Why old farts need to be tested every year

 

http://tinyurl.com/69yvaj8

Elderly See Pedestrians Half as Often as Younger Drivers, According to New Research.

As I said in another post I am 63 and have no problem being tested when I am 65.

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Challenge to you if you can handle it.

kurzemnieks wrote:

Let me put a monkey wrench into some of this thought process.
Unless there is a special place I do not know of in the USA, the speed limit is the same in all lanes so I cannot be charged for driving to slow in the left lane if I am doing the limit and as far as I know there is no law saying I have to move over to let someone else break the law. I do have to move over for emergency vehicles but that is as far as it goes.
In the city I never drive in the right lane because of all the cars entering and leaving the freeway.
Since Toyota had a Prius contest several years ago and a lady won by driving the city course at 79mpg, when I drive from one end of the city to the other I try to see how good my mileage is. So far following the speed limits, the best was 67mpg. I just pretend there is an egg under the gas pedal.
When I was younger I did rear end a 87 year old lady at 60mph while she told the police officer she pulled out in front of me because she did not see my bright red car and was doing 15mph.

I would like for you to show us the law that states that you are allowed to drive in the left. I will await your response.

Thank you in advance.

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Driving in the left lane

A lot of highways have signs that say "Keep right except to pass" you can get a ticket fot doing that.
(not likely, but it can happen depending on the time of the month & and the ticket quota)

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100% agree

johndhawk wrote:

I think all drivers could make a difference on the road as to safety if they (1)knew the laws, (2)knew how to observe and practice good driving skills (i.e. how to merge, using turn signals when changing lanes, safe following distance, etc), (3) kept a focus on the task at hand, (4) keep your vehicle in safe condition (tires, brakes, vision, etc.) (5) keep fresh (don't over-drive your alert capability.
Personally, I think all drivers, regardless of age should be tested periodically.

I agree with this, I think driving here could be much safer if everyone was tested to a high standard at least once every 10 years. If you can't pass, you can't drive.

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I'd get home from work in 20

I'd get home in half the time. Our largest insurance company some years ago stated that the worst drivers bar none are the Chineese, Population 4,510,858 here in BC Canada.

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Wrong Way!... I guess

I was driving down the freeway, when my cell phone rang. Answering, I heard my wife's voice urgently warning me, "Bob, I just heard on the news that there's a car going the wrong way on Interstate 90. Please be careful!"

"Hell," "It's not just one car. It's hundreds of them!" I told her!

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Keep to right

Troopers use the law to pull over cars proceeding at the speed limit, but staying in left lane. They do not issue a ticket for that, but do generate citations for drivers license, registration, insurance & seat belt violations and even cracked windshields. It happened to several of my co-workers over the years. Poor people tend to drive beat-up appearing cars & can't afford insurance or windshield repair. Then they can't afford the tickets either. I have heard them call policemen bad names.smile

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Well, this ole phart

Going for my licenses renewal this morning - have to take the vision test this time as I'll be 75 for this renewal. Shouldn't be a problem since I had cataract surgery 4 years ago. Will probably get that "glasses required" stamp off my license.

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I just watched a TV show a

I just watched a TV show a couple of days ago where a women had a botched eye surgery from some doctor who had a lot of complaints. She said she already was losing her vision acuity due to aging when she went for a surgery to try to correct it so she wouldn't lose her ability to drive, etc. Her vision after the surgery had deteriorated to the point where she had SEVERE tunnel vision and couldn't be out in the sun without wearing special sunglasses. She was saying right on TV (as she's driving a car) how now she's so afraid to drive because she wouldn't be able to see a child or other pedestrian stepping out in front of her because she can only see straight ahead, and even that vision isn't that great. She said that she basically had blind spots everywhere except straight ahead. Like I said before, she was saying all of this WHILE DRIVING!!! I understand that losing a license is akin to losing freedom, but I don't want to lose my life because someone was so selfish as to drive impaired like that. I mean, I have a health condition that could make it dangerous to drive if I didn't have it under control, and when I have problems I DON'T DRIVE, period, end of story. I also make sure that I take the proper precautions before I drive EVERY time. It's not something I get even the least bit lax about. Sure this means that sometimes I either have to call a friend, take a bus, call a cab, or if I don't have the money or any friends free I just reschedule whatever appointment or whatever it was I was going to. No place I'd have to drive to is worth losing my life over, and even more importantly I'm not going to take someone else's life in my hands. If I ever come to a point where driving is the least bit dangerous I'll find other ways. There's always another way or option, even if it involves some inconveniences or burden on myself.

