Multiple POIs on a Nuvi
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This topic has already been flogged to death; however having read all threads there is one issue which is still unclear to me:
Will Nuvi (e.g. models 7xx or 14xx) use multiple *.gpi files if it has them stored under different names in the x\garmin\poi directory on the device?
The previous discussions always recommend setting a “my-pois” main folder on the PC, then sub-folders according to POI category, and letting POI-Loader send the whole lot as a single poi.gpi file.
Intuitively I would like to do this differently: run POI-loader on each csv or gpx file separately. After each single run, I would like to rename the resulting poi.gpi on the device to something-meaningful.gpi before running the consecutive POI-Loader run. The end result will be multiple *.gpi files in x\garmin\poi directory. Will this work?
Yes see
Yes see http://www.poi-factory.com/node/16639
Charlie. Nuvi 265 WT and Nuvi 2597 LMT. MapFactor Navigator - Offline Maps & GPS.
Yes,
I agree with charlesd45
I do renames on all of my POI loads (even though sometimes I load a group - like restaurants).
Multiple POIS
I am brand new to this concept of managing new POIs - versus just using what comes with the GPS - question - and it probably will sound dumb - but if I add new GPI's to my Garmin Nuvi - does it overwrite the existing ones that were loaded at the factory? Or does it simply add the ones I add to the existing ones?
If it does overwrite, how do I avoid overwriting the ones already there?
thanks for the help and for not thinking it was a totally stupid question
Custom pois
Yes everytime you run poiloader it overwrites the existing custom pois.Unless you use the re-naming method http://www.poi-factory.com/node/16639 .
You may want to look at this for custom pois http://www.poi-factory.com/node/25721 .
Also http://www.poi-factory.com/node/28521 for building alert distance into gpx files so you can run poiloader in express mode instead of manual.Using Extra Poi Editor will be a tool that will help you in many ways for your custom pois and managing your favorites.
Charlie. Nuvi 265 WT and Nuvi 2597 LMT. MapFactor Navigator - Offline Maps & GPS.
It will not overwrite the factory installed POI's
I am brand new to this concept of managing new POIs - versus just using what comes with the GPS - question - and it probably will sound dumb - but if I add new GPI's to my Garmin Nuvi - does it overwrite the existing ones that were loaded at the factory? Or does it simply add the ones I add to the existing ones?
If it does overwrite, how do I avoid overwriting the ones already there?
thanks for the help and for not thinking it was a totally stupid question
It will not overwrite the factory installed POI's, only the custom POI's that you have previously installed yourself.
Tight lines
Right on
Thanks for catching that fish4fun .I overlooked the internal custom poi part.
Charlie. Nuvi 265 WT and Nuvi 2597 LMT. MapFactor Navigator - Offline Maps & GPS.
Re: Multiple POIs on a Nuvi
Just to make sure there's no chance that this horse will recover from the flogging, I'll contribute to the positive answer. Yes, my Noovy 14xx does use multiple gpi files.
Here's how my files are laid out:
I have three primary categories (and GPI files with these names) and under each one more categories:
Because Garmin's POI Loader is broken, I have to run it three times to produce each GPI file but once done, I copy them to the Poi file in my Nooovy 14xx and they're ready for use.
They show up by their names under "Custom POI" and each one has a subcategory for each subdirectory and finally the GPX file is the last level of categories.
I could do pictures if it really was needed.
Does that help?
@ mtiernan
Thanks for taking the time to do the above.
Now, I hope you will take it a step farther.
Please look at your Where To? > Extras > Cumtom POIs and detail exactly what appears on the resulting screen. The first entry will be
All Categories
But we would be interested in what appears below that because you have said that you run POI Loader three (3) times because POI Loader is "broken". My feeling is that the "categories" - corresponding to the names of the folders - will appear as follows (I do not know the order but it should be related to the order in which POI Loader was run)
So my assumption is that there will be four (4) entries starting with "All Categories".
