Directional POI?

I'm not sure if it's possible but will be interested in an answer.

We are working on it.

Miss POI

Great. I'm looking forward to it. If there is anything I can do to help please let me know.

I can't wait to hear the result though it doesn't bother me like albergmv

Anything new on this yet?

When you report a red light camera, make the reports directional, and that will be included in a new directional POI file. Those designing this improvement need the data to make it work.

dobs108

one flaw in the red light pois is when you are on yhe highway (elevated)and go over a camera on the feeder and cross road it warns on my nuvi

Right, if the POI on the side road is 50 feet or less from the highway, it will alert - there is nothing that can be done about it even with the directional POI file.

dobs108

My navalert gps does not activate unless you are going in the direction that the camera is pointed. If you are on the same street and corner but headed in the opposite direction of the camera it doesn't alert. I'm hoping that the new redlight/speed camera files will give us the same feature, it's really nice not getting alerts that aren't relevant.

The ones I've seen in Ohio are moved from corner to corner on a regular basis .. they're only on two corners at a time in the same intersection ... I prefer to know that there's a red-light camera at the intersection ahead even if it's not in my direction of travel ... next time it might be

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Where I am they are fixed. So for the entries in your part of the world you would make the entries omnidirectional or you would have separate entries and alerts for all potential appraches to be safe.

Curious if this is still planned. In another thread I saw that you were considering a ContentCreator license & I'm assuming that is what you're referring to here?

Also curious to know if there is an anticipated date & if you will continue to make csv versions of the RL & Speed cam files. (I'm working on updating my GPX utilities spreadsheet code )

Apologies if I missed a thread about ContentCreator someplace.

It would be nice to have a directional warning, but I'm just glad to have any warning at all since people drive like idiots around the cameras. I hope this project is still in the works.

So Miss POI anything to report on this yet? It's been a while so just looking for an update?

Nothing yet guys.

Still working with Garmin on this

Miss POI

@Miss POI,

What will Garmin do for you? Modify POI Loader to include extra fields?

I was never really interested by camera files, but I am pretty sure it already includes directional information. I read about this somewhere. The only thing that seems to be missing is a way for us to create those files.

It is somewhat not really easy to do. You have to provide an angle from the street to the camera (or the opposite?).

If anybody has inforamtion, maybe I cna help in making those files.

Turbo

Thank you.

By the same token, it would be cool if speed trap location POI's differentiated between center and shoulder and ramp.

The red light program that Garmin has on it's website is supposedly directional for red light cameras. Here in Calgary, they move the cameras around I'm told as they don't have sufficient numbers for all the sites. The flash will go off but no camera in the box to capture the scene. Directional would be nice but I'd rather be on the safe side and have warnings in both directions.

What's the benefit of having a warning of a location if the camera isn't even facing the direction you are going? It would just be a false alarm.

[quote=albergmv]What's the benefit of having a warning of a location if the camera isn't even facing the direction you are going? It would just be a false alarm.[/quote]
It’s a nice reminder to slow down and pay attention.

When you find out how directional POIs work, please post the details so we techies get the whole picture.

So what you really need is a POI containing each and every intersection... Or a bell in your car that rings every twenty seconds.

The point of the OP was too many alarms diminish the value of each one of them.

Yup, that was my original point, that and other types of gps units are able to filter out cameras that are not pointing in the direction that you are traveling in.

As you know I am working on a simili-POI Loader. I could support directional POI alerts if anybody has an example of file doing it. I need a file that is not encrypted. If you open it in a Hex Editor and you cannot read anything except the few 100's bytes, then it is encrypted. Otherwise, there's hope. Send the file or a link to me.

Thanks.

Turbo

Geez. Even in Montgomery County, MD there's only a RL cam at maybe 0.01% of the intersections. I'd hate to live or drive where some of you must.

.. But then again, I've been married for 30+ years so my hearing-irritation factor may be atypical.

I have now all the information I needed to make directional POI. No more need for files. I started to add the required fields in EPE. You should see this soon in EPE v5.12 and above.

Thumbs up Turbo

is getting better again!

Thanks Turbo

If this works your the best turbo. Just think of all the new paying members this site will have if it's available exclusively here.

I was told directional POIs are not yet supported by our Garmin gps. It is a feature that is to come. Very sad. Especially since I added support for this in EPE. I will have to remove it and wait.

It won't work with Garmin would it work with TomTom,I know most of the people on this site use Garmin but there are some people that use TomTom.

Having a handle of your surroundings at all times. Plain and simple.

