Interesting News Story About New Red Light Cameras On U.S. 27 In Haines City, Fl.

 

This was published over the weekend at the paper I work at in Lakeland; The Ledger. I thought you all may find it interesting.

HAINES CITY | The City Commission listened to the voices of an angry standing-room only crowd Thursday. Their anger boiled out over the number of tickets issued as a result of the installation of red light cameras on U.S. 27 and U.S. 17/92.

The commissioners agreed to meet in a workshop as soon as possible to perhaps modify who will get tickets and who won't. A date for the workshop has not been set.

he statistics surprised commissioners. A data analysis of tickets issued from Jan. 15 through March 3 showed 8,690 tickets were issued from the 10 cameras in operation. Of those, 3,853 were for running straight through a red light.

Commissioners agreed those violators would not get a reprieve. However, they are willing to look at right-turn-on-red violators, for which 4,794 tickets were issued. The other tickets were for such things for left-turn on red.
The rest of the story is here:

http://www.theledger.com/article/20110304/NEWS/103045048/113...

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SnookMook wrote:

This was published over the weekend at the paper I work at in Lakeland; The Ledger. I thought you all may find it interesting.

HAINES CITY | The City Commission listened to the voices of an angry standing-room only crowd Thursday. Their anger boiled out over the number of tickets issued as a result of the installation of red light cameras on U.S. 27 and U.S. 17/92.

The commissioners agreed to meet in a workshop as soon as possible to perhaps modify who will get tickets and who won't. A date for the workshop has not been set.

he statistics surprised commissioners. A data analysis of tickets issued from Jan. 15 through March 3 showed 8,690 tickets were issued from the 10 cameras in operation. Of those, 3,853 were for running straight through a red light.

Commissioners agreed those violators would not get a reprieve. However, they are willing to look at right-turn-on-red violators, for which 4,794 tickets were issued. The other tickets were for such things for left-turn on red.
The rest of the story is here:

http://www.theledger.com/article/20110304/NEWS/103045048/113...

Maybe the City Council in St Petersburg will see this and change their minds about adding red light cameras.

Don't...

...get your hopes up. neutral

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This should produce interesting viewpoints

First - Read the full article just to get a flavor of the issues.

People who run red lights should be ticketed, period. If violators think they have mitigating circumstances, let them appear in court and make their case. If the car was driven by someone other than the owner, then tough luck - don't let that person ever use the vehicle again.

I thought it was interesting that the city council was willing to consider the turn-right-on-red violations - coming to a full stop is sometime hard to do if the lane is on a downhill (admit the law says full stop but if safety is the issue, then the question is whether the person attempted the stop). If an officer had been present, would there have been a warning instead?

red light scameras

"Mayor Horace West said, that for him, installing the cameras was a safety issue. He told the crowd he and his family were hit by someone on U.S. 27, going 85 miles an hour through a red light.

'I'm glad they got a ticket,' he said."

When someone runs a red light and causes an accident, that person will get a ticket. To issue tickets just because a person goes through a red light, but causes no accident, seems more like a penalty.

Red light cameras pit man against machine. Man will lose every single time.

If people running red lights are not causing accidents, and it's at the instant when the light is changing from yellow to red, how is that a big deal? It's not. It's just some genius figured out a way to fine people that are not necessarily doing anything wrong.

I'd also like to point out, the person that hit Mayor West and his family was also speeding...

While trying to find any information on Mayor West's accident, I found this interesting article.

http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/january/192930/Tra...

If people are getting fined for running red lights, shouldn't they also get fined for speeding? No matter what, and no matter who they are? It's interesting that Monica West got out of a speeding ticket, but Mayor West has no sympathy for people that can't afford these highway robbery tickets. He's glad the person that was speeding and went through a red light got a ticket. So punish everyone, but not your wife! That's fair and balanced. Glad he's in a position of authority.

EDIT

I just found another article saying that the Chief of Police ordered Monica to get a ticket. She was going 48 in a 30.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20110113/NEWS/110119870

EDIT AGAIN

I did a little searching on "Bloody 27" to find out what the speed limit is. It's 65 mph. So the person that hit Mayor West and his family, was going just 2 miles over what his wife was doing when she was caught speeding.

"Major Paul Baggett of the Polk County sheriff's office agrees that speed is a factor on the roadway. Last year their department alone investigated 145 crashes along US 27 in the area from Haines City to US 192."

"DOT says there are no plans to lower the 65 mile an hour speed limit along that stretch of US 27 either."

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=75522

Twix--You've done your

Twix--You've done your research. U.S 27 in that section of the state has become extremely over crowded and the accident rate has shot up tremendously.

Although I adhere to the full stop before right turn on red, needless to say, I hope Haines City comes to their senses like the city of Lakeland did and amends the right turn on red policy to a reasonable stop (2 mph). I hope they also allow for creeping due to (view obstruction) and such. Lakeland pretty much has a policy now if an actual officer would not issue a ticket they rescind the camera citation and don't even mail them out. Evidently they review the right turn on red citations now.

Haines City should do the same in my opinion.

Sometimes Running A Red Light Is Necessary..!!

jgermann wrote:

People who run red lights should be ticketed, period.

Once again we have people who only see in colors of Black and White.. where sometimes there's grey in between.

Nothing is absolutely 100 percent one way or the other. There are times when the unforeseen happens.. and as such, neither right or wrong can cover it.

Nuvi1300WTGPS

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Did you read the article?

Nuvi1300WTGPS wrote:

Sometimes Running A Red Light Is Necessary..!!

jgermann wrote:

People who run red lights should be ticketed, period.

Once again we have people who only see in colors of Black and White.. where sometimes there's grey in between.

Nothing is absolutely 100 percent one way or the other. There are times when the unforeseen happens.. and as such, neither right or wrong can cover it.

Nuvi1300WTGPS

Did you read the article?

because you did not seem to read my statement which read

jgermann wrote:

First - Read the full article just to get a flavor of the issues.

People who run red lights should be ticketed, period. If violators think they have mitigating circumstances, let them appear in court and make their case. If the car was driven by someone other than the owner, then tough luck - don't let that person ever use the vehicle again.

While the single sentence you selective;y quoted seems to cast my feeling in "absolutely 100 percent one way", the statment read in context says that violators can contest the ticket based on mitigating circumstances - EXACTLY like one could if one felt that a police officer had given a ticket without due regard to mitigating circumstances(and where the issue of whether the owner of the car was not the driver would not have come up)

Side note to twix - here we are back on the "necessary" violation. (or better or permissible, if one prefers)

Haines City is not RV friendly

I recently got a red light ticket ($158 bucks) at one of those lights in Haines City. My 40ft motorhome with a car in tow was clocked at 34 mph less than 2 seconds from the time the light turned red from what seemed a short yellow. I could not stop my rig if I wanted to and would perhaps caused an accident if I tried to. No copy to talk to or make a judgement call.

I would have to travel 6 hours round-trip to appear before a judge to argue my case. Fine paid - never to spend another penny in Haines City.

Sounds like they have quite a good money machine going!

Exactly

pbrodeur wrote:

I would have to travel 6 hours round-trip to appear before a judge to argue my case. Fine paid - never to spend another penny in Haines City.

And that's why they folded up like a wet tissue when the locals showed up. They don't have to drive that long and they also vote for that council.

The city probably made more on you with that one ticket than the sales taxes you would spend in that town on several trips there.

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