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"A man in New York who apparently had enough of red light cameras dolling out tickets to himself and fellow drivers was arrested this week after he posted videos instructing viewers on how to disable the cameras. Stephen Ruth filmed himself on a cellphone with a selfie stick using a painters pole to knock the cameras so that their lenses uselessly faced skyward."

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/26/man-disables-red-light-ca...

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a quick spritz

of cooking spray on the lens works great as well. It blurs the objects seen through the lens and is difficult to detect from casual observation.

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I love it when idiots film

I love it when idiots film themselves so the cops can catch them.

His defense will probably be "I come from a flawed gene pool".

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Better Than Destruction

At least those folks didn't permanently damage to units. I remember a time when folks would smash them with sledge hammers after covering the camera to prevent being detected.

Somehow the local jurisdictions have to support a fair system, not focused on revenue & not screwing folks who are driving reasonably.

Greed is the problem & therefore maybe a group of private citizens should make the decision on deciding whether drivers should be ticketed or not - Not the County or the operator of the cameras!

Fred

Crazy people in this world,

Crazy people in this world, that is for sure.

red light cams

maybe he learned how not to get caught. I know it is not legal to warn other drivers there is a cop down the road trying to make his quota for the month but if I don't see a second cop around why not warn them

Genius of the week award

Genius of the week award winner

wonder what happens

if you do that in Calif.? NY is easy on criminals.

Exiled to NY maybe?

Exiled to NY maybe?

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warning...

stan393 wrote:

I know it is not legal to warn other drivers there is a cop down the road trying to make his quota for the month but if I don't see a second cop around why not warn them

Hmmmm... I thought that smwent to the supreme court and said something like it was free speach to flash lights....

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warning...

stan393 wrote:

I know it is not legal to warn other drivers there is a cop down the road trying to make his quota for the month but if I don't see a second cop around why not warn them

Hmmmm... I thought that went to the supreme court and they said something like it was free speach to flash lights....

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Someone did, and the

Someone did, and the Supremes did affirm that flashing lights is free speech.

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Never interfere with revenue generation

They will come down harder on this guy because they lost a few bucks on unenforceable red light tickets than many real criminals. While I think this guy was dumb for posting it and being so easily caught I can't say my rebellious streak and dislike for big brother tactics makes me disagree that we should all be fighting these intrusions into our lives.

I remember

back in the 35mm days, someone in NYC (contractor) was stealing the Nikon cams inside the boxes as they were valuable.

My school taxes are due 8/31, that is blatant revenue generation. My kid is not even 2 y.o. and doesn't attend school, why should I pay. This doesn't mean I vandalize the school as an act of rebellion. We live in a society, and believe it or not, it does have rules. It's the internet that doesn't.

to much info

between the news papers and the internet my head hurts !
to much information and a lot of it is pure ka ka some funny some sad and the government and some of the stupid people running it don't help ? I'm gona put my tin hat back on now lol

what I keep asking

geo334 wrote:

between the news papers and the internet my head hurts !
to much information and a lot of it is pure ka ka some funny some sad and the government and some of the stupid people running it don't help ? I'm gona put my tin hat back on now lol

How many rlcs do you drive through a day, and how many tickets have you gotten in the last 5 years?

I drive through 6 per day, and have never gotten a ticket, in 5 years. I even have taken business trips to LA, SF, Chicago, DC, MD, and have never gotten a ticket.

4 y.o. kids can stay onside in soccer and ice hockey, adults cannot stop a car before the light changes to red? And you even get a grace so technically 0-1 car gets a free pass.

And yet this issue goes on and on. It reminds me of one where some people claimed even if your car was designed for 87 octane, you get better mileage with 93, or 91 in CA. When in fact, octane has nothing to do with mpgs, it's not what octane measures. This discussion goes off on a tangent like that, non sequitur is what they call it.

Sad that he was caught!

He has courage to fight city hall money generating machine.

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So Sad

People shouldn't do things like that.
We wouldn't need our Red light Camera section then.
But all is well.......he got caught

twisted

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Behavior Modification

johnnatash4 wrote:
geo334 wrote:

between the news papers and the internet my head hurts !
to much information and a lot of it is pure ka ka some funny some sad and the government and some of the stupid people running it don't help ? I'm gona put my tin hat back on now lol

How many rlcs do you drive through a day, and how many tickets have you gotten in the last 5 years?

I drive through 6 per day, and have never gotten a ticket, in 5 years. I even have taken business trips to LA, SF, Chicago, DC, MD, and have never gotten a ticket.

4 y.o. kids can stay onside in soccer and ice hockey, adults cannot stop a car before the light changes to red? And you even get a grace so technically 0-1 car gets a free pass.