It seems to happen when the traffic camera is more than 50 feet away. This is really annoying.

Also, is there a way to have the warning sound only once. It repeats 2 or 3 times and that really is annoying.

I am interested in this more out of intellectual curiosity than for application of red light cameras. I find it particularly annoying that my Garmins will show me gas stations on the interstate that are behind me and well off to the side with only a few ahead of me that are really candidates. In other words, there are other situations in which the limited Garmin logic is inconvenient. I am not currently envisioning how that can be fixed for POIs given that Garmins seem to ignore this in general. So I am looking forward to learning something.

Jim

Since I have never used my 765T to find gas stations, I have no experience but hope to learn something.

I know that if I ask for, say, gas stations, I would get a list of the (potential) 50 that were closest to me (and some possibly behind me). Is this what you do?

Also, do you have custom POI files for gas stations? I have not loaded any gas stations but, had I done so, and set my GPS to alert me to gas stations in the next, say, 2000 feet (using manual mode or .gpx), I would expect to get alerts all along my route. This would be distracting in general, so I would probably only turn on alerts when I was low on gas.

It would be nice if one were able to turn on alerts for specific categories - independently of other categories.

Maybe some discussion will help newcomers understand the limits of POIs and alerts.

Thanks

Unless you set alert as a TourGuide you will not get alert while driving on the interstates and not locally if not on the same rd the coordinates are set at.

I don't use alerts for the gas stations.Either I touch the tab to show the 50 closest to me or use the near tab and select along the route or destination for both custom pois and internal ones.Depending on where I am located.

First, charlesd45, thank your for all of the information you quickly and politely provide to our questions.

Since charlesd45 is almost always correct, I wanted to check with him about his statement about interstates.

I did some testing a while back (which I posted on this site) that indicated that 30 meters (98 feet) was the maximum distance "off the road" that one might expect for alerts (and of course that would be based on coordinates as opposed to actual distances).

I believe you were making an assumption that most gas stations would not be within the alert distance of 30 meters. I would agree for rural interstate but this might not be true in cities.

This is probably like the situation several have discussed with the red-light cameras where the actual camera is on a crossing street below or above the interstate.

I seen the post you done on the test of 98 ft.As a result since the distance of along the road alerts has been asked many times.I called Garmin about what is the appx distance for the alert.Never could get a appx distance from them.

In the city if you have the alert set.In most cases if you are not on the same road of travel based on the coordinates you will not get the alert.The distance is up for debate.I usually state 50 to 75 ft based on user comments and examples of my on travels.Now the exception to that.If you have set a location as a destination you will get the alert based on the distance you selected.For example early on never got alerted on the interstate for any Cracker Barrels using along the road.If I set one as destination I would get the alert on the interstate because of the distance I had set it at.It was a part of the route.So 50 to 75 ft does not apply in this case.

There are options you can use to limit the search so it doesn't point to ones behind you. When you first tell the unit to search, touch NEAR at the bottom of the screen. Now you can put some parameters around the search such as "along my current route" or a nearby city.

Once you said it, I remember seeing that myself but had not hoisted it in fully.

I didn't know that, but I'll try next time. This is very useful. Thanks.

I've encountered the same thing with my 660.

I chuckle, and continue on.... !

Nothing can be done about the possibly 98 feet side distance along a straight road, but roads are not always straight, but curved. Also, while changing lanes, the car is not going straight ahead but at an angle. When not going straight, the nuvi will "see" more cameras that are nearby the roadway.

To reduce alerts like this, shorten the alert distance, depending on the usual speed limit in your area, to less than the default 1320 feet. For the 40 - 50 mph for most cameras in my area, I use POI Loader in manual and set the alert distance to 600 feet. This will also reduce multiple alerts. I get four alerts at 1320 feet and one at 600 feet with my nuvi 760. This apparently happens differently with different Garmins.

When driving in the city where different cameras may be only about 600 or 700 feet apart, a short alert distance reduces confusion over exactly which intersection has a camera.

Shortening the alert distance only changes the distance ahead. The side distance is still possibly 98 feet.

dobs108

How do you change the alert distance for the red light cameras?

Read through this FAQ and you should be able to do what you want.
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/30728

See the FAQ jgermann mentioned. Run POI Loader in manual and you can enter any alert distance you like.

dobs108

I will try it.

Don't want to be picky here but can the people wanting to adjust distances on their POIs start another thread rather than jacking this one. The point of this thread was to discuss a directional POI not how to set the distances from one. Thanks.