Yeah I feel sorry for the woman who had the botched surgery, but it sounds like she shouldn't have even been driving before the surgery. If people with certain health conditions have to get tested and have special conditions to drive, including doctor approval (in some states), then why not have elderly people retested? I'm part of a group that needs to go through extra hoops to get licensed, but I am all for it. Make the roads safer, not more dangerous. Just like not all people with health conditions are dangerous drivers or have any impairments because of it, I get that not all elderly people lose their ability to drive safely...but lives are literally at stake.

Got my license renewed

MrKenFL wrote:

Going for my licenses renewal this morning - have to take the vision test this time as I'll be 75 for this renewal. Shouldn't be a problem since I had cataract surgery 4 years ago. Will probably get that "glasses required" stamp off my license.

Passed eye test ! NO glasses required now ! Man, with the states starting to get real stringent with regard to issuing licenses you wouldn't believe the documentation I had to submit even tho I've held a Flor-i-duh license for 13 years.
1. Old driver's license
2. Passport or Notarized Birth Certificate
3. Voter Registration card (to verify address)
4. Social Security Card
5. Another "card" with my photo on it.
6. My vehicle registration card (couldn't figure that one out)

Anyway - I'm good to go !

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And Next...

We will need a thread on why young wipper-snappers shouldn't be allowed to drive until they mature at the age of 30!

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Anti-social behavior

kurzemnieks wrote:

Let me put a monkey wrench into some of this thought process.
Unless there is a special place I do not know of in the USA, the speed limit is the same in all lanes...

... when I drive from one end of the city to the other I try to see how good my mileage is. So far following the speed limits, the best was 67mpg. I just pretend there is an egg under the gas pedal.

You have anti-social behaviors that stimulate road rage. When you are in the left and accelerating like a turtle, many people, including me, will get very angry at you for being inconsiderate of others. Someday you are going to encounter someone that does not agree with your behaviors. I suggest the right lane to avoid conflict.

BTW, with a hybrid, isn't quick acceleration and deceleration better for the batteries and braking generation back into the batteries and in turn for your fuel economy?

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I agree

98SoftTail wrote:

I'm nearing 65 and can drive fine but notice the difference between how well I see things especially at night. I think that after age 25, the amount of time it takes the eye to adjust to light changes starts to increase. I just got a renewal of drivers liscense for 8 years (in NC) with only an eye test. I think that testing should be more often than that once one hits 65.

I am 62 and I have noticed my eye-sight is not as good, especially at night. I have no problem with them testing me. I see too many old people who should not be on the road, but there are many who drive just fine.

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In CA...

I would like for you to show us the law that states that you are allowed to drive in the left. I will await your response.

Thank you in advance.[/quote]
the left lane was the "passing lane" and you were not allowed to drive in it for any length of time...

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True...

jmkthird wrote:

I would like for you to show us the law that states that you are allowed to drive in the left. I will await your response.

Thank you in advance.

the left lane was the "passing lane" and you were not allowed to drive in it for any length of time...

Hi JMKthird, I would suspect that this is the case in almost every state. I have finally visited all 50 states (yay!) and believe I have seen a "keep right, pass left" or some variant in every state.

I can't recall, but I heard at one point that you have up to 4 miles to pass in PA, but I can't find any factual information to confirm.

I'm curious to know how kurzemnieks arrived at the conclusion that it is ok to drive in the left lane, and would like to see factual evidence to support. I would guess that none exists, I am not holding my breath waiting for his information.

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MrKenFL wrote:
MrKenFL wrote:

Going for my licenses renewal this morning - have to take the vision test this time as I'll be 75 for this renewal. Shouldn't be a problem since I had cataract surgery 4 years ago. Will probably get that "glasses required" stamp off my license.

Passed eye test ! NO glasses required now ! Man, with the states starting to get real stringent with regard to issuing licenses you wouldn't believe the documentation I had to submit even tho I've held a Flor-i-duh license for 13 years.
1. Old driver's license
2. Passport or Notarized Birth Certificate
3. Voter Registration card (to verify address)
4. Social Security Card
5. Another "card" with my photo on it.
6. My vehicle registration card (couldn't figure that one out)

Anyway - I'm good to go !

I went through the "new" FL license renewal process last year and my wife just this past Tuesday. Luckily, we both had passports so that made it a lot easier and quicker. Gathering the other documents wasn't too bad, but we both saw people get up and leave because they didn't have the correct documents.

We both got renewed for 8 years and neither of us need glasses. grin

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Left lane

While I also feel that - when I am driving at the maximum posted speed in the left lane - I should not have to take extra action to let someone roaring up behind me, I am aware that I am supposed to do so. I move to the right at my first opportunity without taking the vehicle out of cruise control.

