First line reated in custom POI

 

Sorry if this has been asked before. I did a search, but couldn't find an answer/fix.

Some, not all, of my custom POIs has the first line repeated at the top (on the display screen). Is there a way to prevent this?

Name lengths.

It's the length of the Name that triggers this behaviour - strange as that sounds. Adjust the length of the name, so that it's an even number of characters!

(Some POI Creation software will do this for you smile

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learning curve

Hornbyp wrote:

It's the length of the Name that triggers this behaviour - strange as that sounds. Adjust the length of the name, so that it's an even number of characters!

(Some POI Creation software will do this for you smile

Mr. Phil Hornby, Stockport, England,
Just curious: are you Garmin's mole in this forum? (lol)
Looking back, I've noticed you're coming up with a lot of insider information... anyway, please keep going! I'm at the bottom of my gps' learning curve and trying to get higher.

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:-)

No, I don't work for Garmin smile

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Might as well

Hornbyp wrote:

No, I don't work for Garmin smile

Might as well work for them...lol.

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Name Lengths...

Hornbyp,

I'll give that a try.
Subsequent replies to my question hold you in high regard.
Many thanks for the info.

Name Length... even number of characters

Hornbyp,

I did a brief check on my existing entries. And "by golly", I believe you hit pay dirt. My odd numbered "first lines" were duplicated and the lines with an even number of characters (a space counting as a character) were formatted perfectly.

Many thanks again. I'll change my other entries to an even number of characters and let you know how it works.

I had experimented with the length of the entry, but never considered the (odd and even) number of characters. I wonder if this is unique to a nuvi 250 or if others have had a similar experience on other models ?

Automated search

I knew it had to do with the number of characters in the name, but I thought it was a bit more random than that.

It does affect the nüvi 200 (probably all 2xx) and I think some of the 3xx also.

Any way to automate that search in large CSV files?

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First Line

Hornbyp wrote:

It's the length of the Name that triggers this behaviour - strange as that sounds. Adjust the length of the name, so that it's an even number of characters!

I assume this has to be actual content and not just an added space at the end of the line (I tried this and it didn't seem to work)

Hornbyp wrote:

(Some POI Creation software will do this for you smile

If there was only some way to figure out what software that would be! wink

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gdfaini wrote:

It does affect the nüvi 200 (probably all 2xx) and I think some of the 3xx also.

Any way to automate that search in large CSV files?

From what I've seen so far, any quirks and foibles apply to an entire range - even when there are physically different firmwares involved, such as is the case with the Nüvi 310/360 and the Nüvi 300/350. It's as though the team doing the programming is just "following orders". If the specs they receive say "implement X", then that's exactly what they do (no matter how crazy). I wonder where the programming teams are located?

(A company I once worked for, set up a toothpaste production plant in China. A manager from the UK was appalled to find the Chinese workers watching a production line dispense toothpaste all over the floor. Apparently, correcting the problem, would have meant 'loss of face' for someone - so no-one intervened.)

I digress :-)

The Nüvi 2xx and Nüvi 7xx series have the same incarnation of the 'Repeating Line' problem. The StreetPilot C5xx and the Zümo share a different variation (Credit for discovering that goes to lsmonop). The Nüvi 3xx doesn't suffer it - and I don't believe the Nüvi 6xx does either.

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Even number of characters

Hornbyp wrote:

It's the length of the Name that triggers this behaviour - strange as that sounds. Adjust the length of the name, so that it's an even number of characters!

(Some POI Creation software will do this for you smile

I tried the even number of characters for the name. First I tried with an extra space after the first word. No success. Then I tried different characters such as a colon and a period alternately at the end and after the first word for various entries. No success.

Perhaps this problem is unique to the nuvi 250. I am using POI Loader to upload to a SD card on my nuvi and Notepad to create the .csv file. Perhaps there is an alternate program to correct this problem.

I am back to square one at the moment...
I can live with it, but the esthetics of the first line presentation (name) is a bit "wanting" if it again repeats on the second line in the same bold letters.

What exactly ..

I'm in the process of adding some options to POI Verifier and if you could tell me exactly what you need (relative to the even/odd number of characters), I'll try to add it this go-around.

RT

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Consecon wrote:

I am back to square one at the moment...

Can you email the problem csv file to me?

This link should take you to the contact page.

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Info from whom ...

Info from Whom? Is it from me or someone else in this discussion? I am new to this dimension, so I have little input other than questions to get me past the initial learning curve. I assume you are looking for info from a more "learn-ed" source...???

BUT, ...just to clarify things... I may have led you astray with the information I gave you earlier (my apologies). On my nuvi 250, it is the 3nd line which is repeated (NOT the name line). It appears (sometimes) in what is usually a blank 2nd line. I apologize for this oversite. The NAME is in bold letters, (then there should be a blank line for esthetics and an easy to read format); but, I often get the 3rd line in bold letters in that "Space" (i.e. the 2nd line).

