POI destination from POILoader

 

I'm new to the nuvi series and would like to tinker around with some of the POI files.

I've read the beginner/newbie instructions and understand the process, but haven't see the POI destination specifically addressed.

I have a microSD card in my 1690 and plan to put my POI files there unless there's an operational penalty in doing so.

I've not used POILOader before... when it's time to select a destination for the compiled POI files, is there a specific directory folder that I need to select or will POILoader put it where it needs to go if I select either the GPS itself or the microSD card as the destination?

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POI destination

When POI Loader is started and it finds the Garmin you will get to choose a location. Default is the main drive. Click on the dropdown menu to choose the sd card. The poi files will be put in the "extras" location on the Garmin.

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On the SD

On the SD you will need x:\Garmin\poi. The SD has to mimic the folder structure of the main unit.

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SD or main unit?

I have a 1690 if that makes a difference.

Do the files go in the root of the main device and somewhere else for the SD card? The main device has one file in the \garmin folder: GarminDevice.xml.

The two posts above seem to say different things.

Here's the file structure of my 1690. The E:\ drive is my SD card. I stored some extra vehicles in the \vehicle folder over there.
http://imgur.com/vvUsM.png

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The poi data is stored at

The poi data is stored at Garmin\Poi\ Directory.

Just create the Garmin\Poi directory and ask poiloader to save to your sd card drive. No need to specify directory.

POI destination folder

Honva wrote:

The poi data is stored at Garmin\Poi\ Directory.

Just create the Garmin\Poi directory and ask poiloader to save to your sd card drive. No need to specify directory.

Sorry to be so obtuse, but if there's no need to specify the directory, why is it necessary to create the \Garmin\POI folder?

Or are you saying that by creating that folder (on both the unit and the SD card?), POILoader recognizes and selects it automagically?

To summarize, if I choose the unit for the destination, I need to create a \Garmin\POI folder.

If I choose the SD card for the destination, I need to create a \Garmin\POI folder.

Is that correct?

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POI folder

To answer my own question, I navigated to Garmin.com and signed up for a trial version of their Cyclop's safety camera (free trial for 30 days).

I d/l to both my SD card and the unit. It created a Poi folder in the root of each destination. (\Poi)

So I didn't need to create a Poi folder in advance. I assume that POILoader works in the same manner.

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performance difference?

Is there any performance difference in storing the POIs on the SD card instead of the unit? (I have a class 6 microSD card, if that matters). IE, does the GPS respond slower to data stored on the SD card vs data stored on the unit?

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needless steps

speedlever wrote:

To answer my own question, I navigated to Garmin.com and signed up for a trial version of their Cyclop's safety camera (free trial for 30 days).

I d/l to both my SD card and the unit. It created a Poi folder in the root of each destination. (\Poi)

So I didn't need to create a Poi folder in advance. I assume that POILoader works in the same manner.

I never created any folders on my SD card. I chose the card as the destination and poi loader did the rest. My files are all in 1 main folder (as suggested here on this forum) and I point to the main folder and poiloader does the rest.

As for performance. The card (in my opinion) is for the extra poi's and maps. There is just not enough room on the main drive. I have seen no discernible lack in access time.

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No real difference.

speedlever wrote:

Is there any performance difference in storing the POIs on the SD card instead of the unit? (I have a class 6 microSD card, if that matters). IE, does the GPS respond slower to data stored on the SD card vs data stored on the unit?

You wouldn't notice the difference in response time, unless you have a stop watch that measures in nano seconds

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Some thoughts...

speedlever wrote:

Sorry to be so obtuse, but if there's no need to specify the directory, why is it necessary to create the \Garmin\POI folder?

Or are you saying that by creating that folder (on both the unit and the SD card?), POILoader recognizes and selects it automagically?

It's the limited Garmin OS that requires a specific directory structure. While the OS varies between different series, the directory structure seems to have remained fairly static. The older Nuvi line would not read a custom poi file unless it was in the \Garmin\poi directory. It didn't matter if it was on the main unit where it was stored by default, or o an external memory card. If it wasn't in that folder, it wasn't read.

speedlever wrote:

To summarize, if I choose the unit for the destination, I need to create a \Garmin\POI folder.

If I choose the SD card for the destination, I need to create a \Garmin\POI folder.

Is that correct?

That's pretty much it except for the main unit. The folder is there, it may be hidden on the 1XXX units. I don't know if the newer versions of POI Loader create the target directory if it is missing, the older versions did not. All my SD cards have the same folder structure as the main unit, so it makes no difference.

