Garmin CIty Navigator NA 2016.10 has been released.

 

It has been reported over on the long running 2016.10 speculation/joke thread that City Navigator 2016.10 North America has been released and is available for download via Garmin Express or Garmin MapUpdater. It is time to close off discussion in that old thread and move the discussion of download experiences and map issues to this new thread.

I am downloading now on a clone of my 3597LMTHD using Express 4.1.4.0. I will report back when the update completes (or fails).

See also

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon
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Long Overdue!

Finally, it's over. And thank you. smile

Wouldn't it be nice...

Wouldn't it be nice if Garmin once again made the large JCV file available for the older units?

Phil

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Phil in Mentor, Ohio -- Garmin Nuvi 1450

NA 2016.10 with GE

Downloading to my 2555LMT clone as well as the desktop. Looking at around 2hrs for download and installation for the maps, updates and Basecamp.

Will let you know if anything strange happens .......

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If the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem quickly resembles a nail. (Maslow's Hammer)

Results of latest map download

GE told me it would take 2:27 for the 2689LMT Map Update.
I started it at 3:44PM EDST on new cable internet connection (Just moved from Chicagoland and Comcast to Mom & Pop Internet company in Mountains of NC.
Finished Map upgrade at 4:18PM. 34 Min. That's slightly better than the last upgrade I had with Comcast...

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

A little over 2 hours for

A little over 2 hours for download.No problems.

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Charlie. Nuvi 265 WT and Nuvi 2597 LMT. Android Here WeGo - Offline Maps & GPS.

running now. now time yet.

running now. now time yet.

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N.E. Ohio, Garmin 2598 TomTom One XL

2016.10 was released 127 days from last map update on March 24th

2016.10 was released 127 days from the last map update on March 24th by my count.

Installing maps now using Garmin Map Updater v3.3.4

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Politicians and Diapers must be changed often for the exact same reason...

Oh Boy

Here we go again.

GE started out telling me 3 hrs. 28 min. less than 5 minutes ago.

Now it say 2 hrs. 40 min. and still dropping fast. Only hitting speeds of 20 - 25 Mbps. Very up and down. Could be Garmin server or my service provider, as I have no way to tell.

Downloading with the "Both" option.

We shall see.

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Metricman Nuvi 660, GTM-20 Traffic Receiver Nuvi 3597 GTM-60 Traffic Receiver Williamsburg, VA

Won't be able to try 660 SD card

Alan, The Nuvi 660 is still in Illinois, and we won't be able to get at it (To try Map Update on SD card, for a month or more.. Jan

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

Sloooooow!

My download is going very slow ... been running over an hour and not half way yet! This is the slowest map download I have ever experienced. At this point I put the blame on my ISP (Mediacom) rather than Garmin.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Go figure

Garmin decided to release the update the same day Windows 10 is launched grin

It'll certainly keep a few around here busy through the weekend mrgreen

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Nüvi 255WT with nüMaps Lifetime North America born on 602117815 / Nüvi 3597LMTHD born on 805972514 / I love Friday’s except when I’m on holidays ~ canuk

75 minutes total (Download, Prepare & Install)

75 minutes total (Download, Prepare & Install) for my old Garmin 255 using Verizon FiOS at 75Mbps/75Mbps.

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Politicians and Diapers must be changed often for the exact same reason...

Right

canuk wrote:

Garmin decided to release the update the same day Windows 10 is launched grin

It'll certainly keep a few around here busy through the weekend mrgreen

Right about that.Just finished Windows 10 download then this came up for download.

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Charlie. Nuvi 265 WT and Nuvi 2597 LMT. Android Here WeGo - Offline Maps & GPS.

Miscalculated time.

alandb wrote:

Sloooooow! My download is going very slow ... been running over an hour and not half way yet! This is the slowest map download I have ever experienced. At this point I put the blame on my ISP (Mediacom) rather than Garmin.

Not as bad as I thought ... I forgot that Garmin Express estimates total time, not just download time, and my build and copy steps don't take anywhere near the time Express estimates. So my whole process (download, build, copy) took 1.5 hours.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

.

I'm averaging about 12mbps down. Glad I'm doing this at 2:45 instead of 5 pm or so when everyone is on.

