1450LMT woes with 2012.2 and Auto Updater

in the future you can't do anymore update?

You do know you can put the portions of the map that don't fit in the internal memory onto the MicroSD, correct? I'm well aware just how much of an annoyance it is to run MapInstall twice since I routinely do it for my 200W. However, I don't have to worry about running out of space either.

Now, with that said, I do agree with you that the small amount of memory in your unit, and mine for that matter, is an annoyance that Garmin could have easily rectified. However, they want you buying units like the 3790, since they make more profit from the customer using that unit than they do from you and me, who bought low-end GPSrs.

Yes ... I know that I can put a portion on the SD card .... the problem is the JCV file.

After just selecting the "Lower 49" ... and running the "single time" installation, I ended up with a Junction View file that was just over 51 megs.

And ALL OF THE JUNCTION VIEW files test routes that I have did not show a single junction view file.

I'm reinstalling 2012.1 ... and the 364 meg JCV file.

The JCV file can also go on the card (X:\Garmin\JCV IIRC). But again, I completely agree that Garmin messed this up. They've dumbed down the update process to the point that they automatically generate a JCV file based upon the device's model, instead of allowing the end user to place the full JCV file on the MicroSD. All out of a misguided desire to minimize service calls and to keep download times low.

At this point, because of Garmin's screw ups it seems the only way to get the correct file is to go through less than legitimate means. While I normally wouldn't recommend this path due to the obvious legal issues, Garmin cannot be trusted to correct their mistakes. Hell, they still haven't fixed the Favorites icon issue in the 1xxx firmware!

I was totally unable to use the AUTO Updater to complete the installation on my 1450LMT.

It kept crashing.

I've owned numerous Garmins ... but this 1450LMT will be my last ... I've owned it less than a year.

To NOT let me install the full map update and the full junction view file on a mini-sd card is just plain WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

I just wrote Garmin support a nasty email ... not that I expect that to do any good.

But if you own a 14xxLMT ... I would strongly suggest you don't update to 2012.2.

And I would encourage everyone to call or email Garmin to complain.

I've owned this unit less than a year. It's still under warranty. Yet Garmin is shoving a limited version of the JCV file down my throat.

Yes ... with the passing of each map update and increased JCV files ... 14xxx GPS users are being forced to choose smaller and smaller map sections ... and are being force-fed a crippled JCV file.

My unit is less than a year old ... yet I'm been forced to move from a full North American Map ... download to the "US and Canada" ... down to the "LOWER 48" ... down to a selection of states.

As more and more junction views become available, my 1450LMT JVC file has been getting smaller and smaller. Known JVC in my location from 2012.1 no longer appear on my GPS in 2012.2.

Some might argue "well, what do you need all that territory" on the updates.

Well, we're avid RV'ers ... and are running from Central Illinois, up to Canada and down to the Florida keys this year.

Our set up is a long as a semi ... lane assist and junction views are a large safety factor, particularly when traveling through large cities such as Toronto or Miami.

This is just wrong.

So yes, in the future, unless Garmin wises up and lets us install the FULL map update and JCV file on a mini-sd or sd card, I suspect that my 1450LMT will be more and more limited.

Stupid. Just wrong.

So you tried the Autoupdate program, found that it crashed things, and went through MyGarmin to do the update? If so, my caution regarding that piece of software was well founded, because I never installed Garmin's Autoupdate program. I did the upgrade through MyGarmin.

I agree that having the map expand to the point it no longer fits in the internal memory space is a nuisance. Both my 1300LM and my roommate's 255W should be out of room by the end of the year if not sooner. However I am also used to my GPS being limited in the amount of space it has. My 200W only has 1GB and I had to move portions of the map to SD card years ago, starting with 2010.10. I have an early 200W, and the first maps available for it are from 2007.

In reality, your caution should apply to all units in the 1xxx series, since most of them are cramped by the limited amount of internal space available (approx 380MB after 2012.10, with all extraneous voice, text, keyboards and vehicles removed). The maps no longer fitting on a device is ancient news, and it honestly happens all the time. The only difference is that it's happening to a unit that is a year old, instead of a unit that was three years old at the time.