As another note on the subject, my unit has more than enough internal memory so I no longer store custom POI on the SD card. I've got better uses for that storage.

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Performance

d-moo70 wrote:

You wouldn't notice the difference in response time, unless you have a stop watch that measures in nano seconds

Thanks. My reference point was using a microSD card on some phones. Some of them take a performance hit when certain files are stored on the SD card vs the main memory. Good to know performance is unaffected on the GPS.

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\garmin folder

Box Car wrote:

It's the limited Garmin OS that requires a specific directory structure. While the OS varies between different series, the directory structure seems to have remained fairly static. The older Nuvi line would not read a custom poi file unless it was in the \Garmin\poi directory. It didn't matter if it was on the main unit where it was stored by default, or o an external memory card. If it wasn't in that folder, it wasn't read.

That's pretty much it except for the main unit. The folder is there, it may be hidden on the 1XXX units. I don't know if the newer versions of POI Loader create the target directory if it is missing, the older versions did not. All my SD cards have the same folder structure as the main unit, so it makes no difference.

As another note on the subject, my unit has more than enough internal memory so I no longer store custom POI on the SD card. I've got better uses for that storage.

There was no POI folder in my GPS file structure until I got the POI file from Garmin. Perhaps things have changed in the 1xxx line... or at least in the 1690.

Am I confusing your \Garmin\poi as \unit\poi? I have Garmin (as a drive) and Garmin (as a folder inside the Garmin drive).

When I deleted unused voices, vehicles, etc, I ended up with around 400 Mb free on my 2Gb unit. At this point, the microSD card is superfluous. It may become needed at some later point.

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Confused

speedlever wrote:

To answer my own question, I navigated to Garmin.com and signed up for a trial version of their Cyclop's safety camera (free trial for 30 days).

I d/l to both my SD card and the unit. It created a Poi folder in the root of each destination. (\Poi)

So I didn't need to create a Poi folder in advance. I assume that POILoader works in the same manner.

I make a distinction between "downloading" a POI file and using POI loader to use that downloaded file as source for creating "custom POIs" under "Extras" on my 765T.

Have you actually installed the Cyclop file?

Installed?

jgermann wrote:

I make a distinction between "downloading" a POI file and using POI loader to use that downloaded file as source for creating "custom POIs" under "Extras" on my 765T.

Have you actually installed the Cyclop file?

I think so. When I got the file it had me connect the GPS to the computer and it put the POI file in the destination I specified (SD card). I then decided to get it again but this time specified the unit as the destination.

Is there any more to it than that? How can I tell if the file is "installed" or not?

Getting the Cyclops file from Garmin did not involve the POILoader program (that I am aware of).

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my dir structure..

speedlever wrote:

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Am I confusing your \Garmin\poi as \unit\poi? I have Garmin (as a drive) and Garmin (as a folder inside the Garmin drive).

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It's too early for me to read the whole thread, so I'm not sure! But on my 765 & 200 the structure is Garmin nuvi [drive, root folder] > Garmin [subfolder] > POI, gpx, etc [subfolders]. Unit or card, same-o, same-o.

Each unit differs in what they recognize in which folders it seems and I haven't documented each 100% yet.

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But why worry about it?

JD4x4 wrote:
speedlever wrote:

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Am I confusing your \Garmin\poi as \unit\poi? I have Garmin (as a drive) and Garmin (as a folder inside the Garmin drive).

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It's too early for me to read the whole thread, so I'm not sure! But on my 765 & 200 the structure is Garmin nuvi [drive, root folder] > Garmin [subfolder] > POI, gpx, etc [subfolders]. Unit or card, same-o, same-o.

Each unit differs in what they recognize in which folders it seems and I haven't documented each 100% yet.

Does it make any difference? What works for one series may not apply to another. If you can load custom POI and they display under Extras do you care about where the file is?

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I don't..

Box Car wrote:

Does it make any difference? What works for one series may not apply to another. If you can load custom POI and they display under Extras do you care about where the file is?

I only care about how mine handle them as well.
It was simply an answer to what I thought was a question.

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Garmin POIs installed?

Box Car wrote:

Does it make any difference? What works for one series may not apply to another. If you can load custom POI and they display under Extras do you care about where the file is?

Ah.. so that's how I know if they've been installed? Let me check...
Hmm.. says no extras are loaded.

I didn't see any instructions on the download page about doing anything other than connecting the nuvi and d/l the free trial to the device. Looks like there's some missing info that I need in order to implement the free trial I signed up for. What am I missing?

Here's what I got.

Cyclops™ Safety Cameras - U.S. & Canada
Part Number: 010-11531-00
Downloadable

I would post a link but it goes to an https site.

