four corners area

Using GEP I get coordinates of:

-109.045181,36.998994

for the actual marker !

How far off am I ???????????

Edit.
According to Wikpedia the coordinates are:

-109.0451722,36.9989764

Info at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Corners_Monument

Mrken,

was there this summer, the edit you have above it the best coord's. i have it marked as -109.o451720,9989763

great area!!

When this area was surveyed, people doing the surveying were using transits and dragging chains. They varied in ability and mistakes were made. Once the corners were established and confirmed for years, they aren't changed (would you like to lose 1/2 of your property because someone decided that there had been an error 150 years ago and you don't own what you paid for?). The GPS corner may be correct but the actual corner (by law) may be different.

What maps do you have on your Vista?

On my eTrex with just the basemap showing, the map looks to be about 1/4 mile off.

With my City Navigator maps active, it appears to be exactly where it is shown on Google Maps.

So I suspect that the unit is accurate but the basemap is inaccurate (as it typically is).

And since there is a Rest Area at this location I just added it to the "Rest Areas Combined" master file for the next update.
Now the question is - which state(s) is the rest area in ????????????

I guess I'll have to visit this May on our AZ trip to see for myself ! I'll probably have to use the Rest Area anyway !!!!!!!

I was trying to get the exact coord. off my vista but the Toggle switch no longer works and all I can do is change pages. Looking at Google Earth it looks like the marker is just a few feet off, and not the 1/4 mile I had previously thought. Meanwhile looks like I am in the market for a new backpacking unit.

There is a small fee to enter. Also, go see Monument Valley, really neat, but very sandy. The only problem of visiting it is the lack of places to stay.

You really consider this a "rest area?"

Photo: http://www.fourcornersfreepress.com/news/2007/010701.htm

Hold your nose.

As far as which state, you could just flip a coin. Oh wait... no... umm... that won't work

I've been there, several times, and it's not as bad as you or the article paints. It's a nice enough place. As it is on any of the places the Indian Nations own, there are numerous Indian Vendors selling jewelry, trinkets, and geegaws. much like the crap we foisted off on them in times past. They are returning the favor. They own the land, they can do as the wish.

Go there, see it, then make up your mind.

I guess this answers your question, although instead of a 1/4 mile off it's apparently 2 1/2 miles off.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705298412,00.html

They reported this on the 6:30 news tonight that it was 2 1/2 miles off.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1668034/southwest_f...

My Garmins brought us right to it. Also take the trek to Mesa, AZ. Good food, places to stay and very interesting for the history. The people were very nice too!

Of course, when the news gets slow, they go to the internet for stories.

They talked about it on the Milwaukee Radio station I listen to in the mornings yesterday as well. Trying to sensationalize it of course. Talking about the hundreds and thousands of dollars that people have spent to get there, and now they're finding out that they really weren't there after all.

But wait, are you saying people from around the world haven't spent big bucks to get to the spot that wasn't really there? I think the report was probably pretty accurate!

There are probably other threads complaining about the news not providing "all" of the facts in every story.

Cheers

I guess I can say that because I wasn't there. The closest I ever got was about 2 1/2 miles away on a trail, while out and about in the Army about 20 years ago, but didn't think anything of it because I wasn't actually on the spot. - - - or - - was I?
D'oh!

If I had traveled there to be on the spot, and paid money to do it - I concede that I might just be upset too.

You're right about much of the news not providing all the facts. Of course, a couple of weeks ago, we hear about Pirate's capturing a ship, and several other stories of national and international worth, and yet the Chicago Channel 5 NBC Morning news led off with their lead story of "Pirates attack Hannah Montana." I found that to be strange.

After I google earthed it I realized that you were right. According to Google earth it is just a few feet off.
Now as to the news story about it actually being 2 1/2 miles off, I would have thought the lines would be on a certain Lat and long. and it would not be that hard to figure out.

I find it very hard to believe such a straight forward measurement was that far off. Plus, several days later it was reported that the actual location was .25 mile off, but now in the opposite direction.

So who screwed up, by how much and in which direction? If it were true the state lines, which are defined by Longitude and Latitude would converge on the "correct" location because that is how their borders are defined. Amazingly, every map I've looked at has them converging at the Four Corners Monument, not some distance away. Impossible if the monument was not in the correct location and it would have been noticed a long time ago.

OK, so maybe not a hoax, but more likely the current attempts at measurement where done by incompetents, especially since two different locations nearly three miles apart were announced in under a week.

Correct coordinates: Longitude -109.045371 and latitude 36.998909

See https://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2013-07-01/four-corners-m...

https://www.thetravel.com/is-four-corners-accurate-what-to-k....