2460LMT Internal memory and 1490LMT Headaches

 

Does anyone know the size of the built in memory in a 2460LMT or 2360LMT?

I just bought a new 1490LMT and installed the 2012.10 maps. I noticed that many junction views which appear on my 885T did not appear on the 1490LMT.

I called Garmin and we discovered that the size of the JCV file was only 46Mb compared to 367.5MB on the 885T.

Garmin blamed this on the lack of memory and instructed me to delete all unused files (such as voice,text and help files). After deleting almost everything I was willing to give up, I just barely had enough space for the larger JCV file. I reinstalled the maps a second time, but it still installed the smaller JCV file. I believe this is another problem which has been discussed in other forums.

I manually copied over the larger JCV file from my 885T, and I could now see all the junction views on my new 1490LMT.

The problem is that there is only 13.9MB of free space for future updates. I know that I could install a small map set on the internal memory, and the remaining maps on an SD card, but I resent the fact that Garmin has sold me a new product that won't accept the very first map update without deleting other features and purchasing an SD card.

As much as I hate Garmin right now, I enjoy the fact that I can create waypoints and POIs and share them amongst my other Garmin receivers. For that reason I am considering the purchase of a 2360LMT or 2460LMT, but only if I can confirm if they have 8GB of internal memory.

Can anyone verify the internal memory of these units?.

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I recently got a 1490t

for its routes function, but I discovered that it does not have sufficient memory for the 2012 maps + junction views after deleting almost every unnecessary data on it (only a measly 2GB xD ) . Buuuut still, not enough space!!!! So I returned it, knowing that it can not be up-to-date for long. I suggest you return yours,too if you can and get models with 4GB+.

(my old might supports map up to 2015 because it doesn't need the junction view file)

Originally I Thought

Even though I created enough space (by deleting some files), the map update still installed the smaller JCV file. The smaller file contained some JV's around Toronto which I had seen on my 885T with map version 2011.10. But it did not contain many new JV's around my home town which became visible on my 885T after upgrading to 2012.10

At first I thought that might be a bug in the update process, but now I believe that Garmin is deliberately installing a reduced set of JV's in order to save space.

I would never have realized that JV's were missing if I hadn't had my 885T to compare it to.

I did return the 1490 to Costco when I discovered the limitations.

Imagine paying extra for the Lifetime Maps & Traffic (LMT) and not being able to do the very first upgrade.

2450lm

I have a 2450LM and it has 4GB of memory....absolutely no problem downloading maps with plenty of space left over...

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Bobby....Garmin 2450LM

RickLeb wrote: Does anyone

RickLeb wrote:

Does anyone know the size of the built in memory in a 2460LMT or 2360LMT?

Can anyone verify the internal memory of these units?.

The Garmin 2460 does indeed have 8GB of internal memory. I am not sure of the 2360.

Thank You

jakas wrote:

The Garmin 2460 does indeed have 8GB of internal memory. I am not sure of the 2360.

Thank you, after my experience with the 1490 I have no intention of buying another device that will be outdated so quickly. For that reason I want a device with the maximum available memory.

Just To Be Clear

farrissr wrote:

I have a 2450LM and it has 4GB of memory....absolutely no problem downloading maps with plenty of space left over...

Just to be clear, I was able to perform an upgrade to 2012.10 and everything appeared to be fine without deleting any files. I even began to see the speed limit signs which were just added in Canadian areas with the most recent release.

It was only because I had a 885T that I realized that many new junction views were missing.

My JCV file was only 46MB in size, when it should have been 367.5MB to contain everything.

1490

RickLeb wrote:
farrissr wrote:

I have a 2450LM and it has 4GB of memory....absolutely no problem downloading maps with plenty of space left over...

Just to be clear, I was able to perform an upgrade to 2012.10 and everything appeared to be fine without deleting any files. I even began to see the speed limit signs which were just added in Canadian areas with the most recent release.

It was only because I had a 885T that I realized that many new junction views were missing.

My JCV file was only 46MB in size, when it should have been 367.5MB to contain everything.

