Garmin going away from NAVTEQ and back to INRIX for traffic?

 

Just the other day, in the UK, Garmin started the switch BACK to using INRIX as its traffic supplier (Source: http://www.inrixtraffic.com/blog/2012/garmin-with-live-inrix...). The article contains this interesting quote: "The UK will be the first market where Garmin will introduce the new technology."

NAVTEQ operates in the UK so it isn't as if they went to INRIX because they had no choice. They deliberately chosen INRIX over NAVTEQ because "it wasn't subscription-based" and offered flow information accurate to within 2 mph.

Maybe Garmin will be switching away from NAVTEQ and start to use INRIX (the service they used back in 2008) here in North America.

Mind you, the UK doesn't seem to have 3D radio so maybe this was just the best option for the time being.

Interesting. That might be

Interesting. That might be a good thing. The Navteq traffic is only in major metropolitan areas and not a lot of coverage outside of the city. Sure wish they could be like Google which has coverage all over the place. The traffic in my opinion is overated in some ways since it only covers the city. What's worse is that if you have Traffic as an avoidance turned on, Garmin redirects you from the interstate to a back road which is often even worse but the Nuvi thinks it's clear because it does not have traffic coverage on surface streets. But that's another story.

INRIX will Help Solve Garmin's Traffic Coverage Problems

The good news with this switch is that INRIX covers the arterials and city streets like Google giving Garmin twice the amount of road coverage compared to their NAVTEQ service.

The result should be better routes to Garmin users of the new service as it will be able to factor in traffic conditions for all roads not just the A roads or M roads in the U.K. or the highways and interstates as Garmin looks to expand use of INRIX across its solutions going forward.

The other good thing about INRIX is it updates traffic information every minute ensuring Garmin's routing engine has the most current info. to use in creating routes or rerouting customers around the jams when possible.

INRIX

I have never heard of that company, but they sure as heck can't do any worse in the traffic reporting department.

Garmin's switch to INRIX traffic

I'm so glad to hear that Garmin is beginning the process of switching from Navteq Traffic to INRIX. INRIX offers much better service for a lot more locations and roads. Although it might take a while before Garmin introduces INRIX a provider for traffic for the US (notice the article states that Garmin is releasing units using INRIX traffic for the UK only for now), and it would only be available for units using the Live 3D traffic feature (because it uses cellular data, not FM traffic signals), it's a good start towards improving the traffic re-routing features on our Garmins.

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Only just changed to NAVTEQ this year

Only just changed to NAVTEQ this year, next year we'll probably change again, we normally follow what happens over seas, sometimes it takes awhile, interesting

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Whatever it is, I'm in favor

Whatever it is, I'm in favor of ANY change. traffic information here in most locations in the US,is usless and they should be embarrassed and ashamed to even give it away.

Not only useless

gerrydrake wrote:

...traffic information here in most locations in the US,is usless and they should be embarrassed and ashamed to even give it away.

but non-existant in many, many areas. Just because you're not in LA or Houston doesn't mean you don't have traffic tie-ups.

Another thing that bugs me about Garmin's so-called implementation of traffic is the Traffic Trends feature on many of the newer Nuvi's. While this is not a "live" traffic reporting system, I had hopes that it would at least be useful for providing accurate time-of-day / day-of-week patterns for adjusting routing. But it seems the nuvi's that have this feature don't have the processing power to use it, so most users just turn it off. And has Garmin EVER updated the Traffic Trends data since introducing the feature? I don't hear anyone mention it when they get a map update or run Web Updater or myDashboard.

This is one area where TomTom with their IQ routes really seems to have the upper hand over Garmin.

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inrix for traffic

when and if they get this I wonder if we will
be able to use the auto power cord with the
built in navtech antenna?

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Digital is the key word

The press release states "Digital Audio Broadcast" radio (See Wikipedia). This service is NOT available in the U.S.

I'm assuming that the service would have to be supplied here on HD radio. This means that our current receivers built into the power cord will not work. The current receivers (and any built into the unit) are dedicated to FM radio frequencies only.

A better service would be nice, but we would have to "Upgrade" to get the advanced service.

