Crossed the White Line at a Red Light Camera Intersection and Stopped

 

Today, my wife had stopped at a red light in a left turn lane along with a number of other cars that were ahead of her at a red light camera intersection. The light turned green and the cars ahead were all turning left. By the time she had approached the white line of the crosswalk to turn left behind the other cars, the light had already turned yellow and she decided to simply stop rather than continue. But by the time she had fully stopped, she had gone past the white line and had entered into the crosswalk with her tires and the light had turned red.

It is hard to determine from recall whether 1. she had already crossed the white line and after that the light turned red and--still in motion--she finally stopped in the middle of the crosswalk or 2. the light turned red before she had crossed the white line and she proceeded to cross the white line with the light being red and she stopped in the middle of the crosswalk, of course, just past that white line. At any rate, we shall see whether or not a ticket will arrive in the mail for that. My wife does not believe that a ticket will show up in the mail. As for me, I don't know what will happen because I have heard such crazy stories about these things. I suppose time will tell.

Lastly, I suppose the key issue is how a ticket is generated in this situation: whether a ticket is generated based upon a technicality--that is, crossing the white line on a red light--or whether a ticket is generated based upon something more meaningful--actually crossing the the white line at a red light and continuing on through the intersection to complete the turn. It seems that common sense dictates that running a red light should be the violation and not simply stopping at the crosswalk on a red light.

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In some cities...

Probably city policy but if you cross the while line while it is red you probably in effect just ran the light.

Did not proceed

My understanding is that there are two pictures; the first would show the car behind the line and the light clearly red; the second would show the car proceeding through the intersection with the light red. This would be accompanied by a video of the event.

These pictures are reviewed by an officer - so the process is not just an automatic mailing of tickets.

Since your wife did not proceed, you should not get a ticket.

The fact that she was over the white line should not matter. I have never heard of a ticket being issued for stopping over the line.

We would appreciate your following up with us in, say, two months.

completely depends

On the jurisdiction as to what they do. By that I mean county by county and city by city. SOME places, people look at each photo to ensure a violation occurred, some places , if a photo was taken, just send it out and its up to the owner of the vehicle to dispute it.

So it seems to be inconsistent as to how its interpreted let alone enforced.

There's a couple of intersections in Md. Where my car was flashed (usually early in the morning 04:00) and sometimes of get the ticket and other times no ticket for the same violation. I never had to pay, and when I challenged the photo the ticket was dismissed... So I dunno....

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My understanding is that there is quite a bit of variation ...

Different cities have different protocols.

The rule that drives me up the wall is regarding right turns on reds. One city's RLCs give tickets for running a red light if the auto doesn't come to a complete stop right before the line before it made the right turn.

The problem, IMHO, is that according to the city the driver is supposed to stop right before the line and then inch forward if needed to get a better view and make the turn. If you stop outside of the pavement sensor range it never registers a stop and you get a $500 ticket in the mail, even though you really did stop before the red light.

Given those stakes ($500 ticket), I always turn on my GPS with the RLC POIs announced before I hit the roads (Thank you POI Factory!!!). I then make doubly sure to stop right before the line when making right turns at RLC sites. From what I've seen, though, many drivers just avoid the risk of tickets at these RLC intersections by refraining from making right turns until after the light turns green thus slowing down traffic even further.

flashey things

at 5:30 am at an intersection I stopped at a red light and proceeded to pull ahead to take a free right the flashy thing flashed me "how rude lol" but I never got a ticket. the cameras around here must be used randomly because at times there not working at all. I never have gotten a ticket off of any of these cameras, knock on wood lol

In some juristictions crossing the white line....

is the same as running the red light. If you cross the white line before coming to a stop you just ran the light since you entered the intersection on a red light without stopping. Every jurisdiction can be different but if there is a white line on the pavement that is the stop line for that intersection at least in Washington.
If Fife, WA. if you stop after the white line you get a ticket even if you cross it by an inch. This is one of the great advantages to having RLC cameras versus a live officer would likely never write the ticket.

Lots of guesses and no one

Lots of guesses and no one really knows unless they work in enforcement in your jurisdiction and are the magistrate who would rule on your appeal (if you did) and then there is the appeal judge.