I have a 1490 and my JCV file is 367.5MB. Mexico did not load to the unit, but who needs it, not me. I have topo maps of all of Texas and parts of other states that are on a micro SD card and they overlay the regular maps with no apparent redraw speed loss. SD cards are a lot cheaper than a new unit.

1490 Memory

1490 has 2GB. When you connect with the USB, just right-click on the unit and select Properties

That's Interesting

jjen wrote:

I have a 1490 and my JCV file is 367.5MB. Mexico did not load to the unit, but who needs it, not me. I have topo maps of all of Texas and parts of other states that are on a micro SD card and they overlay the regular maps with no apparent redraw speed loss. SD cards are a lot cheaper than a new unit.

That's interesting, I tried doing the map update several times after I created enough room for the 367.5MB JCV file, but it kept installing the 46MB file.

When I manually copied over the 367.5MB file from my 885T I could see all the new JV's on the 1490.

Perhaps you can confirm if this is the correct way to split the maps between internal and SD memory

1) Use the online map updater to install a small section of the maps onto the device. I believe that the smallest selection available would be "Canada & Border States"
2) Use the Map Install application, and select all the remaining areas. Select the SD card as the install point.

If that is the correct procedure, I think they need to make a much smaller map selection available on the online map updater, or let the owner choose the SD card as the install location.

Updating

RickLeb wrote:

Perhaps you can confirm if this is the correct way to split the maps between internal and SD memory

1) Use the online map updater to install a small section of the maps onto the device. I believe that the smallest selection available would be "Canada & Border States"
2) Use the Map Install application, and select all the remaining areas. Select the SD card as the install point.

If that is the correct procedure, I think they need to make a much smaller map selection available on the online map updater, or let the owner choose the SD card as the install location.

I had deleted all the files I didn't want, that is voices, text, etc.. Updater loaded all of the US and Canada. It only left out Mexico. In the future if I needed more room I would leave out Canada and load it to the card later using Map Install. Of course I would download to the computer and unit to be sure I had all the maps.

Much Ado About Nothing :)

(That's not me but William Shakespeare)
Gentlemen, buy yourself an sd card - something between 4GB-16GB, and you'll be able to store practically unlimited amount of data

Source of SD Cards

I often order SD memory cards from this location:

http://www.meritline.com/8gb-micro-sdhc-card---c-7650.aspx

Note that for many items, they offer free shipping. 8GB cards are $11 and up. Many for $15 or less. Delivered to your door. Driving to the store can cost $5.

I like 8GB because the nuvi can easily handle it (I think they can use 16GB) and it gives me plenty of space for MP3s. For newer models without MP3 capability, you probably don't need an 8GB.

Jim

Help me out

After reading this thread, I deleted more unused files from my 1490. I now have 381MB free. I have only US & Canada maps on the unit. Will I have enough room for the update and the larger JCV file?

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1490LMT 1450LMT 295w

Just Enough for 2012.1

spokybob wrote:

After reading this thread, I deleted more unused files from my 1490. I now have 381MB free. I have only US & Canada maps on the unit. Will I have enough room for the update and the larger JCV file?

You should have just enough to update to 2012.1 and have a little left over. As the JVC file grows you will probably need an SD card.

What can I put on the SD card

Elig99 wrote:

Gentlemen, buy yourself an sd card - something between 4GB-16GB, and you'll be able to store practically unlimited amount of data

I understand that the map installed via the online updater must be placed on internal memory. Only the supplemental maps can be placed on the SD card.

Currently my map of Canada & USA is 1.3GB in size. I estimate that if I installed only Canada and Border States on internal memory, then the remaining maps would take up 700MB on the SD card.

The online updater also installs the large JCV file on the internal memory. Garmin support told me the entire JCV file is installed no matter which maps you choose to install. There is not an additional JCV file installed on the SD card when you install maps there. I tried moving this file to the SD card afterwards, but it would not function in that location.

So sure, if your unit supports MP3's and Photos, they can be stored on the SD card, but other than the supplemental maps, what else can I store on the SD card.