And yet this issue goes on and on. It reminds me of one where some people claimed even if your car was designed for 87 octane, you get better mileage with 93, or 91 in CA. When in fact, octane has nothing to do with mpgs, it's not what octane measures. This discussion goes off on a tangent like that, non sequitur is what they call it.

It's not that they can't, it's because they WON'T. Im glad that you are able to control yourself. But it only takes a few that won't control themselves and behavior modification is required to change their behavior and attitude. Too bad that cities turn them into revenue sources. But you can stomp your feet and make all the declarations about how some others can do something and another group can't all you want. But until the folks that think that red lights and other laws don't pertain to them, then you will have problems at intersections. RLCs are one method of behavior modification.

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Not the right way to go about it....

The cameras should be banned, but I don't think this persons tactics will accomplish that. Maybe he could run for office and have better luck that way????

Driving NYC Not Recommended

It's always scary driving there, never knowing if you'll slip up and come home to a fine in the mail. Red light camera maps would be essential for anyone driving in town enough. Thank god my state has 0

Isn't this why God invented

paint ball guns? smile

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Slick

Personally, I'm a big fan of Crisco oil on the camera lens!

RED LIGHT Camera or Snot

RLC's if used properly, can be a tool to modify behaviour.... maybe... in some conditions..

In all cases RL tickets, either issued by a cop or a camera, have the same problem.

THE FINANCIAL PENALTIES AREN'T HIGH ENOUGH!

Make the fine say $1,000 USD and it's likely the two root causes of RL citations come to an observable halt, which has the real desired effect.... Behaviour Modification!

The two reasons for RL violations are likely excessive speed and distracted driving or is that better stated as just not paying close enough attention to the task at hand...DRIVING.

If the speed limit is 35 and the vehicle is doing 45 or more when the light turns yellow at the point where a vehicle traveling 35 is timed for a 35 mph stopping distance, you gets RL violation and the driver deserves it.

The other likely cause of RL violations appears to be the driver being distracted. Talking on a cell phone, putting on make up or shaving, eating / drinking, farting and the list goes on.

Of course, this doesn't begin to adress vehicles that aren't road worthy, good tires, brakes, snow / frost on wind screens and so on.

Now, even with all this, it's likely if certain intersections receive statistically higher than normal RL violations, it becomes equally likely the speed limit for the particular intersection is poorly designed.

Unfortunately, there are some roads, that have been studdied and determined to be the correct speed limits established and posted because of driveway density, pedestrian and entering exiting cross street traffic conditions. But people dont understand how the speed limits are set and they think they are to low so the driving population, by default set their own speed limits for those roads without understanding let alone recognizing all the other factors necessary to setting speed limits.

So in the end, if municipalities were really interested in stopping RL violations and the whole RLC discussion becomes little more than a red herring, the financial penalty must be set to an outrageous value so much so that it really hurts.

Oh, there are some places Where if you run a red light and are involved in some kind of traffic altrecation, the operator and maybe a company / corporation owning the vehicle can become embroiled into civil or criminal litigation or both.

Of course, in a criminal case, perhaps time being inducted as a a guest at a state operated prison for some number "N" years might be the proper corrective method to modify some people's behviour.

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I Love When Idiots Film

KenSny wrote:

I love it when idiots film themselves so the cops can catch them.

His defense will probably be "I come from a flawed gene pool".

Ditto. Although he certainly didn’t have the appearance of an idiot it was surely stupid to film himself.

P. B. G.*

TMK wrote:

*paint ball guns? smile

That was my first thought as well

At least he didn't use the 'burning tires' ploy.

how about

mbegly wrote:
KenSny wrote:

I love it when idiots film themselves so the cops can catch them.

His defense will probably be "I come from a flawed gene pool".

Ditto. Although he certainly didn’t have the appearance of an idiot it was surely stupid to film himself.

the guy who raced around nyc in his BMW Z4, not stopping etc. He also put it on youtube and that led PD to his apt...

Aluminum Foil Turban...

geo334 wrote:

I'm gona put my tin hat back on now

Either that, or wrap your head up in a aluminum foil turban. wink

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Call Me Crazy

Call me crazy!
but isn't the best way to beat a red light camera is just not to run any red lights!
Just Sayin...

exactly

The Pool God wrote:

Call me crazy!
but isn't the best way to beat a red light camera is just not to run any red lights!
Just Sayin...

It truly isn't hard. Just like you can beat security cams at Target by not shoplifting.

People insinuate that you get busted for something you didn't do by these rlcs, because the big govt. is grabbin' your money even though you're innocent. We have yet to see one single person post a video link of them getting a summons when they did not in fact run the light. Not one.

How, how, how, can a video, show you going through a red light, when you didn't?