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nüvi 3790T | nüvi 775T | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable ~ JFK

Slowed down

Either everybody is pounding the server now or more folks in my neighborhood are online since it's almost 6 PM here.

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Metricman Nuvi 660, GTM-20 Traffic Receiver Nuvi 3597 GTM-60 Traffic Receiver Williamsburg, VA

3597 LMTHD file summary.

Here is a summary of what was updated/replaced on the 3597. Note that file sizes are in bytes.

Directory 3597 \.System

25 gmap3d.unl
2,600 gmap3d.gma
2,600 gmapprom.gma
25 gmapprom.unl
2,463,236,096 gmapprom.img
236,523,520 gmap3d.img
623,591,424 gmapdem.img

Directory 3597 \.System\ASR

209,677,867 05DX0YRN.asr (replaces 05DMEN7N.asr)
444,065,587 05DX0YRL.asr (replaces 05DMEN7L.asr)
67,772,435 05DX0YRM.asr (replaces 05DMEN7M.asr)
351,928,326 05DX0YRO.asr (replaces 05DMEN7O.asr)
49,040,754 05DX0YRK.srx (replaces 05DMEN7K.srx)

Directory 3597 \.System\JCV

501,949,541 D3191170B.jcv (replaces D3191160A.jcv)

Directory 3597 \.System\SID

125,278,744 D3406160B.sid (replaces D3406150A.sid)
595,765,957 D2656190B.sid (replaces D2656180A.sid)
159,677,227 D3398160B.sid (replaces D3398150A.sid)
307,903,323 D3157170B.sid (replaces D3157160A.sid)

Directory 3597 \.System\SQLite

8,323,072 D3397160B.db (replaces D3397150A.db)

I was kind of surprised ot see that Express downloaded a new copy of gmapdem.img.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Provider

metricman wrote:

Here we go again.

GE started out telling me 3 hrs. 28 min. less than 5 minutes ago.

Now it say 2 hrs. 40 min. and still dropping fast. Only hitting speeds of 20 - 25 Mbps. Very up and down. Could be Garmin server or my service provider, as I have no way to tell.

Downloading with the "Both" option.

We shall see.

It's Prime Time on the East Coast. 4PM to 8PM. Probably your provider trying to balance traffic.

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Frank Nuvi 3597LMT 37.322760, -79.511267

Ummm!

Juggernaut wrote:

I'm averaging about 12mbps down. Glad I'm doing this at 2:45 instead of 5 pm or so when everyone is on.

It's 6:00 on the East Coast. Remember, "It's 5 o'clock, somewhere!"

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Frank Nuvi 3597LMT 37.322760, -79.511267

1 Hour and 1 minute

1 Hour and 1 minute to download and install to 3597 and the PC.

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Metricman Nuvi 660, GTM-20 Traffic Receiver Nuvi 3597 GTM-60 Traffic Receiver Williamsburg, VA

I got a new gmapdem.img

608,976kb

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Metricman Nuvi 660, GTM-20 Traffic Receiver Nuvi 3597 GTM-60 Traffic Receiver Williamsburg, VA

Done...

1/2 hour

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Bobby....Garmin 2450LM

Thanks Alan

For the detailed description, it certainly helps those of us who use your cloning method to know what to look out for smile

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Nüvi 255WT with nüMaps Lifetime North America born on 602117815 / Nüvi 3597LMTHD born on 805972514 / I love Friday’s except when I’m on holidays ~ canuk

Nuvi 755T and Full Screen Full Coverage JCV file.

I just updated a clone of my 755T and was happy to see that Garmin is still making the "large JCV" file for this unit. I have not copied this back to the real device yet, so don't know if it will all still fit in internal storage or if I will need to use the SD card for the JCV file. I will let you know when I put the update on the real device.

Here are the file details on the 755T. FIle sizes are in bytes.

Directory 755 \Garmin

25 gmap3d.unl
2,600 gmap3d.gma
236,523,520 gmap3d.img
25 gmapprom.unl
2,600 gmapprom.gma
2,463,236,096 gmapprom.img

Directory 755 \Garmin\JCV

854,604,102 D3060180B.jcv (replaces D3060170A.jcv)

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

CN North America NT 2016.10 ALL with GE 4.1.5.0

Updated GE to v 4.1.5.0 and then updated our 2455 and 2555 Nuvi's today.