Maybe

RickLeb wrote:
Elig99 wrote:

Gentlemen, buy yourself an sd card - something between 4GB-16GB, and you'll be able to store practically unlimited amount of data

I understand that the map installed via the online updater must be placed on internal memory. Only the supplemental maps can be placed on the SD card.

Currently my map of Canada & USA is 1.3GB in size. I estimate that if I installed only Canada and Border States on internal memory, then the remaining maps would take up 700MB on the SD card.

The online updater also installs the large JCV file on the internal memory. Garmin support told me the entire JCV file is installed no matter which maps you choose to install. There is not an additional JCV file installed on the SD card when you install maps there. I tried moving this file to the SD card afterwards, but it would not function in that location.

So sure, if your unit supports MP3's and Photos, they can be stored on the SD card, but other than the supplemental maps, what else can I store on the SD card.

I suspect if you attempted to install a JVC file on the SD card it would have to reside in .System/JVC folder on the card. I have no idea if that would work, I haven't tried it. This is the case with POIs. They are required to be in Garmin/POI folder on the card. This is where I have my POIs in separate folders under Garmin/POI

Not so: any map can be installed on SD

"Supplemental maps" is just a term which does not mean much from a technical point of view. Any type of map may be stored on SD. Since this is a 1490 (and not an older 3 digit model), maps should be stored under \map root folder - which may be allocated either on SD or in internal memory. If you wanted, you could even move the "main" USA map (GMAPPROM.IMG)from the .System folder into the \map on the SD, and then delete it from internal memory.

Regarding JCV: on the SD card, I believe it should reside as \Garmin\JCV\jvc_file.jcv . There is no .System directory on the SD card

Doesn't solve the whole problem

Elig99 wrote:

If you wanted, you could even move the "main" USA map (GMAPPROM.IMG)from the .System folder into the \map on the SD, and then delete it from internal memory.

Regarding JCV: on the SD card, I believe it should reside as \Garmin\JCV\jvc_file.jcv . There is no .System directory on the SD card

I have returned the 1490, so I can't test the theory, but even if you are correct, I think I would still need the space on the internal memory to install the map update and the associated JCV file.

The online map update does not seem to use SD memory at all. So the upgrade still goes to internal memory, even though I may move it to SD later and free up internal memory.

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If someone purchases a two or three year old model I could understand if there was a lack of memory in the unit. But there is absolutely no excuse for current units to have such a small amount of memory. A user should not be forced to delete unused files or purchase a memory card.

it would be nice if there

it would be nice if there was a table on this website showing every garmin nuvi product and the amount of internal memory.

Anyone want to volunteer?

HowardZ wrote:

it would be nice if there was a table on this website showing every garmin nuvi product and the amount of internal memory.

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Nuvi 2460LMT.

SD card folders

Has there been a discussion on how to create a folder structure on the SD card?

For custom pois on a sd

For custom pois on a sd card.When you run poiloader and select the sd card instead of the unit.It will do the necessary structure.

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Charlie. Nuvi 265 WT and Nuvi 2597 LMT. Android Here WeGo - Offline Maps & GPS.

How to get JCV file

As mentioned previously by OP, I have trouble getting the complete JCV file. I removed as many files I can from the my 1490T and selected only Canada & boarder states. Although there's 600MB+ of space, Map Updater only installs 45MB JCV file. Most of the JV's here in Western Canada are not appearing. Both Mapsource and Mapinstall cannot provide the JCV file. Also, you cannot directly install maps to SD card using the Map updater. So, I wonder how to get the complete JCV file. If someone has figured this out, please let me know.

Got Another GPS?

As I mentioned, I only discovered the problem because I had a 885T to compare to. I simply copied the larger JCV file from the 885 to the 1490 and it worked fine.

So if you have access to another model that works you can copy the file from that unit to your 1490.

My theory is that GARMIN is installing the smaller file deliberately on all 1490's hoping that owners will not notice. They would prefer to do this than admit that their product no longer has the features advertised on the box.

Sure, if the owner has a PC, reads forums like this one, and purchases additional SD cards, he can resolve the space issue, but who would buy the product if they knew they had to do all that work.

And for those owners who do go through the trouble to create more space, I believe the installation script will be the same for all 1490's. I don't believe the script will install a different file because someone has gone through the trouble of deleting files on their 1490.