And again, 4 y.o. kids stay onside in soccer and ice hockey, grown a** men and women sure as **** should be able to stop their vehicles.

Ban them

The Pool God wrote:

Call me crazy!
but isn't the best way to beat a red light camera is just not to run any red lights!
Just Sayin...

Just ban the cameras and let police officers handle any violations. The cameras need to go away....

Little stunts like this....

make it more costly to operate these tax collectors. Make it COST the city money and they will go away!

Was this guy really speeding?

johnnatash4 wrote:
The Pool God wrote:

Call me crazy!
but isn't the best way to beat a red light camera is just not to run any red lights!
Just Sayin...

It truly isn't hard. Just like you can beat security cams at Target by not shoplifting.

People insinuate that you get busted for something you didn't do by these rlcs, because the big govt. is grabbin' your money even though you're innocent. We have yet to see one single person post a video link of them getting a summons when they did not in fact run the light. Not one.

How, how, how, can a video, show you going through a red light, when you didn't?

And again, 4 y.o. kids stay onside in soccer and ice hockey, grown a** men and women sure as **** should be able to stop their vehicles.

While not a red light camera, here IS a video from a speed camera which ticketed someone who clearly wasn't speeding. Link to video clip: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/data/bal-speed-cameras-2014...
So much for the adage "if you don't speed/run red lights you won't be ticketed.
Mark

But

baumback wrote:

While not a red light camera, here IS a video from a speed camera which ticketed someone who clearly wasn't speeding. Link to video clip: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/data/bal-speed-cameras-2014...
So much for the adage "if you don't speed/run red lights you won't be ticketed.
Mark

If you followed the story you would know the city shut down all those cameras, fired the provider and did many other things about that situation. So, for all intents and purposes, that report is about as relevant to the ongoing debate as the breaking news the American Colonies are in a revolt against King George and the crown.

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yep

Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:

Someone did, and the Supremes did affirm that flashing lights is free speech.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/05/federal-judge-rul...

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lol

why would you post it anywhere?

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Logical Fallacies

Box Car wrote:

If you followed the story you would know the city shut down all those cameras, fired the provider and did many other things about that situation. So, for all intents and purposes, that report is about as relevant to the ongoing debate as the breaking news the American Colonies are in a revolt against King George and the crown.

johnnatash4's statement is a logical fallacy, specifically manipulating the content by presenting an unfalsifiable statement. In simple language, johnnatash4 said that "[w]e have yet to see one single person post a video link of them getting a summons when they did not in fact run the light" because it's a statement that cannot be proven false, because there is no way to check for whether it is false or not.

Baumbeck's link to the speed camera footage isn't relevant, because his statement ALSO espouses a logical fallacy. In an undistributed middle argument, one assumes that because two things share a property they are the same thing. Red light and speed cameras are not the same thing, though they are similar.

People really need to back up their statements with facts here, rather than relying on emotion.

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I personally don't hate RLCs

To me, they are a fine for the abusers. I don't run red lights, but have received a few tickets in the not too recent past due to running a few red lights. So, I was closer to the line than I thought. After reviewing the video, I saw I was guilty and paid the fine ($50 at first, then Nassau County chucked on an additional $30 surcharge). The last one I received was years ago. Behavior modified. Tickets are still being issued, but not to me. No skin off my back.

Also, the case of right-on-red false ticket issuance is BS. Stop at the line, wait a few seconds, then go. No ticket issued. If people would obey the laws as written and as the cameras are programmed for, the cameras would get zero offenders and would be scrapped.

My two cents (and a few $50 and $80 tickets)...

My biggest beef is the idiots that will not enter a RLC covered intersection to make a legal left hand turn on green because there is a RLC there...

Sigh

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non se·qui·tur

Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:
Box Car wrote:

If you followed the story you would know the city shut down all those cameras, fired the provider and did many other things about that situation. So, for all intents and purposes, that report is about as relevant to the ongoing debate as the breaking news the American Colonies are in a revolt against King George and the crown.

johnnatash4's statement is a logical fallacy, specifically manipulating the content by presenting an unfalsifiable statement. In simple language, johnnatash4 said that "[w]e have yet to see one single person post a video link of them getting a summons when they did not in fact run the light" because it's a statement that cannot be proven false, because there is no way to check for whether it is false or not.

Baumbeck's link to the speed camera footage isn't relevant, because his statement ALSO espouses a logical fallacy. In an undistributed middle argument, one assumes that because two things share a property they are the same thing. Red light and speed cameras are not the same thing, though they are similar.

People really need to back up their statements with facts here, rather than relying on emotion.

True, true, unrelated.

What are you talking about? lol

You remind me of a popular game show that my grandfather liked. You had to choose a prize between a door. Whenever the MC allowed you to change your mind, it was in your best interest to do so.

the extremists seem to exaggerate

on both sides.

