along, is done.
It is a slap on the face of Apple, though.
Personally, don't you behave in such a manner that you assume you are being watched, 24/7, even in your own home? Meaning if you lost your phone, you got hauled into interrogation on your way to work, someone read all your emails and posted it online, that you have nothing to hide nor be embarrassed over?
Because imho if you don't conduct yourself that way, you are a bit naive in thinking it's ok to deviate.
Just dummying it down, look at all the 1080p and soon to be ultra 4k video that is available like it's nothing at all.
What'd he say?
Behavior
Personally, don't you behave in such a manner that you assume you are being watched, 24/7, even in your own home? Meaning if you lost your phone, you got hauled into interrogation on your way to work, someone read all your emails and posted it online, that you have nothing to hide nor be embarrassed over?
Because imho if you don't conduct yourself that way, you are a bit naive in thinking it's ok to deviate.
What the FBI wanted was legal justification to neuter encryption, as they have gotten a taste of unfettered surveillance of the citizens and wanted it back at any cost.
I don't behave in a manner that assumes surveillance by the government. There's no point to doing so, because the government is corrupt and rotten to the core. Put bluntly, I simply don't care about this government, as it doesn't represent the interests of the governed but only itself.
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Wuh?
blah blah blah blah
What'd he say?
Yep, I agree with oldpal.
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How Apple could force the FBI to explain San Bernardino iPhone hack
https://bgr.com/2016/03/30/apple-fbi-iphone-hack/
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And of course, Congress will have to get involved
This is where we are heading:
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/congress-moving-ahead-on-encr...
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Everybody has been wondering about this...
Android security:
http://mashable.com/2016/03/30/fbi-android-crack-passcode/#x...
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An Interesting Summary
https://gma.yahoo.com/apple-iphone-hacking-4-burning-questio...
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John McAfee
Here's a good read:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevemorgan/2016/03/30/john-mcaf...
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FBI Assisting Police Departments with IPhone involved Cases
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/fbis-arkansas-iphone-case-s...
LA Times
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-arkansas-fbi-pho...
New York Times
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-arkansas-fbi-pho...