I have the larger file.

RickLeb wrote:

As I mentioned, I only discovered the problem because I had a 885T to compare to. I simply copied the larger JCV file from the 885 to the 1490 and it worked fine.

So if you have access to another model that works you can copy the file from that unit to your 1490.

My theory is that GARMIN is installing the smaller file deliberately on all 1490's hoping that owners will not notice. They would prefer to do this than admit that their product no longer has the features advertised on the box.

Sure, if the owner has a PC, reads forums like this one, and purchases additional SD cards, he can resolve the space issue, but who would buy the product if they knew they had to do all that work.

And for those owners who do go through the trouble to create more space, I believe the installation script will be the same for all 1490's. I don't believe the script will install a different file because someone has gone through the trouble of deleting files on their 1490.

As I said before I have a 1490 and my JCV file is 367.5MB. I have since moved it to the SD card under folders Garmin/JCV. It works great. This leaves me 399MB free on the 1490. Have to see what happens next update.

Buy A Lottery Ticket

jjen wrote:

As I said before I have a 1490 and my JCV file is 367.5MB. I have since moved it to the SD card under folders Garmin/JCV. It works great. This leaves me 399MB free on the 1490. Have to see what happens next update.

From what I have read in this thread (and others), you seem to have gotten lucky with your install.

Both myself and denis327 made the space available on the internal memory, but the map updater still installed the smaller JCV file.

In this thread http://www.poi-factory.com/node/33254 several members reported that they see very few Junction Views on their 1490. I have asked them to report back on the size of their JCV file, but have not seen any responses at this time.

My feeling is that Garmin should not be selling the 1490 if it does not have the features listed on the box. The majority of GPS users do not read these forums, or possess the geek ability to make the required changes. That is why I suspect that they are offering limited Junction views so that the 1490 does have the features advertised.

Take a look at this link

RickLeb wrote:
jjen wrote:

As I said before I have a 1490 and my JCV file is 367.5MB. I have since moved it to the SD card under folders Garmin/JCV. It works great. This leaves me 399MB free on the 1490. Have to see what happens next update.

From what I have read in this thread (and others), you seem to have gotten lucky with your install.

Both myself and denis327 made the space available on the internal memory, but the map updater still installed the smaller JCV file.

In this thread http://www.poi-factory.com/node/33254 several members reported that they see very few Junction Views on their 1490. I have asked them to report back on the size of their JCV file, but have not seen any responses at this time.

My feeling is that Garmin should not be selling the 1490 if it does not have the features listed on the box. The majority of GPS users do not read these forums, or possess the geek ability to make the required changes. That is why I suspect that they are offering limited Junction views so that the 1490 does have the features advertised.

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/33510

And the comments below.

Lilla Renfro Slater - June 6 After installing 2012.10 Full Coverage North America to my fake device to obtain the Junction View (.jcv) file. My real device, Garmin nuvi 1490T, has 2GB internal memory, which is not large enough to install Full NA map to it.

Lilla Renfro Slater - June 6 To create a fake device, GarminDevice.xml is the only file you need, copy it from your device. Assure it is the latest version of the file. The other files were added by the install.

Lilla Renfro Slater - 22 hours ago The above worked to obtain the full .jcv file using GarminMapUpdater 2.6.11. However, using the now current v2.6.12, I get only a small .jcv file no matter what region I install. Even when installing Lower 49 States to my real device. Hopefully, Garmin will fix this soon.

Apparently it is the fault of GarminMapUpdater. I was lucky enough to get version 2.6.11. I still have that version on my computer.

jcv file

jjen wrote:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/33510

And the comments below.

Lilla Renfro Slater - June 6 After installing 2012.10 Full Coverage North America to my fake device to obtain the Junction View (.jcv) file. My real device, Garmin nuvi 1490T, has 2GB internal memory, which is not large enough to install Full NA map to it.

Lilla Renfro Slater - June 6 To create a fake device, GarminDevice.xml is the only file you need, copy it from your device. Assure it is the latest version of the file. The other files were added by the install.