Really it all depends on if there was actually a set of photos taken. Some jurisdictions do not have "film" in all cameras, different if it is a digital camera, some are reviewed, some are not.

Good luck and let us all know as you have raised some levels of interest...lol

Crossed White Line

In Baltimore..... they would issue a ticket.

Money Grab......

Where I am some red light

Where I am some red light cameras give you a ticket if you approach a stop light at more than something like 15mph even if you stop short before the line.

Who knows

Who knows if a ticket will issue in this situation. It really sounds like it could go either way.

Usually they do like to have a picture of the offending vehicle clearly behind the line and clearly in the middle of the intersection.

Please do follow-up in a couple months whether a ticket arrived!

WHAT?

goboymd wrote:

Where I am some red light cameras give you a ticket if you approach a stop light at more than something like 15mph even if you stop short before the line.

I really cannot believe this. If such were the case, surely we would have heard about this from NMA, from thenewspaper.com, etc.

One flash is not a ticket.

That first flash is preparing the before image of the violation. The second flash occurs after the vehicle has passed the line on the red signal. If you don't pass on red, there is no second flash, hence no ticket. If it's bright enough, the strobes may not flash at all. I have triggered many a flash by approaching the intersection at a decent speed, but have stopped. I'm hoping to wear out those strobes prematurely by popping them often! mrgreen

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As this has nothing....

,,, to do with Garmins, suggest it be moved to the Ticket Cameras Forum:

http://www.poi-factory.com/forum/3

where such things are discussed.

Or perhaps Open Talk.

stopping.

In NY Both axles have to cross the white line to trigger the camera flash. If there was no flash you should be OK. You could still get a ticket for blocking the cross walk, or blocking the box - which is a lot more expensive.

If you did get a ticket - view the video clip online. It's kind of fun to watch as the car zips through the red and stops the debate.

Some use the curb as ticket line

So if you are not past the curb its not a RL ticket, could get ticket for blocking cross walk if real PD sees you.

This...

jgermann wrote:

My understanding is that there are two pictures; the first would show the car behind the line and the light clearly red; the second would show the car proceeding through the intersection with the light red. This would be accompanied by a video of the event.

These pictures are reviewed by an officer - so the process is not just an automatic mailing of tickets.

Since your wife did not proceed, you should not get a ticket.

The fact that she was over the white line should not matter. I have never heard of a ticket being issued for stopping over the line.

We would appreciate your following up with us in, say, two months.

I did the same thing twice. Crossed the sensor and the first camera/flash went off but I stopped before I entered the intersection. The second camera did not show the vehicle in the intersection and I never received a ticket either time.

In Texas

The written Transportation Code in Texas seems fairly clear.

On another web site it is stated:

"Just what exactly does “before entering the … intersection” mean? Well, for clarification, we can refer to Section 544.007 of the Transportation Code. It states:

§ 544.007. TRAFFIC-CONTROL SIGNALS IN GENERAL

(a) A traffic-control signal displaying different colored lights or colored lighted arrows successively or in combination may display only green, yellow, or red and applies to operators of vehicles as provided by this section.
(b) An operator of a vehicle facing a circular green signal[...]
(c) An operator of a vehicle facing a green arrow signal [...]
(d) An operator of a vehicle facing only a steady red signal shall stop at a clearly marked stop line. In the absence of a stop line, the operator shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection. [...]

So, we can infer from (d) above, that if your bumper crosses either the stop line or the beginning of the crosswalk AFTER the signal has turned red, you have violated the law"

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Both Axles

gotglasses wrote:

In NY Both axles have to cross the white line to trigger the camera flash...

Interesting.

nah

pratzert wrote:

In Baltimore..... they would issue a ticket.

Money Grab......

This is the doom and gloom sky is falling mentality.

My friend emailed me his violation in FLA.

The car in front of him ran the light (he was behind this car and ran it too).

There was full video as well as 3 jpegs.

The car in front clearly ran the light, and there was no flash.

As he proceeded, there was a flash, and he got a ticket.

This implies there was a grace period, where the system armed a split second after the light turned red.

With full video nowadays, there's no question if someone ran the light or did not.

In this case, the wife attempted to stop, it is impossible to provide a video showing the wife proceeding through on red.