I found this on Wikipedia

"Common practice and most law on United States Highways is that the left lane is reserved for passing and faster moving traffic, and that traffic using the left lane must yield to traffic wishing to overtake. The United States Uniform Vehicle Code states:

Upon all roadways any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic ...

The Massachusetts Institute of Technology's website on "Keep Right Laws" points out that:

This law refers to the "normal" speed of traffic, not the "legal" speed of traffic. The 60 MPH driver in a 55 MPH zone where everybody else is going 65 MPH must move right..."[3]

It is also illegal in many states in the U.S. to use the "far left" or passing lane on a major highway as a travelling lane (as opposed to passing), or to fail to yield to faster moving traffic that is attempting to overtake in that lane. For example, Colorado's "Left Lane Law" states:

A person shall not drive a motor vehicle in the passing lane of a highway if the speed-limit is sixty-five miles per hour or more unless such person is passing other motor-vehicles that are in a non-passing lane...[4]

Other examples, such as Massachusetts (General Statute 89-4B),[citation needed] New Jersey, Maine, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and others, make it illegal to fail to yield to traffic that seeks to overtake in the left lane,[citation needed] or to create any other "obstruction" in the passing lane that hinders the flow of traffic. As a result, heavy trucks are often prohibited from using the passing lane.

A common problem arising from misuse of the "fast lane" is that it forces faster moving traffic that wishes to overtake on the left to change lanes, do so on the right, and then change lanes again. Further, if the vehicle misusing the passing lane is going slower than the flow of other traffic, it forces those using the middle "travel" lane (but who are moving faster) to pass on the right as well, even though they have no intention of doing so.

A driver hoping to pass a slow motorist in the "fast lane" is stuck in an awkward situation. One strategy is to signal a lane change toward the center median. Another is to flash headlights. A third, which sacrifices safety, is to drive very close to the "fast lane" driver's bumper (this is known as tailgating). In Germany it is common to signal a lane change toward the center of the road, as if there were another lane to the left of the "fast lane".

Most commonly, motorists will attempt to overtake the outer car on the inner lane either to continue at a fast pace or to pass a car that is simply going too slow in the passing lane. For high-capacity multilane freeways (three or more lanes per direction), many motorists often pass on the inner lane, largely in response to misuse of the "passing lane" by slower traffic."

Ohio Revised Code, paying attention to 4511.25 (B)(1)

Ohio Revised Code Title [45] Chapter 4511: TRAFFIC LAWS - OPERATION OF MOTOR VEHICLES.

4511.25 Lanes of travel upon roadways of sufficient width.

(A) Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle or trackless trolley shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:

(1) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or when making a left turn under the rules governing such movements;

(2) When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the highway; provided, any person so doing shall yield the right of way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the highway within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard;

(3) When driving upon a roadway divided into three or more marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon;

(4) When driving upon a roadway designated and posted with signs for one-way traffic;

(5) When otherwise directed by a police officer or traffic control device.

(B)(1) Upon all roadways any vehicle or trackless trolley proceeding at less than the prevailing and lawful speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, and far enough to the right to allow passing by faster vehicles if such passing is safe and reasonable, except under any of the following circumstances:

(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle or trackless trolley proceeding in the same direction ;

(b) When preparing for a left turn;

(c) When the driver must necessarily drive in a lane other than the right-hand lane to continue on the driver’s intended route.

(2) Nothing in division (B)(1) of this section requires a driver of a slower vehicle to compromise the driver’s safety to allow overtaking by a faster vehicle.

(C) Upon any roadway having four or more lanes for moving traffic and providing for two-way movement of traffic, no vehicle or trackless trolley shall be driven to the left of the center line of the roadway, except when authorized by official traffic control devices designating certain lanes to the left of the center of the roadway for use by traffic not otherwise permitted to use the lanes, or except as permitted under division (A)(2) of this section.

This division shall not be construed as prohibiting the crossing of the center line in making a left turn into or from an alley, private road, or driveway.

(D) Except as otherwise provided in this division, whoever violates this section is guilty of a minor misdemeanor. If, within one year of the offense, the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to one predicate motor vehicle or traffic offense, whoever violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. If, within one year of the offense, the offender previously has been convicted of two or more predicate motor vehicle or traffic offenses, whoever violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the third degree.

Effective Date: 01-01-2004; 09-21-2006

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define "old fart"

In 2008 at the tender age of 65 I and a 71 year old man drove from Tampa to Fairbanks Alaska, 12600 round trip, as far as we know we didn't kill anyone here or in Canada, nor did we hit a moose or a squirrel, neither one of us wear glasses for driving.

