Ticket cameras banned

'The commissioners took the action after noting "an absence of convincing proof that the devices truly make the streets and highways safer for motorists."'

I defy anyone to prove otherwise. There is no definitive proof that cameras are a benefit to anyone except those that collect the $$.

Ticket Cameras at totally un-american.. BANN THEM and Support the Troops.. otherwise you support nazi-ism

Nazi-ism?

He probably means "Statism", and yes we should support the troops. Bring them home alive and in one piece.

Speed cameras definitely help some folks. For one, those who would otherwise have to pay higher property taxes. Also, for some who like for vehicles on the road to slow down some. Drivers' speed here has gradually creeped up over the past few years, and it would be nice for them to slow back down--to near the speed limit at least. In our neighborhood we have an active police force and they do help keep traffic at reasonable speeds--when they're out on the highway writing tickets. When not, many drivers are driving the 2-lane roads greater than 10 mph over the limit. We don't have cameras.

I'm not in favor of speed cameras, but not quite so vehemently so opposed either.

I hate red light/speed cameras but in school zones I could live with speed cams operating during school hours only.

I am confused by American English. The first paragraphs of the given reference read

The first para says red-light cameras etc. no longer will be approved.

The second para says the policy will allow the DOT to limit or prohibit the use of rlc etc.

The Commission is banning rlc, but DOT are allowed to continue their use.

What do you expect from a TV reporter? Coherent sound bites?

KRQE is a local television news station in Albuquerque, New Mexico. It is a CBS network affiliate and broadcasts digitally on channel 13. KRQE is currently owned by LIN TV and is sister station to KASA-TV.

Have police in school zones and arrest the severe violators. That is a much better deterrent than a photo ticket.

but someone beat me to it. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ca-police-decoy-is-all-kind...

Ticket Cameras
un-american?
Nazi-ism?
Okay time to visit the doctor, he has medicine for your anti government thoughts and bring you back toward he center.

Support the troops I'm with you on that one!

I am with you.
I beleive we are losing all of our liberties that made this country great. Goodbye to the Constitution.

Actually I do. Though I do admit. these days it's becoming more of a hope than an expectation.
I think everyone that is paid to communicate, TV, print or whatever, should use clear, unambiguous language. If I have to guess what is meant, then it is meaningless and there is no communication.
Ah well, even if the public continues to tolerate such mis-use, I will continue to expect (hope) for better.

Driving on a public road is a privilege, not a right. Obey the law or face the consequences.

Well, that's the problem... it wasn't always so. Use of the roads used to be a right.

Used to be a right to not submit your thumb/fingerprint to get a license... No longer (in California for example.)

It's because old folk die off that rights get so easily eroded.

My father told me so when I was a youngster... and now I'm seeing it myself.

Same here,,,

whoohoooo! I am glad now Arizona needs to follow NM!

It's driving that is the privilege.

That's the problem with cameras. You can be in a hospital having quadruple bypass surgery while a family member is driving your car. Car gets zapped by a camera, guess who gets the ticket?

Also the city / state changed speeding from a criminal offense to a civil offense which among other things changes the burden of proof.

Ozme52 is actually correct. Driving on a public road was a right, not merely a privilege.
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/orphaned_right.pdf

Protest all you want...
Split hairs over the word "use of the roads" and "driving" all you want...

The erosion of your right into a privilege starting in the late 50's.

Here's an interesting commentary.

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/DrivingRi...

Edit: thanx Seneca

Yes Police need to be at school zones, construction zones, and high crime/drug dealer areas. I almost got run over in a school zone with flashing yellow lights, school buses and crossing guards present!! I work for a utility and ALWAYS put my truck between me and the on-coming traffic when working alongside the road.

Ozme52,
would you care to comment on the "clarification" at the bottom of the article which said "The courts state that a Citizen has an unalienable right to travel freely. This includes the right to travel freely for one's own private need and enjoyment in an automobile on the public right of way. However, the term "motor vehicle" has a special meaning in the law, as does the term "driving". "Motor vehicles" are self-propelled devices used for "transport of persons and/or property on the highway". "Transport" means to move something in commerce. "Driving" is the act of controlling a "motor vehicle". All of these terms relate to specifically defined commercial use of the public right of way, and commercial use of publicly maintained property is not a right, but a privilege that can be taxed through licensure and registration."

You are right on!

It's a clarification that those terms are also used when describing the movement of commerce, which is not a right.

It tries to clarify the following statement made earlier in the article, but is strictly with regard to commerce.

This means that the "beliefs and opinions" our state legislators, the courts, and those of as involved in the law enforcement profession have acted upon for years have been in error. Researchers armed with actual facts state that U.S. case law is overwhelming in determining that - to restrict, in any fashion, the movement of the individual American in the free exercise of their right to travel upon the roadways, (excluding "commerce" which the state Legislatures are correct in regulating), is a serious breach of those
freedoms secured by the U.S. Constitution, and most state Constitutions, i.e - it is Unlawful.

Look, it's the Internet and any of us can find articles that support our own opinions. This one supports mine, which of course is correct.

And if you are in the hospital having quadruple bypass surgery, and a family member parks your car at a meter too long, guess who gets the ticket? That's right - the same person who gets the RLC ticket.

Where was the clarification pointed to by the particular paragraph you cited? I looked again and did not see an asterisk or footnote symbol.

Can you provide any of the cases that were implied by the "researchers armed with actul facts"? I love to read case law and see if the conclusion reached by those quoting the opinion actually match with what the opinion says.

Hooray for NM, now Arizona needs to follow! Actually all the states need to follow. People need some of their rights back as citizens of the US!

The tickets raised more than £73million for the Treasury that year, or £200,000 a day.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267278/New-speed-ca...