My experience is that I continue to see people stopping at RLC intersections, even though the warning signs are gone. The hardware is still there but does not function.

I observed this behavior all along Route 1.

Again, I think this may be the best scenario and a win-win.

RLCs were in place, people who ran the light got fined appropriately. Nobody who did not run the light was fined.

Now, the cams are not operational. Those who oppose them can run the light without a fine. At the same time, the observed behavior is that the majority continue to now stop when the light is red. Nobody expects life to be perfect, so an occasional red light runner who is not fined is fine, granted that the majority stop.

As a matter of fact, that is already built into the RLC system, where there is a grace, and the first runner has a very good chance of not being fined anyway.

http://watchdog.org/224334/red-light-cameras-crash-data/

Florida repeals prohibition against flashing lights for warning

Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:

the Supremes did affirm that flashing lights is free speech.

Until this July the State of Florida had a law making it illegal to flash lights to warn of speed traps. That law has now been repealed.

Key with any attempt to resist a law

The key to any attempt to resist a law is tying the message to one which would be covered as free speech or another protected right.

Flashing lights is reasonably free speech.
Posting a video online, is also free speech.
Posting a video demonstrating criminal tampering which makes perfect evidence...come on, man.

instead

LeapFroggie wrote:
Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:

the Supremes did affirm that flashing lights is free speech.

Until this July the State of Florida had a law making it illegal to flash lights to warn of speed traps. That law has now been repealed.

why don't they address an issue where old men buy a used crown vic, and mount leds behind the grill, and then pull over unsuspecting motorists, usually female. imho that is a legitimate reason to prohibit the use of flashing lights.

What Else?

johnnatash4 wrote:
LeapFroggie wrote:
Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:

the Supremes did affirm that flashing lights is free speech.

Until this July the State of Florida had a law making it illegal to flash lights to warn of speed traps. That law has now been repealed.

why don't they address an issue where old men buy a used crown vic, and mount leds behind the grill, and then pull over unsuspecting motorists, usually female. imho that is a legitimate reason to prohibit the use of flashing lights.

They have, it's called Impersonating An Officer!" What new law would you like them to enact? Or would you rather just have them enforce what's already there?

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Defacing RLCs

He should have a least covered his face while filming the video. For being stupid and showing his face, he got his just reward.

oh and

phranc wrote:
johnnatash4 wrote:
LeapFroggie wrote:
Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:

the Supremes did affirm that flashing lights is free speech.

Until this July the State of Florida had a law making it illegal to flash lights to warn of speed traps. That law has now been repealed.

why don't they address an issue where old men buy a used crown vic, and mount leds behind the grill, and then pull over unsuspecting motorists, usually female. imho that is a legitimate reason to prohibit the use of flashing lights.

They have, it's called Impersonating An Officer!" What new law would you like them to enact? Or would you rather just have them enforce what's already there?

It's a felony.. Not a misdemeanor...

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not all 50 states have this law

phranc wrote:
johnnatash4 wrote:
LeapFroggie wrote:
Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:

the Supremes did affirm that flashing lights is free speech.

Until this July the State of Florida had a law making it illegal to flash lights to warn of speed traps. That law has now been repealed.

why don't they address an issue where old men buy a used crown vic, and mount leds behind the grill, and then pull over unsuspecting motorists, usually female. imho that is a legitimate reason to prohibit the use of flashing lights.

They have, it's called Impersonating An Officer!" What new law would you like them to enact? Or would you rather just have them enforce what's already there?

so should be done by Feds

prohibit the use of unmarked police cars to routinely stop or apprehend operators of motor vehicles

No RLC Here

The city council in my town decided quite some time ago that there would be no RLC here. Given the number of college students here I can imagine there would be quite a bit of an issue trying to enforce the tickets. I'm just glad there aren't any of the obnoxious things where I live. (I get enough of them when I travel for work.)

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Red Light Cameras

Don't blame anyone who wants to disable a RLC. If a local municipality wants to issue a ticket to someone for a violation of a ordinance, etc., let them do it with a policeman. Period. If someone takes issues with the idea of disabling RLC's, to bad. Once upon a time independent thinking folks in Boston decided to derail another creative revenue tactic... they had a tea party. There is no difference at all.

Now Now Now....

tbthomas wrote:

Don't blame anyone who wants to disable a RLC. If a local municipality wants to issue a ticket to someone for a violation of a ordinance, etc., let them do it with a policeman. Period. If someone takes issues with the idea of disabling RLC's, to bad. Once upon a time independent thinking folks in Boston decided to derail another creative revenue tactic... they had a tea party. There is no difference at all.

Surely your not advocating folks vandalize the RLC.

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@tbthomas

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