Lilla Renfro Slater - 22 hours ago The above worked to obtain the full .jcv file using GarminMapUpdater 2.6.11. However, using the now current v2.6.12, I get only a small .jcv file no matter what region I install. Even when installing Lower 49 States to my real device. Hopefully, Garmin will fix this soon.

Apparently it is the fault of GarminMapUpdater. I was lucky enough to get version 2.6.11. I still have that version on my computer.

This could well be true. So the problem is with the Mapupdater. Does anyone know whether I can find v2.6.11 on Garmin servers.

I suspect this is a workaround (by deceiving users) by Garmin to solve the crashing problems many experienced during last map update. They might never allow complete jcv file in the future for 1490T and other units with only 2GB. We need to find a reliable way to get the most up-to-date jcv file out of their system.

One way

denis327 wrote:

This could well be true. So the problem is with the Mapupdater. Does anyone know whether I can find v2.6.11 on Garmin servers.

If you don't get a response, send me an email through the Factory and I will attach the file to a reply. The file is a little over 4MB.

Thanks For Info

jjen wrote:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/33510

Lilla Renfro Slater - June 6 To create a fake device, GarminDevice.xml is the only file you need, copy it from your device. Assure it is the latest version of the file. The other files were added by the install.

Apparently it is the fault of GarminMapUpdater. I was lucky enough to get version 2.6.11. I still have that version on my computer.

Well that explains why you were successful and others who tried the update more recently were not.

I expect the change in MapUpdater was not accidental, but rather a deliberate attempt to prevent those pesky "Not Enough Memory" messages. It cuts down on all the calls to Garmin Support.

I was interested by Lilla's comment about creating a fake device. Could you provide a link to that discussion? Thanks.

2450LM

I just received my 2450LM (in the last week - first Gramin). I have all the updates shown for the device (including the latest map files). The device shows as 3.6 GB total (in windows explorer) with 383 MB free [I have a stock install, no custom files etc]. My JCV file is in \.System\JCV and is only 249mb in size. It appears I have the same problem as others, plenty of space free but not the full junction view file???

Scott

Titled Yesterday

RickLeb wrote:

I was interested by Lilla's comment about creating a fake device. Could you provide a link to that discussion? Thanks.

http://cid-c6483e8a197b8356.office.live.com/browse.aspx/.Pub...

Just a .pnd and comments. You will still need version 2.6.11 I think.

my guess

My guess is the Updater is reading the device file and if it is a specific type it installs a smaller JCV file. If - and it's a guess on my part - this is the case, then there is no real way around it unless you could change the device file. If you stated it was a different model, the maps loaded may not function.

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"In order to be old and wise, one first must have been young and stupid."

Garmin "could" allow you to

Garmin "could" allow you to use a mini sd card, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

For information purposes

jjen wrote:
denis327 wrote:

This could well be true. So the problem is with the Mapupdater. Does anyone know whether I can find v2.6.11 on Garmin servers.

If you don't get a response, send me an email through the Factory and I will attach the file to a reply. The file is a little over 4MB.

The file cannot be sent to a gmail address even in zip format. Gotta love google (NOT).

Change the extension

Change it from .exe to .old. It'll work then.

Most ISP's are like this now.

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nüvi 3790T | nüvi 775T | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable ~ JFK

Thanks

Juggernaut wrote:

Change it from .exe to .old. It'll work then.

Most ISP's are like this now.

Thanks I'll try that.

Still no luck

jjen, thanks for sending me Map Updater v2.6.11
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work. When I run v2.6.11 it automatically updates itself to v2.6.12 inside the updater application before downloading maps.

Same problem here

denis327 wrote:

jjen, thanks for sending me Map Updater v2.6.11
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work. When I run v2.6.11 it automatically updates itself to v2.6.12 inside the updater application before downloading maps.

I tried three times to install maps to an SD card as outlined here:

http://cid-c6483e8a197b8356.office.live.com/browse.aspx/.Pub...

I had no success. Each time when it went to install the maps it came back with an unexpected error and the program must close. I got that error the first I attempted to install to the unit when the update first came out. But I was able to update on the next try. On the attempts to use the SD card it came back with updating the MapUpdater as you indicated.