See this article

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/beaconnews/news/2216000,g...

The bottom line is that "We the people" have all the rights except those we granted to the government. Since what used to called civics is not taught in the schools any more, most people don't realize that. Unfortunately most people today believe that the government grants rights to the people. Nothing could be further from the truth in the USA. Again unfortunately the Federal court system is mostly populated by a bunch of left wing ideologues that have slowly eroded the rights of "We the people" and moved the powers and rights that we once had into the hands of a government that wants all the powers resting in Washington D.C.

...with your post.

If you were to change "bunch of left wing ideologues" to "bunch of left and right wing ideologues" I'd agree with you totally.

Both end are chewing their way into the middle, gutting us in the course of their righteous (and "lefteous" ) frenzy.

.. for as long as we continue to grant them. Otherwise, absolutely agree.
A Privilege (in the U.S.) is a right with restrictions which we willfully agree to be bound by.

Positively agree.

So just out of curiosity, I don't really mind the redlight/speed cameras, but I generally don't drive over the speed limit much. I'm not a hypermiler by any stretch, but I try to save a little gas, and I realize the time savings would be minimal. (Tried it once. 20 mile trip to work. Going 10 miles over the limit, I saved a whopping 2 minutes on my usually 20-21 minute trip. If I leave the house late, I'm gonna be late...)

So anyways, my thinking is in general, people who don't like these cameras like to drive fast, and people who don't care or like the cameras generally just drive the speed limit or slower. Is this true? Anyone feel otherwise? Like you do like to speed and like them? Or you don't speed and don't like them?

Washington needs to follow too! And all the states need to have the autobahn like Germany and other European country.

Many people have posted comments on this forum claiming that towns and states are using traffic cameras as a money grab - another form of taxation. Many say that SOMEBODY should do SOME THING.

When I see such comments I always think the real statement being made is "somebody ELSE should fix my problem".

Most traffic cameras are installed by local governments, and this is the easiest level for people to influence. If a small group of like-minded concerned citizens can develop enough public support at the local level, they can have these cameras removed.

If enough support to implement a desired change cannot be gained, then keep trying. Otherwise learn to live with it - don't expect someone ELSE to solve your concern.

Is it your opinion that the current Supreme Court is composed of "left wing ideologues"?

The posts on this threat make many valid points, but is there anything that can be done to stop red light runners? Many, in the following clip, seem to be in another world totally unaware of red lights, traffic or their surroundings.

Happy motoring!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=-qvXbIenivk

Look out Florida. RLC's are going to be legal before long.

http://www.flsenate.gov/data/session/2010/House/bills/amendm...

Must be making reference to Federal judges in the US District Court system or the Circuit Courts of Appeals

Thanks, chznor. That was a great movie! The one thing it made me understand is in a lot of cases, people get SO oblivious, red light cameras (and speed cameras in some of those clips) don't make any difference. I still believe (and have seen incidents)there are cases where people figure, no one's looking, I'm going. Fine if they are right and there's no other traffic, not so good when they miss it.

I was almost a statistic one day when I went down the street to fill my gas can for my lawn mower. I was the last in a line of cars through a green (of course) light, when I saw a dark shadow pass close by my rear view mirror, and it took me a second to realize it was an Excursion, or some other monster SUV. There was a moment and I didn't hear a crash and figured, thank god no one got hit, then I heard the smash, and saw in my side view mirror a white Prius (I think) spinning in circles after getting creamed by the SUV.

Again, cool vid, thx for sharing it. Loved the drifting bus and the fire engines! (Hope nobody was hurt.)

You have to dumber than a box of rocks to do like the one where the guy blows the light as he comes up on the sheriff. I always try to look left right left before I go through an intersection-although it's not always practical here in Chicago, but it saved me several times years ago when I rode a motorcycle.

4 out of 9 with one that can't make up his mind of what he is.

The Supreme Court is only 9 out of thousands that are Federal judges.

Glad you enjoyed the clip. Did you see the rl runner @ about 3:06 into the vid? What are the chances of that? Also, the guy walking away from the motorcycle crash @ 3:31. Lucky devils.....

Wow, makes you think that in a split second it could all come to a end. Because some fool doesn't respect the law of the land.

Yeah, amazing how lucky some of them were.

@ Bobdee, like I said, I believe most of those vids were people who were just tuned out of driving completely at the wrong moment. Maybe some DUI. You'd think all the stopped cars some of them zoom past would alert them that SOMETHING is up! But I've seen it myself bringing my son home from school. The light fairly far ahead turned red, and a big white delivery truck from the oncomong direction got his green turn arrow (I know the light timing, it's the turn to my house). A car going my direction but in the left of 2 lanes slowed as he approached, but I saw a little white car that was in the right lane but behind the other car, never slowed down until the last instant, but too late and hit the side of the TRUCK! As I was watching it unfold like in slow motion, I was telling my son 'That guys not stopping!' And there was the helpless feeling inside, wanting to yell at the guy to look out... Luckily just a little fender bender.

Would a red light camera have helped? Doubt it, unless it was there before and he knew about it and might have been more alert knowing it's there. His mind was somewhere else.

For the most part, it pretty much comes down to paying attention behind the wheel. If you're daydreaming, talking on the cell phone, etc., you're eventually going to get dinged. Not really a question of If, but one of When, and how badly.

It's amazing how many potentially bad situations you can drive your way out of if you just pay attention!

- Phil

The clip actually supports your statement. If you look closely you can see the physical camera or the camera's flash in the night scenes. Clearly, these folks were in another dimension. I hope that these rl runners were DWI or under the influence of some drug. It is scary to think that reality evades the average sober driver to such a degree.