No ticket. People who are doom and gloom gotta stop acting like the Cambridge Police.

LOL

jgermann wrote:
goboymd wrote:

Where I am some red light cameras give you a ticket if you approach a stop light at more than something like 15mph even if you stop short before the line.

I really cannot believe this. If such were the case, surely we would have heard about this from NMA, from thenewspaper.com, etc.

This is the WWW, people will make things up freely and easily.

Again, most of us have never gotten a ticket, so we are not speaking from experience. My friend emailing me his violation (login to it) shed even more light onto how the systems work.

THIS is why people hate and vote out RLCs

goboymd wrote:

Where I am some red light cameras give you a ticket if you approach a stop light at more than something like 15mph even if you stop short before the line.

and all the other local "rules" no one could ever keep track of. In fact, they are COUNTING on you not knowing them.

So I'm distracted by the kids fighting in the back approaching an intersection at 15 mph (which in my opinion is OLD MAN slow, but manage to stop fine before the line at a red light and I get a ticket in that town? Rediculous

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@williston

williston wrote:

{THIS Is Why People Hate And Vote Out RLCs}

goboymd wrote:

Where I am some red light cameras give you a ticket if you approach a stop light at more than something like 15mph even if you stop short before the line.

and all the other local "rules" no one could ever keep track of. In fact, they are COUNTING on you not knowing them.

So I'm distracted by the kids fighting in the back approaching an intersection at 15 mph (which in my opinion is OLD MAN slow, but manage to stop fine before the line at a red light and I get a ticket in that town? Rediculous

I am really surprised that you seem to believe the post by goboymd.

As I posted in response directly to goboymd, if what he posted had ever been true, can you explain to us how it would not have been picked up by National Motorist Association (NMA) or thenewspaper.com and touted to high heavens?

Has this "fact" really slipped by the local news in Maryland?

Indeed, how would the "violation" read? No red light was run. Surely the speed limit is greater than 15 MPH.

Since we have not read anything that would remotely indicate that the mere act of approaching a red light intersection at 15 MPH or more would trigger a traffic violation, I would have thought that you would have realized that what goboymd said was false.

But, perhaps I have missed the furor that would be caused by such a policy and you are able to furnish some links to the specifics.

you're wrong

mmullins98 wrote:

The written Transportation Code in Texas seems fairly clear.

On another web site it is stated:

"Just what exactly does “before entering the … intersection” mean? Well, for clarification, we can refer to Section 544.007 of the Transportation Code. It states:

§ 544.007. TRAFFIC-CONTROL SIGNALS IN GENERAL

(a) A traffic-control signal displaying different colored lights or colored lighted arrows successively or in combination may display only green, yellow, or red and applies to operators of vehicles as provided by this section.
(b) An operator of a vehicle facing a circular green signal[...]
(c) An operator of a vehicle facing a green arrow signal [...]
(d) An operator of a vehicle facing only a steady red signal shall stop at a clearly marked stop line. In the absence of a stop line, the operator shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection. [...]

So, we can infer from (d) above, that if your bumper crosses either the stop line or the beginning of the crosswalk AFTER the signal has turned red, you have violated the law"

Do you even realize how much trouble this type of can't use my brain/common sense mentality causes?

Yesterday, I was at a light, 2nd in line to make a left turn. After 3 cycles of the light where we did not get an arrow, I began tapping my horn to nudge the woman in front of me forward.

Being a woman of class and stature, she shouted what the F*** are you honking at me for?

I told her you need to move forward or we won't get a green arrow. Lo and behold, when she creeped up, we got the arrow.

Again, 5% of licensed drivers need to be removed from the road.

I think you have your

I think you have your percentage reversed.

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fair

phranc wrote:

I think you have your percentage reversed.

It has to be fair, I mean to permanently revoke the licenses of 5% of licensed drivers. With an exam being administered every 1 or 2 years. Only the top 95% has their licenses renewed.

If a person winds up in the bottom 5%, they have their licenses revoked, and can never be granted a license again, in any state. If you're 25, that kinda s****. If you're 90, you've been driving poorly for a long time, no worries.

I see kids today riding bikes on sidewalks, and on the left. Their parents have really done their kids a disservice, but imho are truly stupid to boot.