Edit: when I go to tools/settings/system/about I can scroll down and find a block under Voices that is entitled, "Extras and Safety Cameras." When I press that, it says Cyclops US + Canada Data. And yet when I do Where to/extras, it says no extras are loaded.

Sign me confused...

Edit 2: here's a link:
http://www.garmin.com/garmin/cms/cache/offonce/us/extras/ser...

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maybe they are there

I just played with d/ling a free trial and the communicator indeed wanted me to attach my Nuvi - which is on vacation with my daughter - so I had to abort the process.

However, looked to me like Garmin was going to install the file for him.

Maybe trying GPS Simulation near a known traffic camera would issue the alert.

Garmin Cyclops safety camera trial

I tried it twice without being able to find anything under extras. I d/l it to both my SD card and the nuvi. When it d/l the file, I see a *.gpi file in the poi folder (which it creates). But I don't see anything under extras.

Not having any luck the first time, I got another safety camera file and it showed up normally under extras. Then I saw your post and decided to try the Cyclops file again, but had the same result as the first time.

In the end, I just deleted the poi folder from both the card and the device (as I could see some old files remaining from the different POI uploads) and started over with the non-Cyclops safety camera file. This one shows under extras as expected.

BTW, I assume the poi file is a read only file and is safe to just delete in order to start over. I understand that uploading a new POI list will also replace the poi file.

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Location

Garmin says:
"Where is the Safety Camera data stored on my device?

Answer:
Information will be available on your device once you have successfully downloaded the Safety Camera database to your device.

For nuvi devices, turn the device on and follow these steps:

Select Tools
Select Setting
Select System
Select About
Select the Extras & Safety Cameras option
When this option is selected, the Cyclops database information should be listed. This means that the information has been successfully added to your device.

For other devices, including zumo units, turn on your device and follow these steps:

Select Tools
Select Settings
Select Proximity Points
Select Change
The Garmin Safety Cameras should be displayed on your device in this location. You can also disable or enable the alerts at any time from this locaiton.

Links referenced in this article:

Safety Camera page: http://www.garmin.com/garmin/cms/cache/offonce/us/extras/ser...

Last modified on: 04/21/2010 "

solved?

jgermann wrote:

Garmin says:
"Where is the Safety Camera data stored on my device?

Answer:
Information will be available on your device once you have successfully downloaded the Safety Camera database to your device.

For nuvi devices, turn the device on and follow these steps:

Select Tools
Select Setting
Select System
Select About
Select the Extras & Safety Cameras option
When this option is selected, the Cyclops database information should be listed. This means that the information has been successfully added to your device.

For other devices, including zumo units, turn on your device and follow these steps:

Select Tools
Select Settings
Select Proximity Points
Select Change
The Garmin Safety Cameras should be displayed on your device in this location. You can also disable or enable the alerts at any time from this locaiton.

Links referenced in this article:

Safety Camera page: http://www.garmin.com/garmin/cms/cache/offonce/us/extras/ser...

Last modified on: 04/21/2010 "

From the posts it appears as if you were specifically asking about the Cyclops database while Box Car and others were responding about POI in general. I can think of one other package offered by Garmin that loads similar to their cameras, MAD Maps. My understanding is this also loads into its own category under Extras so you would show menu entries of "Custom POI" and "Mad Maps." Now my unit doesn't support the Mad maps, so I've never attempted to buy or load them. Perhaps someone with them can confirm - MM perhaps?

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Feedback

There have been several mentions of the Cyclops file and my hope is that we can learn exactly what happens when it is loaded to a GPS.

It seems that it does not show up in Extras like POI files from POI Factory that we D/L and load. If not, then where?

Thanks jgermann. I had

Thanks jgermann. I had checked that info already and saw that under tools/settings/system/about/extras and safety cameras it shows the Cyclops data. I didn't see any way to select or unselect it.

I just assumed it should also show up under extras as would regular custom POIs.

One thing... there are 3 files that are loaded in the destination folder:
safety_camera_us_canada.gma
same.gpi
same.unl

So maybe it really did install properly and I just didn't know how to find it on my new nuvi.

Be that as it may, I still don't know how to find it. I also snagged the Garmin Cyclops help file... but it just seems to be download instructions.

IAC, I deleted the poi folder and started all over with a good file that shows up where I expect it to!

Another btw.. I have discovered one negative to loading the POIs on the microSD card... every time I fire up the GPS I get a nag screen asking if I want to transfer the POIs to the device in case I choose to remove the data card. Is there any way to disable that nag screen? If not, I may just yield to the nag msg to get rid of it.

