School zone and speed cameras reduntant?

 

I have the speed zone POIs on my 2595 and I downloaded the "speed cameras" as well..what I'm finding is that I'm getting dual alerts at every school zone which I guess would be expected, so my question is,is it redundant to have the two files on my unit?..the school zones by themselves worked fine...I realize that the speed cameras cover a huge area where as the school zones is local (at least for me)
Should I keep both files to cover my a** everywhere and just put up with the double alerts?

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speed zone POIs

What speed zone POI file did you load? Is it different from the Speed Camera file?

dobs108 smile

My bad...

dobs108 wrote:

What speed zone POI file did you load? Is it different from the Speed Camera file?

dobs108 smile

My bad, it is the Speed Camera file...
and the other file is the School Speed Zones for my area..

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My US results

Johnny Coffee wrote:
dobs108 wrote:

What speed zone POI file did you load? Is it different from the Speed Camera file?

dobs108 smile

My bad, it is the Speed Camera file...
and the other file is the School Speed Zones for my area..

Here in the SW USA, I have my built in nuvi's School Zones and I've added the POI Factory's speed and redlight cameras' POI files. I've never had a double alert.

In your part of Canada, is it common to have speed cameras in School Zones? To me, that's what I expect given your results. If speed cameras are not common where you are, it's possible that The POI Factory's Speed Camera POI file is falsely adding Speed Camera locations at your School Zones. If this is correct, maybe GlobeTurtle can offer some advice since it may be that The Factory's Speed Camera file has mistakenly added your local School Zones' locations to the Speed Camera POI file.

On the other hand, JC mentions School Speed Zones POIs. If this is one of specialized Winnipeg or Toronto POI files, it may be duplicating what's already in the Speed Camera's POI file. If so, you could consider not installing the Winnipeg or Toronto file since it's already covered by The Factory's Speed Camera's file.

Double vision...

CraigW wrote:
Johnny Coffee wrote:
dobs108 wrote:

What speed zone POI file did you load? Is it different from the Speed Camera file?

dobs108 smile

My bad, it is the Speed Camera file...
and the other file is the School Speed Zones for my area..

Here in the SW USA, I have my built in nuvi's School Zones and I've added the POI Factory's speed and redlight cameras' POI files. I've never had a double alert.

In your part of Canada, is it common to have speed cameras in School Zones? To me, that's what I expect given your results. If speed cameras are not common where you are, it's possible that The POI Factory's Speed Camera POI file is falsely adding Speed Camera locations at your School Zones. If this is correct, maybe GlobeTurtle can offer some advice since it may be that The Factory's Speed Camera file has mistakenly added your local School Zones' locations to the Speed Camera POI file.

On the other hand, JC mentions School Speed Zones POIs. If this is one of specialized Winnipeg or Toronto POI files, it may be duplicating what's already in the Speed Camera's POI file. If so, you could consider not installing the Winnipeg or Toronto file since it's already covered by The Factory's Speed Camera's file.

"On the other hand, JC mentions School Speed Zones POIs. If this is one of specialized Winnipeg or Toronto POI files, it may be duplicating what's already in the Speed Camera's POI file. If so, you could consider not installing the Winnipeg or Toronto file since it's already covered by The Factory's Speed Camera's file."

I think this is exactly whats happening,I've removed the School Zones Speed alerts file and we'll see how the alerts are next time I head out.There obviously is overlap with the two files...not a biggie but noted.
I'm assuming all will be fine now, but will post back the results!

Cheers!

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After lunch?

Johnny Coffee wrote:

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I'm assuming all will be fine now, but will post back the results!

Cheers!

...After a hearty lunch of poutine?

It's all gravy!

CraigW wrote:
Johnny Coffee wrote:

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I'm assuming all will be fine now, but will post back the results!

Cheers!

...After a hearty lunch of poutine?

How can you possibly go wrong with cheese, gravy and potatoes?.. wink

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Sounds delicious ...

but "hearty"? I guess it depends on your definition of hearty razz

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Speaking of Canadian culture...

alandb wrote:

but "hearty"? I guess it depends on your definition of hearty razz

Coming from the USA, we Yanks connect things like donuts to Law Enforcement officers (plus Homer Simpson). I had wondered what it was like north of the border.

Having worked three seasons in Skagway AK, I generally headed up to Canada about every three weeks for some grocery shopping and a meal...two customs crossings and a good couple of hundred miles round trip. I must admit that I secretly chuckled to myself when in line for a coffee and donut at Tim Hortons in Whitehorse one day when I noticed three RCMP constables ahead of me in line.