The only “old fart” in that trip was when we passed gas inside the truck cabin and in the trailer we towed.

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So tell me about

flaco wrote:

In 2008 at the tender age of 65 I and a 71 year old man drove from Tampa to Fairbanks Alaska, 12600 round trip, as far as we know we didn't kill anyone here or in Canada, nor did we hit a moose or a squirrel, neither one of us wear glasses for driving.

The only “old fart” in that trip was when we passed gas inside the truck cabin and in the trailer we towed.

Were the windows open? I hope so smile

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Slow down

Sorry for the late response but I have only until 11 am daily to do necessary things for after that is NCAA Basketball until 11pm. It is great to be retired.
I shall try to take each question one at a time.
1) Nowhere in the United States is there a legal "Fast Lane". It is an invention by idiots who want to speed and not be hindered. The speed limit is the same in all lanes unlike in many other counties'
2) My Prius has a speed cutoff at 103mph so I would probably travel across the country faster then the overpriced gazillion horse powered SUV if we both followed the speed limit for I would not be stopping that many times to refuel. My acceleration can give many other cars a run for their money but why should I race to the next red light only to be beside a car that beat be to the stop. Oh yes! My engine shuts off when I stop until the light changes..
3) If I saw a police car or ambulance approaching behind me I would certainly move aside to let it pass me. Those laws stated are to punish people who do not move over for emergency vehicles. Just try to explain to a judge that the person in front of you did not move over so that you could break the law.
4) I do not worry about road rage for those imbeciles would get angry at a lot of other things. If I lived that idiot would be supporting me for many years and if I didn't my children and grandchildren would have a financial guarantee.
5) Those laws telling us to drive on the right are only in the country and the fines are for people who do not move over are for emergency vehicles. Several years ago you would have trouble finding signs telling you that it is state law to move over for emergency vehicles. In those regulations listed "What was the fine for disobeying?" In Iowa the only fine enforced is for not moving over for emergency vehicles.
Yesterday while doing a wine run across town to make sure I had enough for this weekend games and driving in the left lane an idiot pulled up behind me, blinked his lights as if it meant something so I slowed down and all four lanes were occupied. When the opportunity arrived he passed me on the right and showed me his IQ finger so I smiled and waved to him. I pulled up beside him at my exit and waved again while my engine was shut off and his was running.
Happy driving.

It seems your post was cut off....

kurzemnieks wrote:

Sorry for the late response but I have only until 11 am daily to do necessary things for after that is NCAA Basketball until 11pm. It is great to be retired.
I shall try to take each question one at a time.
1) Nowhere in the United States is there a legal "Fast Lane". It is an invention by idiots who want to speed and not be hindered. The speed limit is the same in all lanes unlike in many other counties'
2) My Prius has a speed cutoff at 103mph so I would probably travel across the country faster then the overpriced gazillion horse powered SUV if we both followed the speed limit for I would not be stopping that many times to refuel. My acceleration can give many other cars a run for their money but why should I race to the next red light only to be beside a car that beat be to the stop. Oh yes! My engine shuts off when I stop until the light changes..
3) If I saw a police car or ambulance approaching behind me I would certainly move aside to let it pass me. Those laws stated are to punish people who do not move over for emergency vehicles. Just try to explain to a judge that the person in front of you did not move over so that you could break the law.
4) I do not worry about road rage for those imbeciles would get angry at a lot of other things. If I lived that idiot would be supporting me for many years and if I didn't my children and grandchildren would have a financial guarantee.
5) Those laws telling us to drive on the right are only in the country and the fines are for people who do not move over are for emergency vehicles. Several years ago you would have trouble finding signs telling you that it is state law to move over for emergency vehicles. In those regulations listed "What was the fine for disobeying?" In Iowa the only fine enforced is for not moving over for emergency vehicles.
Yesterday while doing a wine run across town to make sure I had enough for this weekend games and driving in the left lane an idiot pulled up behind me, blinked his lights as if it meant something so I slowed down and all four lanes were occupied. When the opportunity arrived he passed me on the right and showed me his IQ finger so I smiled and waved to him. I pulled up beside him at my exit and waved again while my engine was shut off and his was running.
Happy driving.

I just read your post, and it seems to have been cut off. I did not see anywhere in the above message any laws that state it is legal to hang out in the left lane, only your opinions of what the law should be. Please repost with the actual facts stated in the code. I should also note that the LAW that I quoted applies to ALL vehicles, not just emergency.