Nothing would surprise me anymore

jgermann wrote:
williston wrote:

{THIS Is Why People Hate And Vote Out RLCs}

goboymd wrote:

Where I am some red light cameras give you a ticket if you approach a stop light at more than something like 15mph even if you stop short before the line.

and all the other local "rules" no one could ever keep track of. In fact, they are COUNTING on you not knowing them.

So I'm distracted by the kids fighting in the back approaching an intersection at 15 mph (which in my opinion is OLD MAN slow, but manage to stop fine before the line at a red light and I get a ticket in that town? Rediculous

I am really surprised that you seem to believe the post by goboymd.

As I posted in response directly to goboymd, if what he posted had ever been true, can you explain to us how it would not have been picked up by National Motorist Association (NMA) or thenewspaper.com and touted to high heavens?

Has this "fact" really slipped by the local news in Maryland?

Indeed, how would the "violation" read? No red light was run. Surely the speed limit is greater than 15 MPH.

Since we have not read anything that would remotely indicate that the mere act of approaching a red light intersection at 15 MPH or more would trigger a traffic violation, I would have thought that you would have realized that what goboymd said was false.

But, perhaps I have missed the furor that would be caused by such a policy and you are able to furnish some links to the specifics.

Shortening the yellows without warning, which has been documented at length, is enough to make me suspect the entire system, companies, and municipalities that -clearly- got into this to make easy money. The logic in how these set-ups make a decision to send a ticket is like swiss cheese. Sure, the 15 mpg thing is probably urban legend but the majority of these scams aren't and it has destroyed my trust in the entire system. Up front disclaimer: I don't run red lights, never have, and do my best to comply with the yellow. If RLC are run honestly FOR SAFETY, I support them. I have almost been t-boned by "runners" a half dozen times, so I was a true believer at first. Not anymore.

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Destroying Trust...

williston wrote:

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Shortening the yellows without warning, which has been documented at length, is enough to make me suspect the entire system, companies, and municipalities that -clearly- got into this to make easy money. The logic in how these set-ups make a decision to send a ticket is like swiss cheese. Sure, the 15 mpg thing is probably urban legend but the majority of these scams aren't and it has destroyed my trust in the entire system. Up front disclaimer: I don't run red lights, never have, and do my best to comply with the yellow. If RLC are run honestly FOR SAFETY, I support them. I have almost been t-boned by "runners" a half dozen times, so I was a true believer at first. Not anymore.

Destroying trust is exactly what happens when "urban legends", misrepresentations and lies are repeated by opponents of cameras. Their intent is to inflame, not inform.

Since I did not have you slotted as an opponent of cameras, I was truly surprised by your earlier post. Thanks for the clarification.

No ticket...

If she stopped after the line in the crosswalk and didn't proceed through the light she won't get a ticket.. the traffic rules state that if your in a crosswalk you should stay there and not back up or proceed forward.. the video will clearly show she didn't proceed through the light.. If she gets one, fight it. No judge will convict you, the car, for going through the light.. Remember an officer reviews these tapes and the tickets are issued through his authority.. No cop would give anyone a ticket for safely stopping in the crosswalk so as not to go through the red light and cause an accident/fatality at the intersection.. Common sense I hope..

Nassau County

Frside007 wrote:

Probably city policy but if you cross the while line while it is red you probably in effect just ran the light.

That has been the rule in Nassau County on Long Island. If you cross the line, you have run the light even if you stop. There is always the possibility the person reviewing the video at the contractor will let it pass but you never know.

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Please help

Aardvark wrote:

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That has been the rule in Nassau County on Long Island. If you cross the line, you have run the light even if you stop. There is always the possibility the person reviewing the video at the contractor will let it pass but you never know.

@Aardvark,
I have looked and looked and have been unable to find anything that indicates that stopping at a red light with the front of your car over the white line has ever resulted in a traffic violation.

I suspect that people are interpreting the wording of the statute which says:

Quote:

1. Traffic, except pedestrians, facing a steady circular red signal, unless to make such other movement as is permitted by other indications shown at the same time, shall stop at a clearly marked stop line, but if none, then shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection, or in the event there is no crosswalk, at the point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of the approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway before entering the intersection and shall remain standing until an indication to proceed is shown ...

to mean that, if the front of the car is over a "white line", a violation has occurred. AND, that is certainly one way to interpret the wording.