BUT, everyone should let Garmin know that it is making a huge mistake when it comes to the Junction View files. People used to seeing Junction Views all the time are going to notice when those Junction Views do not appear. They will wonder why, look on the Internet, and find complaint threads all over about it. Perhaps public embarrassment is something Garmin needs to get its head out of its a** and start listening to what its customers really want.

I tried the Auto Updater and based on results unistalled it. Got message couldn't install complete mapset to gps. Went back to old method and installed to gps and now have the complete map 2012.20.

Did you attempt to install 2012.20 on the 1300? I tried last night on my father's, only saw Lower 49 as my best option. The weird thing is, when I tried to install to my PC only, this was the only map available for some reason. Since my laptop has well more than 20 GB free, shouldn't I have been able to install the entire North American maps onto it, and then when opening up MapSource have the option to then select what goes to the GPS?

I haven't installed 2012.20 yet. I did download it to my laptop however.

When you download the update to your PC, you do in fact get all of North America, so the fact you have 20GB free on your computer isn't really relevant. However, the unlock code that Garmin generates for the 1300LM limits the available regions to the lower 49 states. This is because the 1300LM is marketed as having support only for the lower 49 states and not all of North America. That is why you're not getting the option to install all of North America.

If you have an unlock code for a North America map update, c.f. Garmin - City Navigator North America NT, then you can enter that unlock code into MapSource or BaseCamp and use that on the 1300LM instead.

I had JCVs at a few places around Pittsburgh with 2011.4 that all disappeared during 2012.1. With 2012.2 they are back along with a few more. It seems while they are updating the JCVs they disappear for a map or 2.

Also, my file size was something like 358 MB before and is only 49.8 MB now but I have more JCVs. They have definitely changed the JCV graphic format, resolution or something.

Luckily, you added "...or something." What they did was simply remove a vast majority of the JVs being offered to those of us with older nuvis that "featured" Lane Assist and Junction View.

My missing Junction view "test" files are for large confusing intersections in Toronto, ON and NEW YORK CITY, NY.

I lost some junction view files for I-80 through Illinois when I updated to 2012.1.

Toronto and NYC disappeared with 2012.2.

I-80 through Illinois is still MIA.

I would be hard pressed to come up with a scenerio that someone at Garmin would think "Hey, for this update, let's eliminate some NYC JCV.

Like I and others have said ... GARMIN quit screwing around with limited JCV and allow users to install the FULL DAMN MAPSET AND JCV files on an SD card if there is not room on the GPS itself!!!

Of course, Garmin is probably afraid of piracy if mapsets could easily be swapped on SD cards with appropriate SD card keys.

The zumo 660 has the same memory as the 2 765Ts that I have. The first 2 GPSs got the 49.8 MB file named D3135030A.JCV. The zumo doesn't have a sum file with it while the nuvi 765T has an older D1279000A.sum file.

I haven't done the 3rd GPS yet. Maybe I'll try installing the smallest map I can on it to see if I get a bigger JCV file.

The JCV don't mean that much to me but I like playing with the GPSs so I'll use the 3rd one to experiment with.

(after a complete backup!!!)

This is interesting, I had the entire North America for 2012.10, and now that you mention it, I believe my code was just for the Lower 49. Wonder how I got lucky on the last one. Sounds like I shouldn't have upgraded. Oh well.

The Toronto test route I use (3500 Dufferin to Pearson Airport) had the same number of junction views (3) as 2012.10.

Which ones disappeared for you?

Remember that anti-piracy measures only serve to inconvenience the legitimate customer and not the pirate. I guarantee that within hours of yesterday's release 2012.20 was unlocked, stripped of its GMA authentication, and posted on the Internet for download. By Monday there will be torrents on multiple sites offering it.

Yes Garmin does have to do something about piracy, but they should focus more on what the customers want out of their GPS receivers. That makes sense, and Garmin is all about NOT making sense.

That's really the point of all this talk about Garmin and the JV files. There aren't 3 JV's from 3500 Dufferin to Pearson Airport. There are 5.

If Garmin gave the 1xxx, 7x5 and 8xx owners access to the same LARGE JV file that's on the 37xx everyone would see that.