E.G. for the standard format it would be:
Name line 1 large bold letters
(blank line) line 2
Address.. line 3 smaller letters

HOWEVER, I sometimes get:
(line 1) Name;
(line 2) NO blank line for line 2, but instead I get the Address from line 3 in large bold letters on line 2;
(line 3) Address - It is formatted in smaller letters as usual (but is the same information as the large letters in line 2). This is the line that is duplicated.

That is my dilemma.

Hope this makes sense to someone. And, again I must apologize for the previous mis-information of the repeating NAME line.

This is exactly what happens on my nüvi 200.

This is exactly what happens on my nüvi 200.

The fourth (description) column, which normally displays on the third line on the GPSr is sometimes also displayed in bold on the second line.

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Makes perfect sense...

Consecon wrote:

Hope this makes sense to someone. And, again I must apologize for the previous mis-information of the repeating NAME line.

...ah..now that I come to actually read your original message ...
smile

It's OK though, you've got exactly the problem I thought you had.

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This is what my nüvi 200 is doing:

This is what my nüvi 200 is doing:

I checked the first 8 POIs in my Catholic Churches file and compared the number of characters in the name with whether it repeats column D.

26 char. no
18 char. no
21 char. yes
11 char. yes
12 char. no
25 char. yes
23 char. yes
29 char. no!!!!!!!!

The last one doesn't fit the odd/even pattern. However, since that name is long enough to wrap to the second line, that might explain why the description isn't repeated on the second line.

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example

Just to clarify, we're talking about this sort of thing

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Unfortunately, "this sort of thing"

Unfortunately, "this sort of thing" was blocked by our firewall. Can you provide the Cliff Notes version? I'll have to check it out at home.

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Yup

Hornbyp wrote:

Just to clarify, we're talking about this sort of thing

Pretty sure that's exactly what he means (and what mine does too)

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What a relief... Whew... !!!

Again sorry for the mis-information in my earlier post.

I think we are all reading off the same page now (so the old saying goes...) smile

First line repeated in Custom POI

I sometimes have the same problem. I normally had a period at the end of the Description and it corrects the problem.

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Hornbyp is Correct - must have an EVEN # of characters

Hornbyp wrote:

It's the length of the Name that triggers this behaviour - strange as that sounds. Adjust the length of the name, so that it's an even number of characters!

(Some POI Creation software will do this for you smile

Hornbyp is absolutely correct. If you have an EVEN number of characters in the NAME, the following information is formatted correctly (i.e. the 3rd line does NOT repeat).
The mistake I was making is that I was unknowingly using the same original file over and over again.

The reason for this is that I saved my original badly formatted file to the GARMIN "hard drive/unit". So... even though I corrected the csv file and loaded it to the SD card, it didn't work. Of course the GARMIN unit read the info from its own "hard drive" first rather then from my SD card where the corrections had been made. The file looked like the one I revised, but it was really the original without the corrections. I realized this when I added some puctuation and didn't see it appear on the corrected file. Then I realized my mistake.
It took me two days to figure that one out ....

Hornbyp's advice on odd / EVEN is correct.

While I was experimenting I noticed that a "space" at the end of the "NAME" did NOT appear to work; however, a punctuation mark (such as a period or I assume any other other character - except a "space" would also work. This was mentioned in a previous post on this topic.)

Hornbyp's "fix" for repeating lines worked for me. Hopefully this will be of help to others who have the same problem.

It would be nice if POI Loader did this automatically when you use it to load Custom CSV files to the Garmin unit or an SD card.

by NAME

I'll work on incorporating this 'work-around' into POI Verifier; but first I have some questions:

By NAME, are you referring to 'the 3rd field' or 'file name'? I assume 'the 3rd field'.

Am I correct that this has to be an even number of characters?

Did anyone try inserting a trailing space enclosed in quotes, or a space between words in the NAME?

Which units does this affect?

Thanks.

RT

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If the number of characters in column C is odd

If the number of characters in column C (Name) is odd, then column D (Descripton) is repeated.

It seems to affect all of the nüvi 2xx units.

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Did anyone try ...

Did anyone try inserting a trailing space enclosed in quotes, or a space between words in the NAME?

Thanks.

RT

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I think I tried a space without quotation marks

retiredtechnician wrote:

Did anyone try inserting a trailing space enclosed in quotes, or a space between words in the NAME?

Thanks.

RT

I think I tried a space without quotation marks and that didn't work. I didn't try quotation marks. Then my POI file got so big it wasn't feasible to count the characters in each name manually, so I dropped it.

I can try a few variations when I get home.

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Thanks

gdfaini wrote:

I can try a few variations when I get home.

Sure would appreciate it. Then I'd have more to work with.
Thanks.
RT

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First line repeated in Custom POI

gdfaini wrote:

Quote:

If the number of characters in column C (Name) is odd, then column D (Descripton) is repeated.

It seems to affect all of the nüvi 2xx units.

I have a Street Pilot C530 and it does the same thing. As I said in a previous post, I add a period at the end of the description and it's OK. I will continue to do so until a better solution is found.

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Quotes

retiredtechnician wrote:

Did anyone try inserting a trailing space enclosed in quotes, or a space between words in the NAME?

Thanks.

