ASE (Automated Speed Enforcement) coming to Toronto

 

Toronto and other municipalities in the area are installing Speed Cameras in the coming three months. Warning signs are already in place on streets where these cameras will be deployed.

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that's

good news. The only thing is the fines will likely be steep.

imho the enforcement is needed. One would not expect to walk into a retailer and not have one's actions recorded in 4K from parking lot, all through the establishment (except rest rooms), and back out. It really should be the same in public.

but again, since fines are always steep in Canada, that is a downside. Make it $40 USD like Maryland, give an 11 mph leeway, and we have a just system.

Cash Cow

I am not a great fan of speed cameras. A few months ago, I was driving through Cedar Falls, Iowa. I was in a rental car and driving with the flow of traffic. I remember because it was about 0830 on a Wednesday morning during rush hour traffic. I was not driving in the inside lane because of people passing me. Last month, I received a bill from the rental car company because they had received a citation notice from the speed camera company. It is bewildering to me that I was supposed to be speeding when I was in the middle of traffic. But, the problem is, it is not worth the time or the trouble to drive 500 miles to fight the ticket in court when it is a civil matter. Since this will not show up on a person's driving record, it makes me wonder how many people will just pay the ticket instead of going to court to contest the charge. I wonder if sometimes they don't just focus on out of state plates because they know that people will not fight the charge.

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hate

maddog67 wrote:

I am not a great fan of speed cameras. A few months ago, I was driving through Cedar Falls, Iowa. I was in a rental car and driving with the flow of traffic. I remember because it was about 0830 on a Wednesday morning during rush hour traffic. I was not driving in the inside lane because of people passing me. Last month, I received a bill from the rental car company because they had received a citation notice from the speed camera company. It is bewildering to me that I was supposed to be speeding when I was in the middle of traffic. But, the problem is, it is not worth the time or the trouble to drive 500 miles to fight the ticket in court when it is a civil matter. Since this will not show up on a person's driving record, it makes me wonder how many people will just pay the ticket instead of going to court to contest the charge. I wonder if sometimes they don't just focus on out of state plates because they know that people will not fight the charge.

hate to hear about your situation....my being pro enforcement is straightforward, should be like MD. $40 fine--not the end of the world. 11 mph OK, no ticket. 12 mph is a big window, especially when the limit is 15-45. Maybe at 65 12 mph should be increased.

I rent so many cars every year for work that I too do not like the possibility of getting nailed for say HOV lane, speed, rlc, because of the disadvantage of fighting if I am right.

This is exactly why I will not take a rental car over the Grand Island Bridges in NYS. A $1 toll has turned into thousands of dollars of fines for people there. Utterly ridiculous.

I've to date never gotten a bogus ticket, and hope it stays that way. There are some toll by mails that were bad, i.e. 1 mo. or more to bill. That's I-95S in MD express, and that Grand Island Bridge. with e-zPass should be imho no more than 48 hours.

Do these speed cameras give

Do these speed cameras have any tolerance built in for speed limit or no? If the speed limit is 40 KM and you were driving at 41 KM, you will get a ticket?

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Well then

maddog67 wrote:

I am not a great fan of speed cameras. A few months ago, I was driving through Cedar Falls, Iowa. I was in a rental car and driving with the flow of traffic. I remember because it was about 0830 on a Wednesday morning during rush hour traffic. I was not driving in the inside lane because of people passing me.

Obviously going with the flow is not immunity to speeding. Maybe you should be the one slowing down and let everyone else go on their merry way, just sayin'.

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What the OP did NOT say

By making it sound as if this is going to be everywhere!!

This is from the official website:
The installation of Automated Speed Enforcement systems has begun across the City in community safety zones, near schools.

Totally in favor of that!!! I've driven by school zones and did the posted speed limit and was being passed by some cars at nearly double my speed.

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excellent point

Melaqueman wrote:

By making it sound as if this is going to be everywhere!!

This is from the official website:
The installation of Automated Speed Enforcement systems has begun across the City in community safety zones, near schools.

Totally in favor of that!!! I've driven by school zones and did the posted speed limit and was being passed by some cars at nearly double my speed.

If just in targeted areas, that truly removes the "money grab" theory and throws it out the window.

I have a 6 y.o. and the school bus comes 2 days a week, wife drives him the other 3 days. I've been off and walked my son to the bus--I have never witnessed anybody passing the bus on reds.

Two houses down the bus stops earlier when I go to work. I have seen cars pass the bus when the stop arm is out and reds are flashing. I know the bus is helpless and cars know it, because I've seen the bus driver honk, and the car stuck behind yet another school bus, and nothing happened. Buses should have cams as well but that needs legislation.

Melaqueman wrote: By making

Melaqueman wrote:

By making it sound as if this is going to be everywhere!!

This is from the official website:
The installation of Automated Speed Enforcement systems has begun across the City in community safety zones, near schools.

Totally in favor of that!!! I've driven by school zones and did the posted speed limit and was being passed by some cars at nearly double my speed.

The reason I did not mention School Zones only because they are installing these cameras more than School zones.

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What evidence?

Is there physical evidence provided to the driver with the citation?