2455 took 40 min start to finish with no problems
2555 took 25 min again with no problems

This included 3 updates - Maps, Time Zone and Traffic Text

Update done an older Windows 7 64-bit system with Intel B960 2.2 GHz processor and 4 GB memory.

Both units appear to be working great! Time for another trip to test them. Oh, that's right, we just got back from a 30-day trip to Alaska and the East Coast (NY,PA,NJ). Maybe it's time to stay home for a bit smile

Side note about "Large JCV".

Garmin changed the predicted naming convention so the JCV file ends in B instead of A. So those of you that are checking the predicted URL for a separate download of the JCV file, be sure to include this change in your URL construction: http://download.garmin.com/support/2016_10/NA/JV/D3060180B.j...

Unfortunately, the link is dead, even with the new name. (C'mon Garmin, give your loyal 8x5 and 14xx users the large JCV file!)

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Alan

Why don't you upload it to a Google Drive account, and share that folder?

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nüvi 3790T | nüvi 775T | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable ~ JFK

Not for another week for me

Didn't pack a mini-USB cord for my current trip. I'm going to have to wait till I'm home a week from tomorrow.

And I'll need it, too, as my route the following day has a new traffic pattern.

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nüvi 750 & 760

Already been tried.

Juggernaut wrote:

Why don't you upload it to a Google Drive account, and share that folder?

I don't use Google Drive. Another POI Factory member tried this a while back with DropBox and it generated too much traffic and caused the account to be locked.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Every thing setup

for a trip this weekend. I think I will wait until I return home for the download. For me it is a case of 'if it can go wrong,, it will.' And I need it this weekend.

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nuvi 1390 LT, nuvi 1450 LMT, Vista, Win 10

Our long national nightmare

Our long national nightmare is over!

Download new map

I have Brighthouse high speed wireless modem and it took me about 35 min to download. No problems

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Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things!

nuvi 855 update summary.

I have completed the 2016.10 map update on a clone of my nuvi 855. As expected, I got a small "crippled" JCV file even though there was plenty of space on the clone to hold the full coverage JCV. Of course I will copy the full coverage JCV file from my 755T over to the 855 so I can have full function.

I was able to install the full NA map and the full coverage (large) JCV file to the internal memory of the 855 with about 133 MB free space left. I did move the ASR and SRX voice recognition files to the SD card to make space for the large JCV file.

Here is a summary of the 2016.10 files on the 855. File sizes are in bytes.

Directory 855 \Garmin

25 gmapprom.unl
2,600 gmapprom.gma
2,463,236,096 gmapprom.img

Directory 855 \Garmin\JCV

26,162,326 D3153180B.jcv (replaces D3153170A.jcv)

Directory 855 \Garmin\Asr

801,391,134 05DX0YKH.ASR (replaces 05DMEN0H.ASR)
2,759,867 05DX0YKG.SRX (replaces 05DMEN0G.SRX)

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

How about that. They

How about that. They released it a week earlier than they said they would. Go figure. And here I was worried it might go even later than the date he gave me. Well, it's now the middle of the night as I post this, so I shall download and install the update to my 2597 now since things shouldn't be too busy. I'll be up a while yet anyway. I'll report back how things went.

Good to know. I will

Good to know. I will download soon.

Garmin Map Updater & Digital Elevation Maps

It would be interesting to know if the new DEM file was downloaded for those who used Map Updater rolleyes

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Nüvi 255WT with nüMaps Lifetime North America born on 602117815 / Nüvi 3597LMTHD born on 805972514 / I love Friday’s except when I’m on holidays ~ canuk

Download speed varied

Alan, During my download the speed vacillated... It would go fast in spurts, then seem to pause, then pickup, then slow down.
Of course it still was one of the fastest download I recall... but the speed did change multiple times during the download...

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

Great News

Thanks for the info.

Just finished the installation. It took 20 minutes.

Now I'm ready for the road trip that starts on Monday.

Installed the new maps on my

Installed the new maps on my Nuvicam last night. It installed couple of other files along with maps. I think it took over one hour to finish the install. I will upgrade my rest of the units tonight..
I found the map display (Zoom level etc.) is better now on Nuvicam. No issues to download or install.

