Another blow for Red light camera.

…the beginning of the end of rlc's?

No, just poorly written laws implementing them. The ruling wasn't against the camera, it was about the way the ordinance was written and applied.

I was worried there for awhile

Good News???????????

Since it will go to Missouri supreme court for final resolution since the City of St. Louis is elevating to MO supreme court.

The laws is circumventing the MO constitution by saying the owner of the vehicles is the one driving the vehicles at the time of the suppose violation.

Chalk one up for the little guy!

By their nature, red light cameras violate due process, so any law allowing them is poorly written. It's time to ban them.

Just how do they violate due process?

In Pennsylvania, a RLC violation is sent to the registered owner of vehicle, however if that owner can prove they were not in possession of the car at the time of the violation the ticket will be tossed out.

Guilty unless you can prove innocence. Thought it was supposed to be the other way around.

... at least they give you a way to void the ticket if you weren't driving, something I'd wager most states with RLC don't do. It's also written into PA law that you do not have to give up who was driving.

Isn't that the reason why some municipalities don't charge points on red light camera tickets? They are treated the same as a (very expensive)parking ticket. Those tickets can be charged to the owner of the vehicle, unless the vehicle is reported stolen.

I am afraid they are here to stay. People would have to stop running lights to eliminate them as they wouldn't be cost effective. With all the idiots on the road and giving licenses to anyone who can fog a mirror nowadays there is no chance of that ever happening. Heard horror stories of driving tests in Germany. They have an odd concept, only give drives license to those who can drive. Very few here would pass their test. Here they just lower the speed limit another 10-25 mph to allow those who can't drive, drive.

Not sure what the reasoning was for no points for a RLC violation. Parking tickets are issued to the owner of the vehicle and that owner is responsible to pay the fine regardless of who had the car. In that respect RLC fines are different.

Just wait until they augment the license plate recognition with RFID of driver licenses. Then you don't have to worry about the ticket going to a vehicle owner who isn't driving.

Several of the cities in CA have done away with them also

I was in Jacksonville, FL 10 days ago, and they are going the other way. They are in process of installing new RLCs to grab revenue. It will be interesting to see how long they last before the courts start invalidating tickets.

...treated as a civil violation, not a criminal one. That is the reason points are not assessed to the driver of the vehicle. That is one reason I am opposed to RLC's. It is basically a revenue generating tool.

The 3 judge panel ruled the RLC statute conflicted with another state law, not the state's constitution.