RLCs must clearly show that the car was NOT in the intersection when the light turned red. It must also show the car in the middle of the intersection when the light is red. If the car is in the intersection (front wheels over the line) when the light turns red, it is not a violation to continue thru the intersection.

What evidence does a speed camera present?

video

ruggb wrote:

Is there physical evidence provided to the driver with the citation?

RLCs must clearly show that the car was NOT in the intersection when the light turned red. It must also show the car in the middle of the intersection when the light is red. If the car is in the intersection (front wheels over the line) when the light turns red, it is not a violation to continue thru the intersection.

What evidence does a speed camera present?

rlcs present a video. That covers all of the above. The light turns red, the vehicle has not reached the stop line yet, and proceeds. Nobody in the history of this forum, has ever been able to post a video, where they got a ticket, and where the video, shows they proceeded on yellow, or they stopped and were ticketed nonetheless.

There have been cases of outright malfunction, mind you, but never an example of a bogus ticket. Maybe they're like unicorns or narwhals.

Now speed cams present images from what I understand. At least NYC is explicit in 9 OK, 10 ticket. Like MD 11 OK, 12 ticket.

DC is mysterious and nobody knows. But I believe I passed one 6 over and never got a ticket.

To be realistic, would you believe that my dash cam has the appropriate velocity watermarked in the video? Is there any reason to believe it's hyped by 10 mph in NYC, or 12 mph in MD? Why?

Toronto speed cams

Apparently when they begin operating, they will have a 90 day grace period where only warnings are issued.
Maybe someone can volunteer to test out at what speed over the limit a warning is issued and post the info, Laughing out loud.

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Yep, I agree

Melaqueman wrote:
maddog67 wrote:

I am not a great fan of speed cameras. A few months ago, I was driving through Cedar Falls, Iowa. I was in a rental car and driving with the flow of traffic. I remember because it was about 0830 on a Wednesday morning during rush hour traffic. I was not driving in the inside lane because of people passing me.

Obviously going with the flow is not immunity to speeding. Maybe you should be the one slowing down and let everyone else go on their merry way, just sayin'.

But slowing down and driving the speed limit can be more of a hazard to you than driving faster and getting a speeding violation. Let me say that I am not in favor of speeding. I am in favor of a law enforcement officer doing the enforcing, not a speed camera. I am a retired law enforcement officer so I know the effects of excessive speed. If I am speeding and get a citation, so be it. But when I am in the middle of rush hour and get a citation based on a speed camera, I don't like it. Especially when it has been proven that some of these cameras are not accurate. The Supreme Court of Ohio ruled against certain cameras in the last couple of years and as a result, certain municipalities have been ordered to pay back all speeding tickets issued through the municipality. There is a town not far from where I live that generated a lot of revenue through the use of speed cameras. They have been ordered to repay approximately 5 and a half million dollars to people who have received citations. Speed cameras have a bad reputation and have been outlawed by several states. According to the Cedar Falls Gazette, the city is forecasting that they will bring in 4.7 million a year through the use of speed cameras and over 5,000 citations were issued in the first four days after the cameras were turned back on. The cameras had been shut off after 2 lawsuits were filed challenging the constitutionality of the speed cameras in May 2017. The Iowa Supreme Court ruled in favor of the speed cameras and they were turned back on on July 1, 2019. The speed camera company is slated to get 1.7 million out of the 4.7 million generated. I rest my case!

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Cedar Rapids, not Cedar Falls

maddog67 wrote:

I am not a great fan of speed cameras. A few months ago, I was driving through Cedar Falls, Iowa. I was in a rental car and driving with the flow of traffic. I remember because it was about 0830 on a Wednesday morning during rush hour traffic. I was not driving in the inside lane because of people passing me. Last month, I received a bill from the rental car company because they had received a citation notice from the speed camera company. It is bewildering to me that I was supposed to be speeding when I was in the middle of traffic. But, the problem is, it is not worth the time or the trouble to drive 500 miles to fight the ticket in court when it is a civil matter. Since this will not show up on a person's driving record, it makes me wonder how many people will just pay the ticket instead of going to court to contest the charge. I wonder if sometimes they don't just focus on out of state plates because they know that people will not fight the charge.

Cedar Falls does not use enforcement cameras AFAIK, so I think you are talking about Cedar Rapids, affectionately known as Speeder Trapids by some who pass through here smile . You don't get a ticket unless you are clocked going 12 MPH or more over the posted speed limit which is 55 through the downtown "S" curves. That's what catches a lot of people because they are coming off the open interstate with a speed limit of 70 and typical driving speed of 75 or 80. Then quite quickly the speed limit reduces to 60, then 55 through downtown. And I can assure you they do not discriminate against "out of towners." or give special privilege to the locals. Many locals (including my son-in-law) have received tickets from these cameras. The local drivers quickly learn (after getting a ticket) exactly where the cameras are located, and slow down when they pass the cameras.

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Yep, you are right

I always get those two cities confused. It was Cedar Rapids. My mistake. If they don’t discriminate, then they must have gotten about 20 of us. I hope that they use my money wisely. grin

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