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People like you

kurzemnieks wrote:

Sorry for the late response but I have only until 11 am daily to do necessary things for after that is NCAA Basketball until 11pm. It is great to be retired.
I shall try to take each question one at a time.
1) Nowhere in the United States is there a legal "Fast Lane". It is an invention by idiots who want to speed and not be hindered. The speed limit is the same in all lanes unlike in many other counties'
2) My Prius has a speed cutoff at 103mph so I would probably travel across the country faster then the overpriced gazillion horse powered SUV if we both followed the speed limit for I would not be stopping that many times to refuel. My acceleration can give many other cars a run for their money but why should I race to the next red light only to be beside a car that beat be to the stop. Oh yes! My engine shuts off when I stop until the light changes..
3) If I saw a police car or ambulance approaching behind me I would certainly move aside to let it pass me. Those laws stated are to punish people who do not move over for emergency vehicles. Just try to explain to a judge that the person in front of you did not move over so that you could break the law.
4) I do not worry about road rage for those imbeciles would get angry at a lot of other things. If I lived that idiot would be supporting me for many years and if I didn't my children and grandchildren would have a financial guarantee.
5) Those laws telling us to drive on the right are only in the country and the fines are for people who do not move over are for emergency vehicles. Several years ago you would have trouble finding signs telling you that it is state law to move over for emergency vehicles. In those regulations listed "What was the fine for disobeying?" In Iowa the only fine enforced is for not moving over for emergency vehicles.
Yesterday while doing a wine run across town to make sure I had enough for this weekend games and driving in the left lane an idiot pulled up behind me, blinked his lights as if it meant something so I slowed down and all four lanes were occupied. When the opportunity arrived he passed me on the right and showed me his IQ finger so I smiled and waved to him. I pulled up beside him at my exit and waved again while my engine was shut off and his was running.
Happy driving.

People like you wind up in very serious and difficult situations. I am very glad for you that you do not live in NY. Someone would undoubtedly make your life very unhappy.

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I second the idea

shrifty wrote:
johndhawk wrote:

I think all drivers could make a difference on the road as to safety if they (1)knew the laws, (2)knew how to observe and practice good driving skills (i.e. how to merge, using turn signals when changing lanes, safe following distance, etc), (3) kept a focus on the task at hand, (4) keep your vehicle in safe condition (tires, brakes, vision, etc.) (5) keep fresh (don't over-drive your alert capability.
Personally, I think all drivers, regardless of age should be tested periodically.

I agree with this, I think driving here could be much safer if everyone was tested to a high standard at least once every 10 years. If you can't pass, you can't drive.

I would go so far as to make it every five years beginning at age 65 and every year beginning at 75. My mother is driving at 86 and I am sure she could pass the test. I have no fear being a passenger with her driving her car. I have coworkers aged 64 that I will not get into any car they are driving.

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Bad driving not just limited to the older generation.

Double Tap wrote:
shrifty wrote:
johndhawk wrote:

I think all drivers could make a difference on the road as to safety if they (1)knew the laws, (2)knew how to observe and practice good driving skills (i.e. how to merge, using turn signals when changing lanes, safe following distance, etc), (3) kept a focus on the task at hand, (4) keep your vehicle in safe condition (tires, brakes, vision, etc.) (5) keep fresh (don't over-drive your alert capability.
Personally, I think all drivers, regardless of age should be tested periodically.

I agree with this, I think driving here could be much safer if everyone was tested to a high standard at least once every 10 years. If you can't pass, you can't drive.

I would go so far as to make it every five years beginning at age 65 and every year beginning at 75. My mother is driving at 86 and I am sure she could pass the test. I have no fear being a passenger with her driving her car. I have coworkers aged 64 that I will not get into any car they are driving.

I work with people in their 30s and 40s and would not get in a car with them. Bad driving occurs at all ages. I wish people would be more concerned about driving the vehicle than the countless number of distractions that I'm sure we have all seen.

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Arizona gives people

Arizona gives people licenses for a crazy # of years, like 30 years or something. No re-tests needed for long spans

Got you all beat! LOL!

There are people I wouldn't drive with even if it was in a TANK... That's how scary they are.

The fastest I have ever gone was 270 KPH (170 MPH) on my bike, and I was fine. Most folks I can't trust at 30... shock

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People are scary.

Juggernaut wrote:

There are people I wouldn't drive with even if it was in a TANK... That's how scary they are.

The fastest I have ever gone was 270 KPH (170 MPH) on my bike, and I was fine. Most folks I can't trust at 30... shock

I'd go a step further and say most people can't be trusted in anything but "P"....

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People like you wind up in very serious and difficult situations

I have driven quit a few times in NY and usualy am following slower cars in the left lane and I have to pass on the right. I do not demand that that they move over so I can break the law. I take my time to pass.

