Another Garmin Goof

 

I created routes on my 2597. When navigating the routes I find there is no lane guidance in the upper left hand corner of the screen, only the turn indicator. This is a real bummer. There is lane guidance on a simple go to, but none on created routes.

How Are You Creating the Routes?

Are you using something like Trip Planner, in Basecamp, to create and download routes, or are you creating the routes from within the GPS, using Trip Planner?

Knowing this will help anyone that can offer some guidance on the matter.

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DriveSmart 65, NUVI2555LMT, (NUVI350 is Now Retired)

On the unit.

GPSgeek wrote:

Are you using something like Trip Planner, in Basecamp, to create and download routes, or are you creating the routes from within the GPS, using Trip Planner?

Knowing this will help anyone that can offer some guidance on the matter.

As I said, on the unit. Don't know any way other than Trip Planner. I have created routes in the past with a 1490 and did not have this problem. I won't be using this method in the future.

just

jjen wrote:

I created routes on my 2597. When navigating the routes I find there is no lane guidance in the upper left hand corner of the screen, only the turn indicator. This is a real bummer. There is lane guidance on a simple go to, but none on created routes.

out of curiosity did you do a map update between times you used it?

I'm confused

I'm confused by your statement of "no lane guidance, only turn indicator" in the upper left corner. From Garmin's site and pictures of the 2597 it shows the direction of the next turn you will make when following the route. The only time it would show something other than a left or right arrow would be if you were to exit one road for another. You would get lane guidance (multiple arrows) when the roadway split and you needed to keep to the left or right.

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First time used on the road.

blake7mstr wrote:
jjen wrote:

I created routes on my 2597. When navigating the routes I find there is no lane guidance in the upper left hand corner of the screen, only the turn indicator. This is a real bummer. There is lane guidance on a simple go to, but none on created routes.

out of curiosity did you do a map update between times you used it?

The maps have been updated twice on the unit, but this was the first time a route was used. I have used these routes in the past to force a path. They work even different when checking the route at each turn.

I suspect

jjen wrote:
blake7mstr wrote:
jjen wrote:

I created routes on my 2597. When navigating the routes I find there is no lane guidance in the upper left hand corner of the screen, only the turn indicator. This is a real bummer. There is lane guidance on a simple go to, but none on created routes.

out of curiosity did you do a map update between times you used it?

The maps have been updated twice on the unit, but this was the first time a route was used. I have used these routes in the past to force a path. They work even different when checking the route at each turn.

they remove the lane assist/guidance for those intersections from the maps, I had a similar occurrence a while back.

Thats what I am saying

Box Car wrote:

I'm confused by your statement of "no lane guidance, only turn indicator" in the upper left corner. From Garmin's site and pictures of the 2597 it shows the direction of the next turn you will make when following the route. The only time it would show something other than a left or right arrow would be if you were to exit one road for another. You would get lane guidance (multiple arrows) when the roadway split and you needed to keep to the left or right.

As you approach a turn you should get lane guidance in the upper left corner of the screen, but nothing ever appears but the turn arrow when I create routes on the unit. When you are close to turn you get the split screen. When using these planned routes the right side of the screen has what appears to be lanes, but are not photo realistic.

I'm still confused

jjen wrote:

As you approach a turn you should get lane guidance in the upper left corner of the screen, but nothing ever appears but the turn arrow when I create routes on the unit. When you are close to turn you get the split screen. When using these planned routes the right side of the screen has what appears to be lanes, but are not photo realistic.

I'm still confused over your expectations on lane guidance. About the only time multiple arrows show is when the roadway splits. But then it doesn't tell you necessarily which lane to be in, just there are multiple lanes. All the pictures of lane guidance I've seen show a rendering of the intersection with a magenta line indicating the proper lane.

My 5 year old unit shows if you are coming off the Interstate and there are two or more exit lanes, then you would get a depiction showing the road going straight and the number of exit lanes but if it's a single left or right marked turn lane then you don't get multiple arrows. A lot of roads have a permissive turn lane where the driver can either go straight or turn but those don't show as anything other than the single turn arrow.

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Forced recalc.

Try doing a forced recalc on one of your saved routes and see if that changes anything. Recalc should be one of the items on the trip menu. I have seen some wierd routing behavior on a saved route after a map update until the route is recalclated.

Also, realize with Trip Planner, if you set a via point exactly at an intersection, you will not get turn prompting and may not get lane assist when you approach that intersection. That is because Trip Planner considers the via point to be a destination for that segment of the trip and the next segment is treated as an independent route. It is best to put the via points on the road a few hundred feet past the intersection.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

This is what I am saying

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/jajen/86052.jpg
This an intersection on a created route.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/jajen/39718.jpg
This is the same intersection on a go to.

Something not right.