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response

a_user, you are correct that I started out generic in my questions. It migrated to a discussion about the Cyclops POIs due to my expectation that it would show up like any other custom POI file. (apparently not).

Seems my first foray into the world of custom POIs was a bust as I tried to use a file that must not conform to the standard custom POI profile.

It would be easy enough for me to load it back on my 1690, but last time I did, I still had the other safety camera POI file showing.

I don't know how to know if the Cyclops file actually installed properly. That's why I just deleted all poi folders on my nuvi and on the data card and started over.

I have an email in to Garmin about it... but we all know that will likely take days to get a response.

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Speedlever, keep posting

and you will soon get access to the POI factory traffic camera which will be kept up-to-date by the many members of this site who quickly note any changes.

Many of us learn new facts when trying to help each other. As you can imagine, the question often shows up again so better answers can be given the second time around.

BACKUP - if you have not already done so. Whenever we read of someome deleting files worry that a current backup does not exist.

frequent posting!

Heheh. There is that!

Good advice about the backup. That was the first thing I did when I got my 1690. Fortunately, I'd read enough to at least get that done before I risked bricking it.

I'll eventually sort this out and will, as usual, find out it's not near as complicated as it seems at first blush.

I think I've also learned that different nuvies store the POIs in different folders, else I've misunderstood what I've read. I can only say that the 1690 stores them in the \poi folder... in the root.

Now... anyone know how to disable that nag screen caused by putting my poi file on the SD card?

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Check available memory on the 1690

speedlever wrote:

Now... anyone know how to disable that nag screen caused by putting my poi file on the SD card?

Put the poi files on the GPS itself. I would suspect that you have plenty of internal memory.

Nagging SD Card

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ghayman3/garmin.gps/index.html

go to gary's site and you can learn alot of different things One is how to stop the screen from comming up about your card each time you turn it on.

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killing the nag screen

I've been searching that site for the nag screen kill but haven't found it yet. Any tips on what to search for?

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i don't think you can

speedlever wrote:

I've been searching that site for the nag screen kill but haven't found it yet. Any tips on what to search for?

I don't think you can on the 1XXX series. You can on the 3 digit series but I haven't heard of anyone having success on the new 4 digit series.

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nag screen

I believe you're right Box Car. I don't have the checkbox that other nuvis have to disable that.

Seems the advantage of leaving the POI folder on the SD card is the ability to have the POI files merged if there's another POI file with a different name on the unit. Do I understand correctly?

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installation of Cyclops POI file

speedlever wrote:

a_user, you are correct that I started out generic in my questions. It migrated to a discussion about the Cyclops POIs due to my expectation that it would show up like any other custom POI file. (apparently not).

Seems my first foray into the world of custom POIs was a bust as I tried to use a file that must not conform to the standard custom POI profile.

It would be easy enough for me to load it back on my 1690, but last time I did, I still had the other safety camera POI file showing.

I don't know how to know if the Cyclops file actually installed properly. That's why I just deleted all poi folders on my nuvi and on the data card and started over.

I have an email in to Garmin about it... but we all know that will likely take days to get a response.

Following up on this, I received an email from Garmin TS this morning about this issue. Here is the explanation:

"The reason you are not able to see the Cyclops Safety Camera under the extras under where to is because that is not where is stored after the download. If you have successfully installed the Cyclops Safety Camera region to your device but are not seeing the feature you may check the following areas. Information will be available on your device once you have successfully downloaded the Safety Camera database to your device.

For Nuvi devices, turn the device on and follow these steps:

1. Select Tools
2. Select Setting
3. Select System
4. Select About
5. Select the Extras & Safety Cameras option

When this option is selected, the Cyclops database information should be listed. This means that the information has been successfully added to your device. The Garmin Safety Cameras should be displayed on your device in this location. You can also disable or enable the alerts at any time from this location."

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I suggested that Garmin add this information to the installation instructions so that a new user will know what to expect since it doesn't install like a typical custom POI.

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speedlever

Thanks for the follow up.

multiple POI files

speedlever wrote:

I believe you're right Box Car. I don't have the checkbox that other nuvis have to disable that.

Seems the advantage of leaving the POI folder on the SD card is the ability to have the POI files merged if there's another POI file with a different name on the unit. Do I understand correctly?

It doesn't matter where the files are, you can have multiples as long as the extension remains the same. Restaurants.GPI and Hotels.GPI will bot show in extras. You just can't have two poi.GPI on the same medium.

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multiple POI files

Gotcha Box Car. Thanks for the clarification.

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