Driving

MrKenFL wrote:
MrKenFL wrote:

Going for my licenses renewal this morning - have to take the vision test this time as I'll be 75 for this renewal. Shouldn't be a problem since I had cataract surgery 4 years ago. Will probably get that "glasses required" stamp off my license.

Passed eye test ! NO glasses required now ! Man, with the states starting to get real stringent with regard to issuing licenses you wouldn't believe the documentation I had to submit even tho I've held a Flor-i-duh license for 13 years.
1. Old driver's license
2. Passport or Notarized Birth Certificate
3. Voter Registration card (to verify address)
4. Social Security Card
5. Another "card" with my photo on it.
6. My vehicle registration card (couldn't figure that one out)

Anyway - I'm good to go !

Amazing, most Floridans are very courteous drivers but the trans plants from the Northeast aren't so. Always think before you cut in front of a bus or truck. Why, it's easy to get into an accident as neither can stop instantly.

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and i am sure

kurzemnieks wrote:

I have driven quit a few times in NY and usualy am following slower cars in the left lane and I have to pass on the right. I do not demand that that they move over so I can break the law. I take my time to pass.

I am sure you were behind some old fart or a third world illegal alien without a license. Both are far to common here in NYC.

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Driving in NYC

Double Tap wrote:
kurzemnieks wrote:

I have driven quit a few times in NY and usualy am following slower cars in the left lane and I have to pass on the right. I do not demand that that they move over so I can break the law. I take my time to pass.

I am sure you were behind some old fart or a third world illegal alien without a license. Both are far to common here in NYC.

I was just in NYC last week around Flushing and JFK. I actually enjoy driving over there, as odd as it seems, it is quite relaxing to me. I usually head up almost once a week for work, typically to Queens and Brooklyn. There are the bad drivers as you have mentioned, would be nice to eliminate them from the roads.

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Old Farts - Humbug

I am an old fart ( 71 )

I drive a school bus M-F and a Charter Bus Weekends.

Had only one accident, that was the first 30 days of driving.

I love the idea of being tested every year. Both physically, and mentally.

REASON? Because, unlike the younger folks, I feel that due to being tested every year, I am more aware of the road, bus, rules and regs than those that are tested every 5 years.

It is estimated that the 75-80% of the regular drivers would not be able to pass a drivers test today. That is not the case of the elder professional driver.

I welcome the yearly testing. I am more alive and well because of it.

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Driving in NY

"I am sure you were behind some old fart or a third world illegal alien without a license. Both are far to common here in NYC."
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Actually I find that it was women or young people driving in the left lane.
I have never been able to tell if a person I am passing is "a third world illegal alien without a license". Could you give me some advice of how you do it. Is it "guilty until proven innocent"?
Maybe it is time we take down the Statue Of Liberty. I do remember my history classes in school.

agree!

agree!

You're My Type of Driver..!!

Aardvark wrote:

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Now "YOU'RE" my type of driver!! Thanks.

Nuvi1300WTGPS

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I'm not really lost.... just temporarily misplaced!

SS Card..?

It was stated in part..

MrKenFL wrote:

..with regard to issuing licenses you wouldn't believe the documentation I had to submit.

4. Social Security Card

I'm curious about the SS card. Mine says right on the front side at the bottom.. "For Social Security Purposes - Not For Identification"!!

So how can they (DMV) require you to show your SS card when it's against Federal Law to be using it for ID purposes?

Nuvi1300WTGPS

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Don't Ask, Don't Tell

Didn't even consider challenging - the lady asked me for my Social Security card along with the other stuff, I had it, I gave it to her, I have a renewed license.

That's the extent of my concern !

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Then you had a very poor teacher

kurzemnieks wrote:

"I am sure you were behind some old fart or a third world illegal alien without a license. Both are far to common here in NYC."
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Actually I find that it was women or young people driving in the left lane.
I have never been able to tell if a person I am passing is "a third world illegal alien without a license". Could you give me some advice of how you do it. Is it "guilty until proven innocent"?
Maybe it is time we take down the Statue Of Liberty. I do remember my history classes in school.

Then you had a very poor teacher.

The Statue of Liberty has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with immigration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty

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"Ceterum autem censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam" “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”

Statue of Liberty

I just read your idiotic statement and will jump on your case tomorrow. As an immigrant I find your response ignorant and lack of intelligence. My history teachers were much smarter than you.
I suggest you read what is written on the base of this statue which I know you have never seen.

"The Statue of Liberty has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with immigra

"Then you had a very poor teacher."
"The Statue of Liberty has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with immigration."

