I am considering creating a POI file showing locations of caves and caverns in the US. Does anybody here know if it has already been done or if there is likely to be any interst at all in something like this?
Sounds Like A good Idea Go For It I Haven't Seen Any Poi File On Here for Caves Or Caverns So have Fun
Sounds like a great idea to me.
I'd be interested!
Sure, why not!
what would you use as your source data?
are you only thinking about doing this for the commercial caves? or also for wild caves? and if you are considering listing wild caves as well, would you limit it to caves on public property?
most caving organizations that are aligned with the National Speleological Society are strongly opposed to sharing the locations of wild caves with the public. not only because of the potential danger to novice cavers, but also because of the potential damage to the caves that might happen from casual visitors and kidz looking for kewl places to do drugz.
I think this would be a very interesting POI file, even if it were only for one or two states.
I'd probably only be interested in (red) Ω Show Caves, or other Ω caves open to the public.
Perhaps a separate poi for Wild Caves.
I have the 7 Texas Show Caves ready to go.
If you find yourself being directed by your gps to a cave listed on this website and find yourself face to face with a large bear, we will not assume responsibility for any damage that might happen to you or your gps.
Just wanted to point that out.
That must be the legal disclaimer.
I think I'll be sticking to the ones well used by tourists, w/handrails and electric lighting. I'll leave the wild caves to the younger and more adventurous crowd.
BTW; I've added Oklahoma (there is only one) and working on Arkansas(7)
Actually that was just Miss Poi trying to be funny.
I thought it was funny!!!
I have now realized that my railroad POI project will take longer than I anticipated, so if anybody else is interested in doing caves and caverns, feel free to have at it.
i think it's an awesome idea!
what about caves in ALASKA?
Here are locations of 2 caves I know of in California.
Moaning Caverns -120.466072º 38.069037º
Was just here so the numbers are very close.
Mercer Caverns -120.476032º 38.151145º
I'm not sure these are 100% accurate. Never been there with the GPS
Old old mines would be a cool idea as well, but maybe kind of dangerous...
It was, but now I'm a little scared! (of the Bears!)
One more in California that I know of (and highly recommend):
Mitchell Caverns (Mohave Preserve in So Cal).
I didn't have my GPS when I visited a year or so ago, but according to Google Earth, coordinates to the visitor's center parking area are -115.513316 34.943781.
Yes I would also be interested in locations of those hidden treasures. Thanks in Advance
If you are looking for help, let me know. Looks like a fun file. I have some locations too.
There's a large series of caves in New Mexico, down south, called Carlsbad Caverns. Definately worth the trip.
I've checked out "Forbidden Caverns" near Sevierville on my recent trip. I guessed good at that location. Some of the other locations may need a physical coordinate update.
I got it and thought it was funny too.
Man, I haven't gone spelunking in years. I use to have a family friend that did it and he took me on several explorations. Nothing beats a "wild" cave. The commerical ones arent nearly as fun.
Bears Huh!! Yikes
I agree I need the electric lights and the steps. Could be snakes too.
I am considering creating a POI file showing locations of caves and caverns in the US. Does anybody here know if it has already been done or if there is likely to be any interest at all in something like this?
Do you want to keep them separated by state, or combine them? I can upload some from Wisconsin and if you or Miss POI wants to combine them that's fine with me.
I put together the show caves of the US already. You will have problems trying to get coordinates from other sites (non-show caves) since most cavers will not give out the coordinates.
i love the idea, but...
offering the cave locations to the open public only hurts the true cave lovers. please join a local grotto via the nss. i do look for any cave info i can find but am hard pressed to publish such info. it only takes one to ruin nature for the future. i have owned property in very nice areas only to find someone abuseing the property. not to say you will hurt anything, but the next reader might. take care.
the seneca caverns you have listed in riverton w.va are no longer open ,the land was bought by greer limestone company,and there are no plans to reopen them ......smoke hole caverns in the seneca rocks area is still open ......just letting you know
an awesome idea for a POI file! I would download it.
I searched the site and see that no one has created a file for caverns, so... I created one.
I have 95 locations in the US and Canada and am in the process of obtaining coordinates. The file should be online in a few days.
The file will also contain a web address to look up additional information.
Here is one that I was in as a kid.
I could probably find the wild ones that I would haunt as a kid also.
Bringing back some great memories from the early 80's.
Latitude: 42.69484° N
Longitude: 74.39975° W
Elevation: 1017.8 ft. (MSL)
Howe Caverns, Inc.
255 Discovery Drive
Howes Cave, NY 12092
Itt is amazing how many websites do NOT have an address or GPS coordinates listed.
Lost River Caverns
726 Durham St,
We have a file for Caves but it is in the repair shop right now, it has 160 locations in it. Please contact ahsumtoy and team up with him on this project.
Ok, I'll wait until the file is off the rack. I clicked on his link and was denied access.
awesome! just my 2c though. Can't wait to see it!
I am caver from Tn and belong to the Tn Cave Survey.
While there are about 10,000 cave in Tn. We do not give out info to the public.
reason 1 there is what is call white Nose Bat Disease that is killing thousands of bats in US. We are not going to a large number of caves because of this. The U.S. Park Service has started to closed all their caves.
reason 2 people will go to wild caves without equipment, get hurt and give us real cavers a bad name.
Reason 3 people want to go Party and damage caves.
Reason 4 people steal things from caves
If you are interested in wild caving go the Caves.org the home page of the National Speleological Society know by cavers as NSS
in going to wild caves, I don't need that. But, I do enjoy going to show caves, so I'm all for this POI!
This is a great place to take the family. I have been here twice and we had a lot of fun!
In January, 2009, I took on the task of correcting the lat/lon information in this file for Miss POI. I also corrected other information such as address and phone numbers. It took me weeks since just about all of the work was manually done - no bulk geocoding.
Please let me know if you find any errors that need correcting.
any poi files?
I uploaded a file for Wisconsin awhile back, feel free to add to it or combine it with another file.
Florida Caverns State Park
near Marianna off I-10
FL Caverns is in the Caves in the US POI file:
This file also has 9 show caves in PA.
Sorry. Missed that somehow.
Awesome idea I just searched to see if there was a Caves POI and didn't find any.
One I did for Wisconsin.
Here in Southwestern Idaho we have more than enough mine caves.
There are over 250 just in the Owyhee Mountains near Silver City. The ones on private property are being barricaded up, but the ones on BLM land are still open.
Some go just a few feet into the hillside, and others go completely through mountains.
Then there is the "Robbers Cave" in Southeastern Oregon, by "Three Fingers Gulch". Interesting story behind that one. Also kinda hard to get to (ATV trails).
When I did wild caving for a few years there was little published information on cave locations. One had to get acquainted with local cavers and ask for directions and the procedure for gaining access. Most cave entrances were on private property and inconsiderate or careless behavior could, and frequently would, spoil it for everybody. Landowners were afraid of people getting hurt, liability, tired of noise in the middle of the night, trash and thought people should get permission beforehand. I used to hear this from a landowner who was tired of the hassle.
I haven't caved for a long time but suspect the situation is no better.
You bet I would. I was just searching for a poi file for just that.
Would you be including commercial caves?
Just a thought.
Maybe you've already seen this one:
I manually re-did all the POIs in it last year. It took several weeks but should be pretty accurate. Its the larger commercial tour caves.
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