What is shown when you touch the "Functional and historical" category?
I have high level folder (call it whatever you like, because POI Loader does not care about or use the name) and underneath I have
Starting the "folder name" with "--" causes them to sort to the top of my Nuvi's list under "All Categories" meaning I run POI loader once. the Cameras POI file sirts below the others, but I am not going to be scrollong to that POI file anyway.
By the way, do you get unintended alerts for the files whose names contain a valid "number"?
Because
But we would be interested in what appears below that because you have said that you run POI Loader three (3) times because POI Loader is "broken". My feeling is that the "categories" - corresponding to the names of the folders - will appear as follows (I do not know the order but it should be related to the order in which POI Loader was run)
So my assumption is that there will be four (4) entries starting with "All Categories".
What is shown when you touch the "Functional and historical" category?
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I assume that mtiernan will answer you directly soon enough, but because I just can't resist participating in a good flogging ..
On my 765T it would look like
.. etc. (can't comment on the order)
And by 'broken' I'm assuming to mean that POILoader used to look more than one sub-folder deep but stopped at some point? I can't find my notes, but anyone know which version it stopped doing that? It might still look deeper with csv files but I haven't tried that lately.
It's about the Line- If a line can be drawn between the powers granted and the rights retained, it would seem to be the same thing, whether the latter be secured by declaring that they shall not be abridged, or that the former shall not be extended.
@ JD4x4
Would you have more than two levels total?
Re: The term "broken".
Last first.....
And by 'broken' I'm assuming to mean that POILoader used to look more than one sub-folder deep but stopped at some point?
Yes, the product, according to Garmin is supposed to support a large number (~32) of subdirectories. Currently, it only supports one subdirectory.
If this functionality was restored, I'd only need to run POI Loader once and get one file with all the lower GPX files combined into it in the structure.
Yes, & thanks
(deleted what I wrote because it clearly doesn't work in v2.5.4.0 as I remember it working!) I defer to mtiernan!
Guess I need to look through my software archives and experiment again when I get a chance.
It's about the Line- If a line can be drawn between the powers granted and the rights retained, it would seem to be the same thing, whether the latter be secured by declaring that they shall not be abridged, or that the former shall not be extended.
Re: Multiple POIs on a Nuvi
Thanks for taking the time to do the above.
You're welcome. Glad I can contribute some info to the group.
Now, [...] detail exactly what appears on the resulting screen.
Now y'see, I am a little unhappy about this part. Originally, the plan had been to have three (plus "All Categories") as you detailed but instead I get the lower levels: (The order shown is exactly what I get)
It took me a while to get them into an order that I like but haven't had the time to go backwards and try and figure out what the [mumble] has kept it from using the seconary directory in the process. I have them logically separated because I wanted to be able to update one without having to update the others. One of those subdirectories has > 10,000 POIs and I don't want to wait for it to do them.
I'm keeping them in this structure because I'm hoping that Garmin will get their [mumble] together and fix POI Loader sooner than later.
Two levels though, right?
mtiernan- Your unit's list looks like this, correct?
.. etc.
I just went back and checked POILoader versions 242, 251, 252, and 253 and none of them go deeper than 1 subfolder, so I must have been dreaming about levels deeper than 2.
(or 3 if you consider the individual poi's 
)
It's about the Line- If a line can be drawn between the powers granted and the rights retained, it would seem to be the same thing, whether the latter be secured by declaring that they shall not be abridged, or that the former shall not be extended.
Thinking out loud
I want you to try this if you will.
Create a new folder on your computer. Call it MyExpressPOI.
Navigate to that folder and create three (3) new folders under it. Call them
--Functional and historical
--Misc Attractions
--Reference points.
Into each of these three new folders, COPY (not move so you keep your original POI directory tree intact) the files (not folders) that you show above in a previous post.
