Refunds for short yellow light

 

it's mind-boggling

that anybody could be "caught" by a shortened yellow. I keep thinking about 4 y.o. kids waiting at the blue line for the puck to cross first.

It's neither ethical nor legal to monkey with the yellows, but mind-boggling that people would get caught and not be able to stop prior to a red, especially given that the rlc arms a fraction of a second after red.

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Maybe I am a much more observant driver, but coming up to a traffic light I try to see what the pedestrian signal is doing. By observing that, you get advance warning that the light For vehicles is about to change.

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Melaqueman wrote:

Maybe I am a much more observant driver, but coming up to a traffic light I try to see what the pedestrian signal is doing. By observing that, you get advance warning that the light For vJunehicles is about to change.

I used to do the same thing... But where I'm at now they don't seem to have those pedestrian crossing signals that indicate how much time a bipedal target has to accomplish the objective of traversing from one side of the highway to the other. Kinda makes me think of the question, "Why did the chicken cross the road?"

Hence no yellow light count down indicators either... But then again, there are bloody few RLC's and I don't know of any Speed cams either...

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Shortened Yellow...

Shortened Yellows...

So what else is new ? Shortened yellows at camera intersections have been around since the Mayflower landed. It was (and has been) all about the $$ money $$ exclaim

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It is a matter of human reaction time

If there is insufficient time to react to the light change, one cannot respond safely in an appropriate manner, thus one blows through the light or one panic stops and potentially creates a rear-end accident.

During my commute it is quite common for people to panic stop due to the red light camera intersections. Or they drive 5 to 10 mph over the speed limit to get through on green lights.

not unless

Nuvi1300WTGPS wrote:

Shortened Yellows...

So what else is new ? Shortened yellows at camera intersections have been around since the Mayflower landed. It was (and has been) all about the $$ money $$ exclaim

Nuvi1300WTGPS

Not unless history is wrong!

Wikipedia wrote:

The first electric traffic light was developed in 1912 by Lester Wire, an American policeman of Salt Lake City, Utah, who also used red-green lights. On 5 August 1914, the American Traffic Signal Company installed a traffic signal system on the corner of East 105th Street and Euclid Avenue in Cleveland, Ohio. It had two colors, red and green, and a buzzer, based on the design of James Hoge, to provide a warning for color changes. The design by James Hoge allowed police and fire stations to control the signals in case of emergency. The first four-way, three-color traffic light was created by police officer William Potts in Detroit, Michigan in 1920. Ashville, Ohio claims to be the home of the oldest working traffic light in the United States, used at an intersection of public roads from 1932 to 1982 when it was moved to a local museum.

The Mayflower had arrived 300 years before the traffic light was installed.

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I think we're all in agreement

a) it is unethical and illegal to monkey with yellows, rlc or no rlc

b) if you cannot properly stop your vehicle because 1/10th of a second was shaved off a yellow, you don't deserve to drive. The notion of being forced to run a red as a result is pretty preposterous.

(Think--4 y.o. ice hockey players can stay onside and wait for the puck to cross first)

I'm sure we don't agree on b)

johnnatash4 wrote:

a) it is unethical and illegal to monkey with yellows, rlc or no rlc

b) if you cannot properly stop your vehicle because 1/10th of a second was shaved off a yellow, you don't deserve to drive. The notion of being forced to run a red as a result is pretty preposterous.

(Think--4 y.o. ice hockey players can stay onside and wait for the puck to cross first)

I'm sure I don't agree with you on b). One tenth of a second makes a big difference when you are talking about reaction time and stopping a vehicle traveling at the speed limit. If anything, the yellow lights should be made a full second longer than mandated.

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Box Car wrote:
Nuvi1300WTGPS wrote:

Shortened Yellows...

So what else is new ? Shortened yellows at camera intersections have been around since the Mayflower landed. It was (and has been) all about the $$ money $$ exclaim

Nuvi1300WTGPS

Not unless history is wrong!

Wikipedia wrote:

The first electric traffic light was developed in 1912 by Lester Wire, an American policeman of Salt Lake City, Utah, who also used red-green lights. On 5 August 1914, the American Traffic Signal Company installed a traffic signal system on the corner of East 105th Street and Euclid Avenue in Cleveland, Ohio. It had two colors, red and green, and a buzzer, based on the design of James Hoge, to provide a warning for color changes. The design by James Hoge allowed police and fire stations to control the signals in case of emergency. The first four-way, three-color traffic light was created by police officer William Potts in Detroit, Michigan in 1920. Ashville, Ohio claims to be the home of the oldest working traffic light in the United States, used at an intersection of public roads from 1932 to 1982 when it was moved to a local museum.

The Mayflower had arrived 300 years before the traffic light was installed.

Obviously, by your above post, you missed my "tongue in cheek" response. Seeing this was the case, I'll make sure next time I dumb it down for you so you'll get it! rolleyes

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johnnatash4 wrote:

b) if you cannot properly stop your vehicle because 1/10th of a second was shaved off a yellow, you don't deserve to drive. The notion of being forced to run a red as a result is pretty preposterous.

A few tenths of a second can make a big difference, especially in heavy commuter traffic. At 60 mph you travel approximately 88 feet per second, which means at 30 mph you travel approximately 44 feet per second. In a tenth of a second you can travel 4.4 feet at 30 mph and 8.8 feet at 60 mph. Those distances do not sound like much, but they can make a big difference.

I never said I could not stop, rather I may not be able to stop safely. I can slam hard on my brakes in my Jetta with its excellent ABS system and halt fine. However, the vehicle behind me might rear end me because it cannot stop in the same distance or as rapidly. Or I could stop and come to the stop in the middle of an intersection.

Would you prefer that someone drive under the speed limit 5 mph ahead of you to make certain they can stop in time? Would you want them to panic stop in front of you due to a red light camera equipped intersection due to a shorter yellow?

Would you want red light camera equipped intersections to have even a reduction of 1 second over the mandated minimum? Or would you prefer that drivers have 1 second or more extra time for the yellow to make certain drivers can safely stop?

I would rather

TxTDIWagen wrote:
johnnatash4 wrote:

b) if you cannot properly stop your vehicle because 1/10th of a second was shaved off a yellow, you don't deserve to drive. The notion of being forced to run a red as a result is pretty preposterous.

A few tenths of a second can make a big difference, especially in heavy commuter traffic. At 60 mph you travel approximately 88 feet per second, which means at 30 mph you travel approximately 44 feet per second. In a tenth of a second you can travel 4.4 feet at 30 mph and 8.8 feet at 60 mph. Those distances do not sound like much, but they can make a big difference.

I never said I could not stop, rather I may not be able to stop safely. I can slam hard on my brakes in my Jetta with its excellent ABS system and halt fine. However, the vehicle behind me might rear end me because it cannot stop in the same distance or as rapidly. Or I could stop and come to the stop in the middle of an intersection.

Would you prefer that someone drive under the speed limit 5 mph ahead of you to make certain they can stop in time? Would you want them to panic stop in front of you due to a red light camera equipped intersection due to a shorter yellow?

Would you want red light camera equipped intersections to have even a reduction of 1 second over the mandated minimum? Or would you prefer that drivers have 1 second or more extra time for the yellow to make certain drivers can safely stop?

Just drive as if the cams are not there, because they do not affect me one way or another. I pass through 3 per day, each way to work, for a total of 6. More than half the time I go through on yellow. The incessant argument over rocks show this is a first world forum.

Shorten Yellow=More money

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