However, it seems unlikely to me that anyone has ever received a ticket for such an action. Especially at a red light camera intersection in Nassau because of the video.

As long as we are only saying that there is a very, very remote possibility that someone would be given a ticket based on the "letter of the law", I have no problem. but, this is another of those "urban legends" that can people so inclined can assume has actually happened and repeat the story implying that it has happened.

great quote

That's the exact quote in a red light testimony at traffic court here in New York that the officer has to say to establish a prima facie case.. if he leave it out.. NOT GULTY.. at or before the clearly marked stop line, if no stop line, at or before the clearly marked crosswalk and if none exists the nearest point of the intersection..

So does documented cheating by the officials in charge

jgermann wrote:
williston wrote:

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Shortening the yellows without warning, which has been documented at length, is enough to make me suspect the entire system, companies, and municipalities that -clearly- got into this to make easy money. The logic in how these set-ups make a decision to send a ticket is like swiss cheese. Sure, the 15 mpg thing is probably urban legend but the majority of these scams aren't and it has destroyed my trust in the entire system. Up front disclaimer: I don't run red lights, never have, and do my best to comply with the yellow. If RLC are run honestly FOR SAFETY, I support them. I have almost been t-boned by "runners" a half dozen times, so I was a true believer at first. Not anymore.

Destroying trust is exactly what happens when "urban legends", misrepresentations and lies are repeated by opponents of cameras. Their intent is to inflame, not inform.

Since I did not have you slotted as an opponent of cameras, I was truly surprised by your earlier post. Thanks for the clarification.

Thank you jgermann, I appreciate your reply and I'll concede to your point about urban legends. However, corruption, payoffs and all the politicos with their hands in the till along with corp greed is what soured me on this technology and destroyed my trust in it long before the "15 mph approach" story. Not knowing the local "rules" is precisely why we need the RLC pois from this site. For me, it's a heads up warning that I'm about about to enter an "anything goes" intersection where the rules change without warning, so WATCH OUT!

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Nassau

While I was looking for info on being over the "white line" when you stop in Nassau County, I ran across this in
http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/agencies/tpva/rlc.html

Quote:

Traffic studies show that red-light running is a problem at several intersections in Nassau County. The goal of the red-light camera program is to change driver behavior. Studies across the country prove that red-light camera programs are successful at reducing the number of red-light runners and increasing compliance with traffic laws, thus making roadways safer for all drivers and pedestrians.

AAA: NYS Red-Light Camera Programs
"The only program to receive positive reviews from AAA [in New York state] was the Nassau County program, which AAA called 'exceedingly transparent and accessible.' Nassau County offered tours of its violation reviewing facility, and documented a decrease in all types of crashes and a decrease in revenue that reflected fewer violations."

see http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/05/19/aaa-nys-red-light-cam...

Always an interesting

Always an interesting thread...

is this real

or are people being facetious or playing the devil's advocate.

There are licensed drivers who are afraid of having their car touch a white line, lest they be ticketed.

I know, this is the www, but it makes me wonder at the same time.

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johnnatash4 wrote:

...There are licensed drivers who are afraid of having their car touch a white line, lest they be ticketed.
...

I am one of those people.

It is however interesting to see that the vehicle codes of Texas, New York and California, and probably other states to, use almost exactly the same wording on regulations about red lights:

“… shall stop (at the stop/limit line) … before entering the (cross walk/intersection)…”

Texas

mmullins98 wrote:

…§ 544.007. TRAFFIC-CONTROL SIGNALS IN GENERAL
….shall stop at a clearly marked stop line. In the absence of a stop line, the operator shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection.…

New York

jgermann wrote:

1. …, shall stop at a clearly marked stop line, but if none, then shall stop before entering the crosswalk, or in the event there is no crosswalk, at the point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of the approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway before entering the intersection and shall remain standing until an indication to proceed is shown ...

California

Quote:

...21453. (a) A driver facing a steady circular red signal alone shall stop at a marked limit line, but if none, before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, thenbefore entering the intersection, and shall remain stopped until an indication to proceed is shown, except as provided in subdivision (b)...

