Say hello to big brother.

 

Perfect Example

of our government passing legislation with no clear way to practically implement, regulate or enforce.

While well intended, the possibilities for abuse of this kill switch law are endless.

Criminals will most certainly figure out a way to defeat such a device. Where there is a will, there's a way.

These systems will eventually be hacked and criminals could use the system to target individuals. Women travelling alone in remote areas will be particularly vulnerable.

When trucking companies began installing GPS tracking systems on their trucks, it didn't take long for drivers to defeat it by simply putting a tin can over the antenna. It likely won't be that simple with newer systems.

How will these systems be triggered? Cellular & satellite service isn't available everywhere and short range RF transmission is more easily hacked.

It will be interesting to see how this law evolves if it even survives.

You're right.

bdhsfz6 wrote:

Perfect example of our government passing legislation with no clear way to practically implement, regulate or enforce.

... and that says it all.

And the American public continues to elect these fine examples of deep thinkers.

BTW: how long until this tread gets locked, or my response gets deleted?

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yet another example

of 1984 is being implemented. Flip a switch, and the whole nation is immobilized. Add martial law, and it will be complete.

Tell me this isn't totalitarian...

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My car ('22 Kia stinger) is

My car ('22 Kia stinger) is already connected. Comes with an LTE modem from the factory for remote/app functions. You can adjust climate control, start the car, etc. As the foundation is already in place implementing a kill/shutdown function is just a matter of a few more lines of code.

I suspect this is the case with most (all?) connected cars these days.

The only saving grace would be when the LTE standard becomes obsolete. This may happen sooner than later. 5G is already present in many places. Butchering the antenna is an interesting idea. That little shark fin is also used for gps and xm radio. Couldn't careless about xm, but gps is useful.

Let's see them

Install this on motorcycles, scooters, Vespas, bicycles, skateboards... and all personal e-vehicles ( bikes, mono-wheels, skateboards( and let's not forget the vehicles on the water or in the air!

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Oh great. Looks like I'm

Oh great. Looks like I'm sticking with the old models til they rot.

Bad Idea

ceevee wrote:

Oh great. Looks like I'm sticking with the old models til they rot.

I felt that way even before this. Even without it, carmakers have been increasing tracking technology in cars. But I agree, this will be another reason not to get a new vehicle.

Some innocent peoples' cars will get hacked and people will be hurt or killed on the road, and lawsuits will fly.

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If You're Worried About Tracking,,,

then turn off the phone too. Smartphones have been tracked for years.

In the old days we could

In the old days we could just remove the battery from the phone. Not so any more. Lets hope airplane and off really do disable connectivity.

If you're that worried about

If you're that worried about it, wrap it in aluminum foil, you don't even need to turn it off.

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Have a great day!

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keep it off!

KenSny wrote:

If you're that worried about it, wrap it in aluminum foil, you don't even need to turn it off.

Nah.. I barely use my phone. Work from home, so no need to keep it on. I get all my calls (and texts) on the computer. It really only gets used when im out and about, if something needs to be looked up or a call made. Don't like to be disturbed while driving. Too distracting, even with the handsfree garbage.

No

These are not "well intended laws". These are clearly abusive laws whose sole purpose is to restrict freedom. The nonsense about safety is an after the fact made up fig leaf. Ransomware hackers are the second most excited group of people after the first group which is anti-liberty government officials who will abuse this law starting the first day it is possible.

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Sounds like they are going

Sounds like they are going to require all new cars to have OnStar installed instead of select cars now.

What could go wrong?

I feel safer already. What could go wrong?

On the Plus Side...

This technology was used recently to locate and capture the suspected killer of four Idaho college students.

The suspects vehicle was tracked from Idaho to Pennsylvania where he was eventually apprehended.

Coincidentally, the capture took place just a few miles from where I live in the Pocono mountains. shock

So, what's to stop criminals

from using these switches in pursuit of their business and personal endeavors?

Seems pretty much inevitable that they will, right?

seriously

I took exception to car mfgs on purpose making it so the owner of the vehicle cannot work on the car themselves.

But to continue to have everyone be able to manipulate things because it's possible?

What's next, a hotel that charges extra to make sure there isn't a hidden 4K cam uploading to YouTube, in 7.1 surround sound?

Was it here or on another forum, that I was quite surprised about our own vehicles.

They are 2006, 2007, and 2011. The 2006 and 2011, both have black boxes.

The 2007 does not, and that's the one electronically limited to 155 mph. Go figure.

think so

scott_dog wrote:

from using these switches in pursuit of their business and personal endeavors?

Seems pretty much inevitable that they will, right?

Agreed.

When I watched a new key and fob being programmed for our 2011 car with a laptop and interface, there was a 5 min countdown to put the change through. I was thinking the software was designed to take too long to be used nefariously? But surely there's a way around it.

confused

bdhsfz6 wrote:

This technology was used recently to locate and capture the suspected killer of four Idaho college students.

The suspects vehicle was tracked from Idaho to Pennsylvania where he was eventually apprehended.

Coincidentally, the capture took place just a few miles from where I live in the Pocono mountains. shock

How was the kill switch function used in the above case?

Sorry...

zx1100e1 wrote:
bdhsfz6 wrote:

This technology was used recently to locate and capture the suspected killer of four Idaho college students.

The suspects vehicle was tracked from Idaho to Pennsylvania where he was eventually apprehended.

Coincidentally, the capture took place just a few miles from where I live in the Pocono mountains. shock

How was the kill switch function used in the above case?

for the confusion.

I was referring to the tracking portion of the technology, not the kill switch.

^^Maybe I misread. I thought

^^Maybe I misread. I thought they were able to ID the car based on some software that identifies makes/models based on visual profiles.

As for tracking, I thought ALPRs (plate readers) were used as they already determined a possible plate based on the above.

Subaru

Subaru has disabled the starlink feature on cars sold in Massachusetts because it transmits encrypted telemetry data. Subaru didn't want to make the data open to others under Massachusetts Right to Repair Law.

interesting reading

zx1100e1 wrote:

^^Maybe I misread. I thought they were able to ID the car based on some software that identifies makes/models based on visual profiles.

As for tracking, I thought ALPRs (plate readers) were used as they already determined a possible plate based on the above.

They used a few new techs combined with some old. It was DNA that may have put the final nail in the coffin.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/01/08/idaho-...

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^^Interesting read.So some

^^Interesting read.

So some take aways.. We can thank the articles for giving tips how to elude in the future...

* He should have used another vehicle, maybe a rental, obviously rented nowhere near his domicile.

* Used a burner phone

* Is the single piece of dna evidence found sufficient for a guilty verdict.....

Stay tuned.