--Functional and historical will have 22 files (11 gpx and 11 bmp)
--Misc Attractions will have 9 files (4 gpx, 4 bmp and 1 wav)
--Reference points will have 22 files (11 gpx, 10 bmp and 1 wav)
Then, start up POILoader, point it to the folder MyExpressPOI, and run it in "Express" mode.
I think what you will then see is
Under each of the "--" three categories will be the POI files (in alphabetical order, i think) contained in the folder by that name.
Assuming this is the case, then you can decide how best to use what POILoader gives you.
I think the trick is that the name of the folder you point POILoader to is not used like one might think it would be.
For information sake, I am running POILoader version 2.5.4.0 created 9/17/2009.
Re: Thinking out loud
I want you to try this if you will.
That's the same layout that Gary Hayman uses on his blog.
Yes it will work as you suggest but it will create one MASSIVE POI file which I am not fond of doing. Like I said before, creating a set of smaller files is more along the lines of what I am hoping for but am putting up with the current limitations of the broken POI Loader because it's not impacting my use of the unit yet.
The other reason for multiple files, as I'd mentioned to Mr Hayman was that I plan to save the very static POIs, photos, routes, etc. on an add-in memory card. The reason for doing the static ones as opposed to the dynamic ones is to reduce the writes to the micro-SD card which impacts its longevity.
(For those unaware of this issue, you can read more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory#Memory_wear )
Re: Two levels though, right?
mtiernan- Your unit's list looks like this, correct?
No, sadly it doesn't. I guess you could call this "one and a half" levels. Here's the exact list as shown on my system:
Hey Garmin! Are your ears ringing?
I've got other stuff to play with so this hasn't been a big deal for me at the moment. As time goes on I'll be doing more about it.
Other Thoughts
Yes it will work as you suggest but it will create one MASSIVE POI file which I am not fond of doing. Like I said before, creating a set of smaller files is more along the lines of what I am hoping for but am putting up with the current limitations of the broken POI Loader because it's not impacting my use of the unit yet.
Having spent many years in Information Technology, I would argue that POILoader is not "broken" but rather is not doing something that some of us wish it would - namely allow more "levels" of folders.
However, let's try something else.
When you get to the screen with all Categories as the top entry, there is the option to "Spell". If one takes this option and then begins to spell, in your case say, "Offbeat", the sub-category will pop up for you to select. This is not significantly different from 'scrolling" to a category on the a later screen (since each gives only four choices) and then selecting category to get to a sub-category.
Have you tried this with your current POI setup?
Re: Other Thoughts
Having spent many years in Information Technology
Ditto. UNIX Systems Engineer > 20+yrs
I would argue that POILoader is not "broken" but rather is not doing something that some of us wish it would
Sorry, it's broken by definition of Garmin itself.
Having informed them of the limitiation it exhibits, they have reported that this is broken since it is supposed to support ~32 levels of subdirectories.
Resoution to this problem is TBD.
Where do they say this?
Having informed them of the limitiation it exhibits, they have reported that this is broken since it is supposed to support ~32 levels of subdirectories.
Resoution to this problem is TBD.
I thought that the limit of 32 was the number of sub-directories at the lower level - not a depth of 32 levels. Where did they report this?
Something, anyway?
No, sadly it doesn't. I guess you could call this "one and a half" levels. Here's the exact list as shown on my system:
...
Just wanted to clarify that it was what I'd call two levels.. meaning you see 'expandable' items (albeit individual pois) under Historic Ships & Lighthouses like this, yes?
I've been able to at least get that on my 295W and 765T by pointing POILoader to the folder above "Historic Ships and Lighthouses".
Maybe it's 'one and a half', but it's something for now anyway and it's a little more flexible (if you rename each) than one huge .gpi, eh?
It's about the Line- If a line can be drawn between the powers granted and the rights retained, it would seem to be the same thing, whether the latter be secured by declaring that they shall not be abridged, or that the former shall not be extended.