Maintiens le droit!

Do Canadians watch The Simpsons?

Canadian cuisine

Several years ago in October, an online friend from Edmonton invited me to share her Thanksgiving feast. I was unable to go but have always regretted that I didn't have the opportunity to try her fiddlehead dish she had on the menu. smile

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Doh nut

CraigW wrote:
alandb wrote:

but "hearty"? I guess it depends on your definition of hearty razz

Coming from the USA, we Yanks connect things like donuts to Law Enforcement officers (plus Homer Simpson). I had wondered what it was like north of the border.

Having worked three seasons in Skagway AK, I generally headed up to Canada about every three weeks for some grocery shopping and a meal...two customs crossings and a good couple of hundred miles round trip. I must admit that I secretly chuckled to myself when in line for a coffee and donut at Tim Hortons in Whitehorse one day when I noticed three RCMP constables ahead of me in line.

Maintiens le droit!

Mounties like their Tims!..haven't watched the Simpsons in years but was a fan for a while..
South of the 49th, I heard that "Due South" was almost a religion!..
Personally I never got that show wink

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Fiddles...

alandb wrote:

Several years ago in October, an online friend from Edmonton invited me to share her Thanksgiving feast. I was unable to go but have always regretted that I didn't have the opportunity to try her fiddlehead dish she had on the menu. smile

We do Fiddleheads in butter in a frying pan first thing in the Spring when they are still coiled..infuse the butter with a bit of garlic and lemon zest...no words to describe how delicious!!

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Schools in...

Well after deleting the School Zone Speed file, I failed to receive any alerts for the reduced speed school zones so I installed the file again, and I'll just have to put up with the occasional double alert, as it doesn't appear to be all the zones..only a few so far.
I'd rather be doubly covered than get a $400 surprise in the mail!

Cheers again for the banter!

smile

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Oh Fudge, It's not the Canadian way!

Johnny Coffee wrote:

South of the 49th, I heard that "Due South" was almost a religion!..
Personally I never got that show wink

It was OK but nothing compared to Dudley, especially like this one where he should have been using a GPS rather than a paper map:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q83Jqd2h0Yg

"Here, here! You oughtn't to do anything like that, tying defenseless people to railway tracks. It's not the Canadian way!"

Hey Rocky!

CraigW wrote:
Johnny Coffee wrote:

South of the 49th, I heard that "Due South" was almost a religion!..
Personally I never got that show wink

It was OK but nothing compared to Dudley, especially like this one where he should have been using a GPS rather than a paper map:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q83Jqd2h0Yg

"Here, here! You oughtn't to do anything like that, tying defenseless people to railway tracks. It's not the Canadian way!"

LOL!
I have the complete Bullwinkle collection on DVD!...and George of the jungle!..they still make me laugh, timeless!

another great show in the day with our very own Billy Van was The Hilarious House of Frightenstein, although shot in NY..it was always associated with Canada.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poW0OJGT9C4

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It really depends on how the

It really depends on how the school zone file was set up and what area you are in.

In many areas in Canada, there are two types of speed cameras: fixed-location red light cameras (that also do speeding violations) and mobile photo radar units. Many speed zone files contain both fixed camera locations plus the commonly-found mobile radar (speed trap) areas.

This is why you often get double warnings in school zones. Speed camera files may contain commonly-found mobile radar sites, and school zone files contain all possible mobile radar sites.

In some areas (Winnipeg for example) there are a third-type of speed camera, and this is the mobile radar vehicles set up in the reduced-speed (30KPH) school zones.

I run two POI files - the Cyclops safety camera subscription, and the Winnipeg Reduced-Speed school zone file. Why do I not run the POI Factory speed camera file? Simple. It does not discriminate about direction of travel, which means it gives false alerts in three of the possible four directions of travel. I hate false alerts. The Garmin subscription-based speed camera Cyclops file contains alerts ONLY in the direction of travel where cameras are actually installed.

As for the reduced speed zone file, I use my own custom-made file that contains EVERY reduced speed school zone in Winnipeg. (It even covers a speed zone that does not exist in the bylaw, making it an illegal speed zone.) Mind you, it took literally two years of work to develop that file, as it only alerts if your speed is about 30KPH and only on streets that are true reduced-speed streets.