It seems to be intentionally and carefully drafted to be sufficiently precise and yet with enough wiggle room for interpretation.

Looking up in the dictionaries for colloquial American English, I found neither “at” nor “enter” defines a precise position.

I believe common sense, obeying the spirit of the traffic rules, being on the alert and courteous to fellow drivers, bicyclists and especially pedestrians are the best defense against traffic tickets and, worse yet, traffic accidents.

There was a tragic accident last week, unrelated to red light violation, at a busy intersection in my neighborhood that had one high-school kid on his way to classes killed. I cannot imagine the devastation this must have brought to the family of the kid and the remorse to the driver. I am still feeling overcome by sadness every time I drive by the makeshift memorial at the site of the accident.

Traffic ticket is nothing in comparison.

Front of Car over line.

That would be interesting! How to determine from a 2D photo, where exactly is the front of the car? How much further, than the tires, do the over-rides on the bumpers protrude? Where can the driver see the appropriate traffic?

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Update

This is an update to what happened on October 18, 2014. Today is December 1, 2014, and a ticket has not arrived in the mail. At this point, I believe the issue is settled.

Some day my ticket will

Some day my ticket will come...lol

it is

visiter555 wrote:

Always an interesting thread...

Very much so!

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False statement

gotglasses wrote:

In NY Both axles have to cross the white line to trigger the camera flash. If there was no flash you should be OK. You could still get a ticket for blocking the cross walk, or blocking the box - which is a lot more expensive.

If you did get a ticket - view the video clip online. It's kind of fun to watch as the car zips through the red and stops the debate.

I pop those flashes all day and never cross the line, either axle. Do some review...

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This

jgermann wrote:

My understanding is that there are two pictures; the first would show the car behind the line and the light clearly red; the second would show the car proceeding through the intersection with the light red. This would be accompanied by a video of the event.

These pictures are reviewed by an officer - so the process is not just an automatic mailing of tickets.

Since your wife did not proceed, you should not get a ticket.

The fact that she was over the white line should not matter. I have never heard of a ticket being issued for stopping over the line.

We would appreciate your following up with us in, say, two months.

This happened to me. Never got a ticket.

My 0.02

I'm sure I piss off a number of people behind me. When approaching most traffic lights there can be clues as to what is going to happen.
For one the pedestrian light is flashing or has changed to stop.
When I see that I start to prepare to stop and I DO NOT hammer the accelerator to boot through at any cost.

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AI wish

Melaqueman wrote:

I'm sure I piss off a number of people behind me. When approaching most traffic lights there can be clues as to what is going to happen.
For one the pedestrian light is flashing or has changed to stop.
When I see that I start to prepare to stop and I DO NOT hammer the accelerator to boot through at any cost.

They all behaved that way but they don't.

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LEO Friend Ticket Reviewer

I have a buddy who is a traffic officer with Lakeland Police Dept. here in Florida. He is one of the officers that reviews the red light camera videos for the city. I explained your situation and he said here your wife would not get a ticket. So I think you stand a pretty good chance of never seeing a ticket.

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SnookMook wrote:

I have a buddy who is a traffic officer with Lakeland Police Dept. here in Florida. He is one of the officers that reviews the red light camera videos for the city. I explained your situation and he said here your wife would not get a ticket. So I think you stand a pretty good chance of never seeing a ticket.

However, in jurisdictions where a for-profit entity gets a percentage of the "take", there is strong incentive to issue the violation in such cases.

stopping past white line at RLC location

I have done that on a couple of occasions in FL and have not been issued a citation ........ also was caught 3/4 of the way through a red light and was not issued a citation but I also have a dash cam with GPS that is always in operation so if I am ever fined I will at least have a documentation of the event. Not normally a law breaker but sometimes events happen and the RLC's sneak up on you. have a great day and hope this helps.

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I think you should be ok, especially if part of the car was still behind the white line.

Shouldnt get ticket since

Shouldnt get ticket since the vehicle had already passed the first line of crosswalk. Violation would only occur if the its a red light and the vehicle has yet to pass the closest line of crosswalk.

I agree I would not expect a

I agree I would not expect a ticket for a violation without another camera shot clearly showing the rear plate through the intersection.

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