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Iphone XR, Drivesmart 61,Nuvicam, Nuvi3597

finally

got it downloading now - should take ~30 min

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___________________ Garmin 2455, 855, Oregon 550t

arrggg

updated to win 10 on the 29th, then did a reset to get a clean install and I check on garmin and update ge and find new maps to install so far so good maps installed and all seems well, the learning curve for win 10 well that's another story lol

I used

canuk wrote:

It would be interesting to know if the new DEM file was downloaded for those who used Map Updater rolleyes

I used MapUpdater 3.3.4 to update my 3597, using alanb's clone method. The update, using MapUpdater, didn't provide a DEM file at all, as far as I can see.

I have the very large 1.14Gb DEM file stored in the .system folder on my 3597 from a previous update (or maybe even from another of my Nuvi's, I don't remember) and it remains there, with the same modification date, as it had prior to the 2016.10 update.

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Nuvi 350, 760, 1695LM, 3790LMT, 2460LMT, 3597LMTHD, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, DriveSmart 61, Garmin Backup Camera 40 and TomTom XXL540s.

New Map

Great.

I read that Garmin will only release THREE map updates a year now instead of 4, claiming that is what us owners wanted.

Ya... right.....

Me Too!

canuk wrote:

It would be interesting to know if the new DEM file was downloaded for those who used Map Updater rolleyes

I too am a holdout for not installing GE and was wondering how mapupdater worked for you on this release.

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ChefDon

WILL WAIT

A few more days before I update.

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3790LMT; 2595LMT; 3590LMT, 60LMTHD

Mapupdater and gmapdem.img

t923347 wrote:

I used MapUpdater 3.3.4 to update my 3597, using alanb's clone method. The update, using MapUpdater, didn't provide a DEM file at all, as far as I can see.

I have the very large 1.14Gb DEM file stored in the .system folder on my 3597 from a previous update (or maybe even from another of my Nuvi's, I don't remember) and it remains there, with the same modification date, as it had prior to the 2016.10 update.

Did MapUpdater remove the gmapdem file during the map update as it has in the past? As far as the new gmapdem.img file that was downloaded by Garmin Express with the 2016.10 update, it is identical to the previous file. So I don't know why Garmin Express wasted the download time and bandwidth to give us a fresh copy.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Here today gone tomorrow

alandb wrote:
t923347 wrote:

I used MapUpdater 3.3.4 to update my 3597, using alanb's clone method. The update, using MapUpdater, didn't provide a DEM file at all, as far as I can see.

I have the very large 1.14Gb DEM file stored in the .system folder on my 3597 from a previous update (or maybe even from another of my Nuvi's, I don't remember) and it remains there, with the same modification date, as it had prior to the 2016.10 update.

Did MapUpdater remove the gmapdem file during the map update as it has in the past? As far as the new gmapdem.img file that was downloaded by Garmin Express with the 2016.10 update, it is identical to the previous file. So I don't know why Garmin Express wasted the download time and bandwidth to give us a fresh copy.

MapUpdater 3.3.4 removed my gmapdem file when I used it to update my 3597.
Mark

Later today--

I'll do it after I finish running errands this morning.

thanks for the warning!

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Nuvi 2460, 680, DATUM Tymserve 2100, Trimble Thunderbolt, Ham radio, Macintosh, Linux, Windows

I keep

alandb wrote:

Did MapUpdater remove the gmapdem file during the map update as it has in the past? As far as the new gmapdem.img file that was downloaded by Garmin Express with the 2016.10 update, it is identical to the previous file. So I don't know why Garmin Express wasted the download time and bandwidth to give us a fresh copy.

I keep the gmapdem.img file on the Nuvi and the map files on the SD card. The map update using MapUpdater 3.3.4 left the old (very large) DEM file on the Nuvi and as far as I can see didn't install one in the .system folder of the SD card at all.

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Nuvi 350, 760, 1695LM, 3790LMT, 2460LMT, 3597LMTHD, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, DriveSmart 61, Garmin Backup Camera 40 and TomTom XXL540s.

Thanks for the updates

Thanks for the updates everyone, got a busy weekend, will probably take a stab at downloading for my 3 Garmins sometime next week.

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