Garmin has really screwed up. There has to be someway provided to get the full JCV file or we will have lost a feature we bought the unit for.

Well that explains why the 1490 JVs are so crappy>>>

I thought I saw a lot more before I updated! Not even going to bother with another Garmin sad

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"You can't get there from here"

follow this thread ...

I have had good success following this thread on the Garmin forums:

https://forums.garmin.com/showthread.php?t=19245

So a combination of cleaning up unwanted files on the 1490T along with installation of Lower 48 states on the Nuvi and rest of the maps on the microSDHC card have worked out for me.

Another option is to create a fake 1490T and have everything downloaded to the fake 1490T and running the new maps from there. Everything is explained very well in the above linked thread.

Fake 1490 doesn't work

jakas wrote:

Another option is to create a fake 1490T and have everything downloaded to the fake 1490T and running the new maps from there. Everything is explained very well in the above linked thread.

I have tried 6 times with two different devices and always get an error and the program closes. It seems that the new MapUpdater doesn't allow this.

I'm Confused

jjen wrote:

Garmin has really screwed up. There has to be someway provided to get the full JCV file or we will have lost a feature we bought the unit for.

A couple of days ago, you said that you had no trouble loading the larger JCV file, while the rest of us were having difficulty.

Are you saying the only thing that changed between then and today is that you are using a different version of web updater?

1490T

I had a 1490T and had USA, Mexico and Canada loaded without any trouble...I had deleted many of the files I didn't use. As I recall there was still over 300MB available after loading the map....

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Bobby....Garmin 2450LM

Don't be confused

RickLeb wrote:
jjen wrote:

Garmin has really screwed up. There has to be someway provided to get the full JCV file or we will have lost a feature we bought the unit for.

A couple of days ago, you said that you had no trouble loading the larger JCV file, while the rest of us were having difficulty.

Are you saying the only thing that changed between then and today is that you are using a different version of web updater?

I have the larger file. I am looking to the future. If Garmin doesn't correct the problems there will be no JCV file for all of us. Right now there is no solution, because their MapUdater file prevents anyone from getting the larger file.

Map Problems????

farrissr wrote:

I had a 1490T and had USA, Mexico and Canada loaded without any trouble...I had deleted many of the files I didn't use. As I recall there was still over 300MB available after loading the map....

No one has reported any problem installing the maps.

This discussion is regarding the fact that Garmin does not allow the full Junction View files to be installed. The Junction view file being installed on the 1490 is only 13% of the full file.

You would never notice this problem on your unit if you didn't have another "better" unit to compare it to.

Can we request Garmin for the big JCV file

I wonder if we can request Garmin to place the full JCV file on their website for 1490T owners. This way if we remove the unwanted files on the 1490T to make room for the full JCV file, we have to option to install the full JCV file on the device.

@jjen I too can confirm that the new Mapupdater (GarminMapUpdater v2.6.12) cannot create the fake 1490T. Looks like Garmin plugged that hole too.

You're wrong>>>

RickLeb wrote:
farrissr wrote:

I had a 1490T and had USA, Mexico and Canada loaded without any trouble...I had deleted many of the files I didn't use. As I recall there was still over 300MB available after loading the map....

No one has reported any problem installing the maps.

This discussion is regarding the fact that Garmin does not allow the full Junction View files to be installed. The Junction view file being installed on the 1490 is only 13% of the full file.

You would never notice this problem on your unit if you didn't have another "better" unit to compare it to.

I noticed that my junction view application was terrible after the map upgrade about a year ago. I didn't have a better unit with which to compare except for the 1490 was better before the upgrade. I used to love Garmin...I've owned 5 or 6 of them but now the TT is a much better fit for what I need.

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"You can't get there from here"

Complain Here

Everyone that has the 1490 and other units that use the JCV file needs to go to this site and register. We have to get this fixed before the next update. It takes a while to let you post. I am waiting now.

https://forums.garmin.com/showthread.php?t=19245

https://forums.garmin.com/showthread.php?t=19995

This might be a better link and also complain to Garmin support.

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