Basically, every Winnipegger has given up on the concept of safety and acknowledged that it is ALL about revenue generation. (There has not been ONE SINGLE documented case of a kid being hit in a school zone between 7AM and 5:30PM, Monday to Friday, September to June, relating to excess speed in 40 years!)

It is all about money

Chickenhawks wrote:

Basically, every Winnipegger has given up on the concept of safety and acknowledged that it is ALL about revenue generation. (There has not been ONE SINGLE documented case of a kid being hit in a school zone between 7AM and 5:30PM, Monday to Friday, September to June, relating to excess speed in 40 years!)

Much the same in Edmonton. Because it was so lucrative Edmonton has now included junior high schools this year.. And our noble leaders are trying to convince us that we should also include play grounds.. especially because they would be an income source the whole year.

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Dollars and sense

Chickenhawks wrote:

It really depends on how the school zone file was set up and what area you are in.

In many areas in Canada, there are two types of speed cameras: fixed-location red light cameras (that also do speeding violations) and mobile photo radar units. Many speed zone files contain both fixed camera locations plus the commonly-found mobile radar (speed trap) areas.

This is why you often get double warnings in school zones. Speed camera files may contain commonly-found mobile radar sites, and school zone files contain all possible mobile radar sites.

In some areas (Winnipeg for example) there are a third-type of speed camera, and this is the mobile radar vehicles set up in the reduced-speed (30KPH) school zones.

I run two POI files - the Cyclops safety camera subscription, and the Winnipeg Reduced-Speed school zone file. Why do I not run the POI Factory speed camera file? Simple. It does not discriminate about direction of travel, which means it gives false alerts in three of the possible four directions of travel. I hate false alerts. The Garmin subscription-based speed camera Cyclops file contains alerts ONLY in the direction of travel where cameras are actually installed.

As for the reduced speed zone file, I use my own custom-made file that contains EVERY reduced speed school zone in Winnipeg. (It even covers a speed zone that does not exist in the bylaw, making it an illegal speed zone.) Mind you, it took literally two years of work to develop that file, as it only alerts if your speed is about 30KPH and only on streets that are true reduced-speed streets.

Basically, every Winnipegger has given up on the concept of safety and acknowledged that it is ALL about revenue generation. (There has not been ONE SINGLE documented case of a kid being hit in a school zone between 7AM and 5:30PM, Monday to Friday, September to June, relating to excess speed in 40 years!)

Thanks for that in-depth explanation, that is exactly what I've done now and it has as you said, reduced the false alerts completely.
I gotta agree with you about revenue generation, but I find in Winnipeg that the drivers are horrendous for just about every driving infraction from failing to yield to speeding through school zones and everything in between..so I look at the tickets and those who receive them to be justified in most cases, I've lived in most major cities in Canada and have never encountered such horrible drivers as in Winnipeg.

Cheers,
JC

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School Zone Alerts Good For Cell phone Usage

In Illinois, the law is that you must be using "Hands Free" devices - whether it be cell phone for talking or texting, or PND (GPS) or MP3 Player - or anything else.

What many people don't think about is that it is illegal (at least in Illinois) to be on a cell phone in Construction Zones and school zones. Not just hands free - but hang it up completely.

While we know in reality that most people don't follow this - the school zone alerts could have a practical purpose if used in this way. Speed zone alerts for one thing and school zone alerts for another.

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No teeth

Airbrushed wrote:

In Illinois, the law is that you must be using "Hands Free" devices - whether it be cell phone for talking or texting, or PND (GPS) or MP3 Player - or anything else.

What many people don't think about is that it is illegal (at least in Illinois) to be on a cell phone in Construction Zones and school zones. Not just hands free - but hang it up completely.

While we know in reality that most people don't follow this - the school zone alerts could have a practical purpose if used in this way. Speed zone alerts for one thing and school zone alerts for another.

What the biggest issue is here and most places in Canada, are laws with no teeth..a law that is not enforced properly isn't worth the paper it's drafted on. Then there's the other side of the coin where people in general are so brain dead and self absorbed that NO amount of laws, penalties or fines will change their behavior.

Just a note..a guy was clocked yesterday doing 80kmh in a 30kmh in a school zone, failing to stop at a marked crosswalk AND driving around a stopped school bus with lights flashing...you truly can't fix stupid.

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Double warnings

I get the odd double warning. I just edit the file(s) in Notepad and remove one of the locations before loading it in POI Loader. No more double warnings.