My history teachers were great. It is a shame you didn't pay attention in class.
Since its completion in 1886, every immigrant entering New York Harbor has passed this statue and after 1992 to 1954 they went to Ellis Island. I remember my parents having said no to Stalin's free one way vacation in Siberia entered the harbor and my mother picked me up and showed me the Statue of Liberty and said "We are now free".
I have visited the Island twice and both times thanked God for letting me be alive.
Every visitor going inside pass a plaque with this poem.

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Emma Lazarus, 1883

If this doesn't talk of immigration then I do not know what does.
Several years ago while doing a class about Photoshop we were told to make a montage So I made the following which I gave to my mother.
http://lacplesis.com/Immigrant.jpg and today it is above my computer.
It is a story about me. The whole picture is me at the age of 6 walking across our DP camp with the Statue of Liberty over imposed. our luxurious home was the second door from the left.
The top right is me at the age of 6 months. Below is the sign in front of the DP camp and below that is my "Green Card" from Ellis Island. The top Left is a picture of the ship we arrived on and over imposed is the record at Ellis Island. Below left is a photograph of the gate of the DP camp. Then there is the question "We left this for Amerika?"
My mother loved it.

Reaction Time Counts Too

Even though most States will check your eyesight they also should implement a test for reaction time for stopping and object avoidance.

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there will come a time when

there will come a time when everyone will be tested every 5 years or sooner depending on driving history. Just not the physical but the full driver recertification.

I stand by my statement

kurzemnieks wrote:

"Then you had a very poor teacher."
"The Statue of Liberty has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with immigration."

My history teachers were great. It is a shame you didn't pay attention in class.
Since its completion in 1886, every immigrant entering New York Harbor has passed this statue and after 1992 to 1954 they went to Ellis Island. I remember my parents having said no to Stalin's free one way vacation in Siberia entered the harbor and my mother picked me up and showed me the Statue of Liberty and said "We are now free".
I have visited the Island twice and both times thanked God for letting me be alive.
Every visitor going inside pass a plaque with this poem.

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Emma Lazarus, 1883

If this doesn't talk of immigration then I do not know what does.
Several years ago while doing a class about Photoshop we were told to make a montage So I made the following which I gave to my mother.
http://lacplesis.com/Immigrant.jpg and today it is above my computer.
It is a story about me. The whole picture is me at the age of 6 walking across our DP camp with the Statue of Liberty over imposed. our luxurious home was the second door from the left.
The top right is me at the age of 6 months. Below is the sign in front of the DP camp and below that is my "Green Card" from Ellis Island. The top Left is a picture of the ship we arrived on and over imposed is the record at Ellis Island. Below left is a photograph of the gate of the DP camp. Then there is the question "We left this for Amerika?"
My mother loved it.

The statue has nothing to do with immigration.

The New Colossus is a poem that Emma Lazarus wrote in response to a fund raising contest for the base of the statue. If you would take the time to read the article linked you will see that the Statue of Liberty has NOTHING to do with immigration.

But then again you probably don't want the facts to confuse you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty

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"Ceterum autem censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam" “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”

"The Statue of Liberty has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with immigra

I suggest you visit the statue and ask 100 visitors what it means to them and see what they say. When there open your ears and try to identify how many different languages you hear.
Facts are what I am interested in and it is a fact that the poem is on the base of that statue and quoted in many more reliable sources then what you mention.
It does not matter how or why the poem was written but it was the chosen one put on the base of it and all people entering it get a chance to read it.
I agree that the original idea of the statue was not immigration but today it is. The meaning has changed over its original intent.
This discussion is equivalent to right wing nuts trying to say that the USA is a Christian Nation.
I hope reality doesn't confuse you.

What it means to them?

kurzemnieks wrote:

I suggest you visit the statue and ask 100 visitors what it means to them and see what they say. When there open your ears and try to identify how many different languages you hear.
Facts are what I am interested in and it is a fact that the poem is on the base of that statue and quoted in many more reliable sources then what you mention.
It does not matter how or why the poem was written but it was the chosen one put on the base of it and all people entering it get a chance to read it.
I agree that the original idea of the statue was not immigration but today it is. The meaning has changed over its original intent.
This discussion is equivalent to right wing nuts trying to say that the USA is a Christian Nation.
I hope reality doesn't confuse you.

I live in Queens, NYC and have visited the Statue between 6-10 times in my life.

Of course it matters why the poem is there, and the poem has nothing to do with the Statue, it was the winner in a fund raising contest for the base provided by the American public that was needed to display the Statue. The poem also has nothing to do with why the French created the Statue and made the Statue a gift to the USA.