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HD radio frequencies

metricman wrote:

The press release states "Digital Audio Broadcast" radio (See Wikipedia). This service is NOT available in the U.S.

I'm assuming that the service would have to be supplied here on HD radio. This means that our current receivers built into the power cord will not work. The current receivers (and any built into the unit) are dedicated to FM radio frequencies only.

The HD radio broadcasts are in the same frequencies as standard FM. Only the type of emission is different and they are broadcast as subchannels on the normal FM carrier. So yes, the receivers would receive the broadcast but they couldn't decode them because of the different signaling.

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UPDATE: INRIX is far better

UPDATE:

INRIX is far better of a traffic provider than NavteQ and Google! By the end of this year new Garmins will come Diesel Garmins and they will have free INRIX data!

They get their data from many sources including other users that have the INRIX app in the iPhone and Android market.

If you have an Android phone give it a try and you will see how good it is when switching from Google maps to INRIX.

Yep...

cool
Been using it for awhile now, yes it's better!
Download it's app to your phone And see for yourself.

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I have the Intrix

I have the Intrix app on my iPhone and it works good for traffic.

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Yea, one of the new Diesel

Yea, one of the new Diesel Garmin's with INRIX is a 7in model, and I'll bet it's a budget buster. I'm getting one, but only if they finally start to use better innards.The processors in these things seem to be from the 80's!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP4XP9c7eqo&feature=relmfu

Interesting commercial for dzel 760...

In addition to Inrix traffic, looks like Garmin is finally incorporating active lane assist (it's like a live, fluid "Bird's Eye Junction View"). Hopefully this feature will be passed on down to the Nuvi series in the future, that would be great to see.

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Garmin Nuvi 3490lmt, 765t with Lifetime maps and Clear Channel traffic

Is that where the lane

Is that where the lane assist is on the left of the map portion. If so, I'm thinking it will be way better than we have now. A demo is was in one of the blogs.

No,

VicMatson wrote:

Is that where the lane assist is on the left of the map portion. If so, I'm thinking it will be way better than we have now. A demo is was in one of the blogs.

I think you're talking about regular lane assist. Active lane assist is where you get a live model as you travel down an interstate or major highway. It changes as the number of lanes change. It appears on the right side of the screen just like junction view and it actually appears right before junction view. It's displayed on the dzel commetcial.

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Garmin Nuvi 3490lmt, 765t with Lifetime maps and Clear Channel traffic

Any idea how this will effect...

my "Lifetime" trafic?

I can't believe it will be good.

Garmin traffic in my opinion

Garmin traffic in my opinion has never been very helpful. Maybe it will get better with INRIX, guess we will wait and see.

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I've never relied on Garmin's traffic to steer me away from it. Here in SoCal, incidents happen so fast that by the time you receive the incident alert, you're likely already in the mess. Either that or the data is old and is telling you there's an incident when in reality, it has already cleared. I only use it as an informative tool along with using common sense.

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I think you're right, it was

I think you're right, it was Active lane assist. From what I saw it looks like it takes some of the ambiguity out of the regular lane assist

getting off at rt 41

DorkusNimrod wrote:

I've never relied on Garmin's traffic to steer me away from it. Here in SoCal, incidents happen so fast that by the time you receive the incident alert, you're likely already in the mess. Either that or the data is old and is telling you there's an incident when in reality, it has already cleared. I only use it as an informative tool along with using common sense.

Let me give you an example. I was going north on 95 from Baltimore to Philly, there was nothing on my Garmin, so I hit up the INRIX app and it clearly and accurately showed me where and what was causing so much grief. Had my Garmin had INRIX I would of easily driven around it by getting off at rt 41.But Google showed nothing either.

Three people died and Garmin slept!

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Evidently, so did Google... rolleyes

Hopefully, INRIX will be better, and with user input like the phone app.

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Might also give some

Might also give some customers a reason to replace their unit.

Any (official) news...

from Garmin USA on this?

are they going to continue to support NAVTEQ traffic??

I have five receivers with "LifeTime Traffic". The current system seems to work pretty well around Denver. Is the current system going to suddenly go dead some time soon with the change in what they will have now????

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Change....

...that word, now, makes me wonder.

No news is not always good news???

DFSNapa wrote:

my "Lifetime" trafic?