RT

Maybe I'm missing something here, but adding a space enclosed in quotes does work (because it changed the name from odd number of characters to even), but is not very esthetically (sp?) pleasing to see the name shown as:

POI Name" "

As indicated bu gdfaini above, inserting an extra space within the name or at the end of the name does not work. I wonder if there might be a special character that the unit wouldn't display that might wirk?

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Referring to this

I was referring to this format:
"POI Name. " as opposed to "POI Name.."

Note the trailing space after the name, all enclosed in quotes.

RT

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Ahhhh

I knew I must have been missing something there

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Notepad

retiredtechnician wrote:

I was referring to this format:
"POI Name. " as opposed to "POI Name.."

Note the trailing space after the name, all enclosed in quotes.

RT

This would be as viewed in NotePad, NOT Excel. Excel will add more quotes.

RT

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By Name = 3rd field

retiredtechnician wrote:

I'll work on incorporating this 'work-around' into POI Verifier; but first I have some questions:

By NAME, are you referring to 'the 3rd field' or 'file name'? I assume 'the 3rd field'.

Am I correct that this has to be an even number of characters?

Did anyone try inserting a trailing space enclosed in quotes, or a space between words in the NAME?

Which units does this affect?

Thanks.

RT

I am NOT a techy person, but will try to clarify...
I use Notepad. The 1st and 2nd entries are long & lat. The 3rd is what I refer to as NAME. the 4th is what could be called DESCRIPTION.

Therefore NAME = 3rd field
And, an EVEN numver of characters work for me on my Garmin nuvi 250. For more detail please refer to my previous post. Perhaps Hornbyp can give you more direction since he is the one who guided me through the experimental process. I believe he has a CONTACT link in one of his posts on this topic.

And... YES, a space between words in the NAME works for me (but NOT at the end of the NAME field). Again, this is explained briefly in my previous post.

I agree, that larger CSV files make this impractical to count characters in the NAME field to get an EVEN number. If POI Loader could do that job, it would be a BIG bonus for me.

Need beta tester

I added an option to POI Verifier that will count the number of characters in every field 3; and if the count is odd, it will add a period to the end of that particular field. I don't have a nuvi 2xx so can't verify it will correct the problem; so I'm looking for someone that would be willing to give it a try before I post it, preferably someone who is already using POI Verifier so they would be familiar with the program. Just send me an email via my contact link.

Thanks.

RT

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Not to throw a wrench

Not to throw a wrench into the odd/even issue, but when I created the "Bennett Auto Supply" file (19 chars), I had the same problem. I added a space before and after the word "Auto" for a total of 21 chars and the problem went away. Both titles were ODD numbers. So to me, there must be something a bit more than just odd/even and wrap-around. This was with my Garmin C550.

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It's a spanner, not a wrench ;-)

sewisdom wrote:

Both titles were ODD numbers. So to me, there must be something a bit more than just odd/even and wrap-around. This was with my Garmin C550.

You're quite right - the C5xx (and Zümo?) have a slightly different behaviour. Those series only suffer the problem with every other odd numbered name length! (3,7,11 etc).

BTW - GeePeeEx Editor's "Pad waypoint names to overcome line 2 formatting bug." option adds a "." to increase the line length. If the name already ends in a "."", it removes it instead.

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That explains 19 vice 21

Great! That explains 19 vice 21. Or as you explained earlier, a different variation of a reincarnation of the same problem (say that 3 times real fast). Hornbyp, what are you.. a Bit-Banger? wink

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Field 3 to even character count

The new version of POI Verifier gives the option to adjust field 3 to an even character count. See:
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/7638

Any feedback via my contact link would be appreciated.

RT

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I apologize, but was not able to experiment

retiredtechnician wrote:
gdfaini wrote:

I can try a few variations when I get home.

Sure would appreciate it. Then I'd have more to work with.
Thanks.
RT

I apologize, but was not able to experiment with my POI for you last night. Had a minor emergency with my Palm. I added 1GB of Christmas music to the SD card, popped it into my Palm and then my Palm and computer both said it needed to be formatted. Took 2 hours to recover my photos and music. These handheld gadgets can drive a man to drink!

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Repeating Line Problem

I confirm the problem on my C530. I wrote a small Excel macro to make all the field 3 entries "even" and the problem went away.

Thanks for the help.

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Also has this option

poitom wrote:

I confirm the problem on my C530. I wrote a small Excel macro to make all the field 3 entries "even" and the problem went away.

Thanks for the help.

POI Verifier also has the option of forcing an even character count in field 3 to address this problem. Just check the box next to "Check to create even character count in field 3". See
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/7575

RT

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Thanks

retiredtechnician wrote:
poitom wrote:

I confirm the problem on my C530. I wrote a small Excel macro to make all the field 3 entries "even" and the problem went away.

Thanks for the help.

POI Verifier also has the option of forcing an even character count in field 3 to address this problem. Just check the box next to "Check to create even character count in field 3". See
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/7575

RT

Thanks, RT, I'm aware that POI Verifier will take care of this problem, but I just needed a small challenge to keep my nerd status current.

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