Thanks for the images. That definitely does not seem right. I would report it to Garmin support and see what they say.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Forced recalulation

alandb wrote:

Try doing a forced recalc on one of your saved routes and see if that changes anything. Recalc should be one of the items on the trip menu. I have seen some wierd routing behavior on a saved route after a map update until the route is recalclated.

Also, realize with Trip Planner, if you set a via point exactly at an intersection, you will not get turn prompting and may not get lane assist when you approach that intersection. That is because Trip Planner considers the via point to be a destination for that segment of the trip and the next segment is treated as an independent route. It is best to put the via points on the road a few hundred feet past the intersection.

Switched between Fastest routing and Shortest and back to Fastest to get a recalculation. Didn't help.

the maps

jjen wrote:
alandb wrote:

Try doing a forced recalc on one of your saved routes and see if that changes anything. Recalc should be one of the items on the trip menu. I have seen some wierd routing behavior on a saved route after a map update until the route is recalclated.

Also, realize with Trip Planner, if you set a via point exactly at an intersection, you will not get turn prompting and may not get lane assist when you approach that intersection. That is because Trip Planner considers the via point to be a destination for that segment of the trip and the next segment is treated as an independent route. It is best to put the via points on the road a few hundred feet past the intersection.

changed, the lane assist/guidance is gone for that intersection, next time Garmin does a map release it might come back. the ones that disappeared here in Salt Lake are still gone and that was several map releases ago.

Switched between Fastest routing and Shortest and back to Fastest to get a recalculation. Didn't help.

yea, now...

jjen wrote:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/jajen/86052.jpg
This an intersection on a created route.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/jajen/39718.jpg
This is the same intersection on a go to.

Ok, now I see what you are talking about, thanks-

--Yep, that's pretty weird alright!

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~Jim~ Nuvi-660, & Nuvi-680

no difference noticed

jjen wrote:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/jajen/86052.jpg
This an intersection on a created route.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/jajen/39718.jpg
This is the same intersection on a go to.

First, I rarely use Trip Planer.

Did a test route with two stops created with Trip Planner and compared it to the simple "go-to" destination. I did not see the difference in Lane Assistance between the two. Both of them show Lane Assistance with the suggested lanes to use at the same intersections.

I would assume the routing algorithm for the 3597 and 2597 are the same, maybe not then.

I have observed on the 3597, however, that some of Freeway exits with junctions views and the intersections with lane assistance no longer have them, while they exit in previous models such as the 2595 that I have. They are supplanted by the new "Active Lane Guidance". I found that I actually like it. To me, it makes negotiating complex exits and junctions actually more intuitive and easier.

http://support.garmin.com/support/searchSupport/case.faces?caseId={c6959020-1706-11e3-f27b-000000000000}

I have also observed that once in a while I would lose Bluetooth connection to the phone or the Active Lance Guidance altogether. I do not remember if I lose the standard lane guidance too at the same time. Garmin has implemented the sleep mode since the 2012 models. A simple full power cycle, the long-press the power switch thing, seems to have always restored the bluetooth and active lane guidance for me.

Saw this one time on my 2595

Back some time ago, I saw this very same thing on my 2595 after a firmware upgrade. For a time only one arrow showed even on a four-lane highway. It was subsequently corrected on a later FW release. I'll have to check but I also think that view on mine actually changes from a single direction arrow to the multiple arrows as you get closer to the exit.

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Williston>> I also think

Williston>> I also think that view on mine actually changes from a single direction arrow to the multiple arrows as you get closer to the exit.

Just noticed on my recent trip to the Florida Keys that this is the way my 2460 is operating.

Far from the turn, there is just a single lane indicator of the direction I have to turn ... as I approach, the view switches to multiple lanes, with specific lane indicators.

I thought something was wrong, but after a while, just decided that this is the way the newest maps and firmware were handling the lane assist.

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Garmin 205, 260W, 1450LMT, 2460LMT, HEREwego for iPhone ... all still mapping strong.

same here with cbwatts and williston

cbwatts wrote:

Williston>> I also think that view on mine actually changes from a single direction arrow to the multiple arrows as you get closer to the exit.

Same here on both the 2495 and 3597.

Lane assist and junction view.

I have a 2595, a couple of years old, and a 3597, new. The operation of these two items has been changed between the two units. On the 2595 the lane assist multiple arrows would show up 0.7 to 1.0 miles ahead of the turn, the junction view about 0.2. On the 3597 the lane assist now shows up at about 0.2 miles ahead but he "new" junction view at almost a mile. My wife could watch the lane assist and give me plenty of warning, not so on the 3597 and to make matters worse she normally wears polarized sunglasses so cannot read the screen!. This is sure taking some getting used to.
BTW, the spoken lane guidance should be very good but gets lost when you have chatterbox teenagers in the car!!
Doug