You sound like one of the people that believe that the US Constitution means what we want it to mean and not what the writers of the Constitution wrote or intended.

The Statue was NOT a gift to the USA as a symbol of immigration. The fortuitous placing of the Statue on Bedloe's Island (now named Liberty Island) near Ellis Island caused the meaning and intent of the Statue to become distorted by those that have a motive to bring about that change.

While I am not a Christian, the last time I looked it was the Christians that founded the USA, and I do NOT believe the USA is a Christian nation. However the principals of the Constitution are Judeo/Christian in origin.

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"Ceterum autem censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam" “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”

Old safer than young

spokybob wrote:

We elderly folk do not react as quickly as the younger, but we make up for that with experience and self-preservation techniques, such as slowing down and keeping a safe distance.

Plus they don't talk on their cellphones [assuming they own one smile ], text or put on make up while driving, I think some older people are safer drivers than some distracted and ignorant younger people out there that forget to turn on their turn-signals before changing lanes or turning...

OK

puchasr wrote:
spokybob wrote:

We elderly folk do not react as quickly as the younger, but we make up for that with experience and self-preservation techniques, such as slowing down and keeping a safe distance.

Plus they don't talk on their cellphones [assuming they own one smile ], text or put on make up while driving, I think some older people are safer drivers than some distracted and ignorant younger people out there that forget to turn on their turn-signals before changing lanes or turning...

Keeping a safe distance is wonderful, slowing down is dangerous for everyone else, it makes for a situation that forces others to pass in order to keep a proper traffic flow.

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"Ceterum autem censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam" “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”

I side with kurzemnieks

kurzemnieks wrote:

I suggest you visit the statue and ask 100 visitors what it means to them and see what they say. When there open your ears and try to identify how many different languages you hear.
Facts are what I am interested in and it is a fact that the poem is on the base of that statue and quoted in many more reliable sources then what you mention.
It does not matter how or why the poem was written but it was the chosen one put on the base of it and all people entering it get a chance to read it.
I agree that the original idea of the statue was not immigration but today it is. The meaning has changed over its original intent.
This discussion is equivalent to right wing nuts trying to say that the USA is a Christian Nation.
I hope reality doesn't confuse you.

DoubleTap says to read the Wikipedia link, which I did. The comment about fundraising is accurate but not particularly relevant if the poem was written in empathy for immigrants.

Here is the paragraph that sways my feelings

"Fundraising for the statue had begun in 1882. The committee organized a large number of money-raising events.[71] As part of one such effort, an auction of art and manuscripts, poet Emma Lazarus was asked to donate an original work. She initially declined, stating she could not write a poem about a statue. At the time, she was also involved in aiding refugees to New York who had fled anti-Semitic pogroms in eastern Europe. These refugees were forced to live in conditions that the wealthy Lazarus had never experienced. She saw a way to express her empathy for these refugees in terms of the statue. The resulting sonnet, "The New Colossus", including the iconic lines "Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free", is uniquely identified with the Statue of Liberty and is inscribed on a plaque in the museum in the base."

I also think that "liberty" is what is sought by those who immigrate here.

Speaking of facts....

kurzemnieks wrote:

I suggest you visit the statue and ask 100 visitors what it means to them and see what they say. When there open your ears and try to identify how many different languages you hear.
Facts are what I am interested in and it is a fact that the poem is on the base of that statue and quoted in many more reliable sources then what you mention.
It does not matter how or why the poem was written but it was the chosen one put on the base of it and all people entering it get a chance to read it.
I agree that the original idea of the statue was not immigration but today it is. The meaning has changed over its original intent.
This discussion is equivalent to right wing nuts trying to say that the USA is a Christian Nation.
I hope reality doesn't confuse you.

You seem to indicate in this post you like facts, but yet I have not seen any from you that show that it is ok to drive in the left lane when not passing, or that this only applies to emergency vehicles....

My guess is that you only like the facts that support your opinions, not all facts.

Tonight on my way home through the Special Place you haven't heard of in the US (Pennsylvania) and I saw someone who was driving in the left lane (not speeding or passing) get pulled over smile

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Queens

Double Tap wrote:

I live in Queens, NYC and have visited the Statue between 6-10 times in my life.

I travel to Queens almost on a weekly basis, many of the roads around there are terrible! And I thought we had bad roads in PA...

A few years ago my car was broken into around Northern Blvd, someone tried to steal my GPS. I kept my GPS in the hotel room, however I was foolish enough to leave the mount on the windshield. I had my window fixed for $100 just past Shea Stadium. Lesson learned, ALWAYS remove the GPS, mount, and clean off the circle left by the suction cup!

Always an adventure over there!

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