I can't believe it will be good.

Has anybody heard anything new?

Not particularly good news

Not particularly good news for those with lifetime map updates.

in what way?

gatorj wrote:

Not particularly good news for those with lifetime map updates.

INRIX provides traffic data, not maps so how would it affect your lifetime map updates?

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new Garmin for INRIX

Box Car wrote:
gatorj wrote:

Not particularly good news for those with lifetime map updates.

INRIX provides traffic data, not maps so how would it affect your lifetime map updates?

It will, because you'll have to buy a new Garmin for INRIX traffic.

I think.

I'm confused

VicMatson wrote:
Box Car wrote:
gatorj wrote:

Not particularly good news for those with lifetime map updates.

INRIX provides traffic data, not maps so how would it affect your lifetime map updates?

It will, because you'll have to buy a new Garmin for INRIX traffic.

I think.

I'm confused as to how you think the two are linked. Traffic come in from a radio station to the traffic receiver built into the power cord. The other link is through a cell phone on certain models. What may be required is a different power cable or an update to those units using a cell phone link to access different addresses or web portal. There is the possibility of a third traffic network (NavTeq, Clear Channel and INRIX) which could require a software change to the unit to decode their data stream but I don't see where you would necessarily have to buy a new unit. The liability to Garmin for not being able to update the units would be great as you know there would be class action lawsuits filed for every different model receiving traffic.

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Not particularly good news

gatorj wrote:

Not particularly good news for those with lifetime map updates.

Mine has worked ok.... I say that because it has warned me of traffic down the road that I was able to avoid. The flip side was that this was traffic WAY ahead of me and it worked. As long as I pay attention to ALL options. For a recent (less than 20 min lead time) jam it's not so great maybe 80/20. Maybe it's just me but it seems to update only once every 10 min.

So until there is a better solution for me (A better garmin ?) It's down to common sense, listening to the radio and driving the right way for now.

Allan

I don't think so

a_user wrote:

I'm confused as to how you think the two are linked. Traffic come in from a radio station to the traffic receiver built into the power cord. The other link is through a cell phone on certain models. What may be required is a different power cable or an update to those units using a cell phone link to access different addresses or web portal. There is the possibility of a third traffic network (NavTeq, Clear Channel and INRIX) which could require a software change to the unit to decode their data stream but I don't see where you would necessarily have to buy a new unit. The liability to Garmin for not being able to update the units would be great as you know there would be class action lawsuits filed for every different model receiving traffic.

There'd be no liability. Garmin has always allowed for the possibility of obsolesence in their user agreements.

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Not to mention...

a_user wrote:

There'd be no liability. Garmin has always allowed for the possibility of obsolesence in their user agreements.

their hardware too!

I think this will be a great test case on how "user facing" Garmin truely is.

INRIX in World’s Largest Traffic Data Program

Six States and the District of Columbia Expand Collaboration with INRIX for World’s Largest Traffic Data Program
http://www.inrix.com/pressrelease.asp?ID=176
Category >Breaking News: October 17, 2012 (I95CC)

Nearly one year after the I-95 Corridor Coalition, the University of Maryland and INRIX announced a 3-year expansion of the landmark Vehicle Probe Project (VPP), the Coalition and its partners are expanding their collaboration once again. Through a Federal Highway Administration Awards Grant, the Coalition will use INRIX traffic information to expand coverage to over 40,000 miles of roads across 14 states – the largest traffic service in the world.

First operational in 2008, with 1,500 miles of coverage in six states, the VPP now covers nearly 8,000 miles of freeways and 32,000 additional miles of state highways and arterials in 14 states. The VPP uses crowd-sourced traffic data and advanced analytics techniques to turn billions of data points into insights that are transforming the manner in which member states build, manage and measure their road networks. Real-time speeds and travel times are provided for 65,000 road segments over the 40,000 centerline miles, updated every minute.

The VPP has achieved 99.8 percent data availability in support of dozens of traffic and incident management, traveler information and performance measurement/planning uses by the Coalition. In the largest ongoing test of traffic data accuracy in the world, INRIX real-time traffic information has been found accurate within 2.5 MPH on average over the last 4 years. To read more, click on the link above.

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