Windows XP

 
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Wow...

Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:
Nuvi1300WTGPS wrote:
bobkz wrote:

As Strephon_Alkhalikoi said in a post, updates will cease to exist or be hard to find. I had to rebuild a machine for a friend, using his old XP disk. After installing the OS, I needed to update to Service Pack 3.. Try finding this stuff on a new build machine.. All updates now require you to find them, and then install them manually. This was very time consuming and will not want to do it again anytime soon.

That's why I saved and burned all my updates to a CD/DVD so whenever I installed or reinstalled my XP-OS I had everything
right at hand.

I've done that with all my computer OS's... starting with Win 3.1, 95, 98, 2000 and XP. Doing this I never had a problem getting any one of them to work.

Nuvi1300WTGPS

I'd like to find out from bobkz where I said updates will become the ex-parrot in the Monty Python skit. Windows Update still exists and the existing updates will continue being offered through it. No NEW updates will be offered however.

Autopatcher is what I used to install XP's updates rather than connecting to the Internet. It can download the correct patches and ignore the out of date ones, then install all the patches from disk. It also works for Vista and 7.

@Strephon_Alkhalikoi

When I said "As Strephon_Alkhalikoi said in a post, updates will cease to exist or be hard to find." I meant NEW Updates.. I am sorry if you thought that I meant that old and new updates will be removed. But I also was saying that the existing ones will no longer Auto update if you rebuild a machine..

I will be more careful when and if I should post anymore!

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What?

When and if you should post? Aren't you overreacting just a little?

Regardless, when you rebuild a machine, do you include installing the OS from scratch? Because if so, Windows XP will autoupdate. The fact there will be no new updates doesn't mean the autoupdate function will stop working. What will happen is that autoupdate only will function when reinstalling the OS from scratch or restoring a disk image where some updates are missing. XP will install all the updates it can and require you to install the updates that must be done manually. Once it's fully patched, the autoupdate feature steals a few CPU cycles waiting for new patches that will never come.

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That's good to know, Thanks!

chewbacca wrote:
Don B wrote:

I just ran across some information on the net saying that even if a person upgrades to Win7 greedy Microsoft is going to stop support for it in 2017.

Windows 7 SP1 extended support will end in January 2020.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

Just more designed obsolescence to force us to buy a product (Windows 8, 8.1 or whatever other travesty MS will have come up with by then) many of us neither desire nor need.

Fun fact: Charles O'Rear,

Fun fact:
Charles O'Rear, the photographer who took Windows XP 'Bliss' wallpaper.
http://youtu.be/AVXY8OEZAEQ

It was a good run - 12

It was a good run - 12 years. I also believe XP was the best windows OS product to date. I have Win 7 on my laptop which is OK, but my older machines still have XP and rock on.

It's going to be fun...

Several companies/government organizations have contracted with MS for extended support (such as the IRS, recently in the news for being about half way through its internal XP conversion effort).

So there WILL be a continuing stream of patches for XP available from Microsoft -- just not to everybody.

I think this is going to be fun... Think of the pirating of "Game of Thrones..." Popular content deliberately not made available to some interested markets.

Where such voids exist, they will be filled, such as:

-- with pirated copies of MS XP patches,

-- with malware passed off as pirated copies of MS XP patches

-- with things I haven't thought of, but could be quite entertaining!

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The only 'blue screen of death' that I have recently seen ...

... has been on my Win 7 HP laptop, running the latest Norton Internet Security, + every Win 7 update. Really not much else on the machine. and only use in the last year has been updating itself per above twisted

This XP machine hasn't see a BSOD in memory! If I ever do have problems I have an Acronis cloned drive ready to go. smile

(BTW The historic rule for MSFT OS is every 3 versions: ie DOS 3.3; Win 95; XP; Win 7. Figure late Win 9/10 will be another usable OS...unless businesses demand otherwise, & that resulting financial behavior (or not) becomes reflected in MSFT stock price!). wink

Thanks...

spera wrote:

Look at this Theme: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/windows-xp-theme-lubuntu

Thanks Spera... grin

Just what I've been looking for.

Nuvi1300WTGPS

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RIP windows XP

You been good to me until Windows 7.

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Support shouldn't be limited

k6rtm wrote:

Several companies/government organizations have contracted with MS for extended support (such as the IRS, recently in the news for being about half way through its internal XP conversion effort).

So there WILL be a continuing stream of patches for XP available from Microsoft -- just not to everybody.

if there is going to be support, why can't they make it available to everyone.

it's not limited

bsp131 wrote:
k6rtm wrote:

Several companies/government organizations have contracted with MS for extended support (such as the IRS, recently in the news for being about half way through its internal XP conversion effort).

So there WILL be a continuing stream of patches for XP available from Microsoft -- just not to everybody.

if there is going to be support, why can't they make it available to everyone.

It's no longer free.

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Yep!

k6rtm wrote:

Several companies/government organizations have contracted with MS for extended support (such as the IRS, recently in the news for being about half way through its internal XP conversion effort).

So there WILL be a continuing stream of patches for XP available from Microsoft -- just not to everybody.

I think this is going to be fun... Think of the pirating of "Game of Thrones..." Popular content deliberately not made available to some interested markets.

Where such voids exist, they will be filled, such as:

-- with pirated copies of MS XP patches,

-- with malware passed off as pirated copies of MS XP patches

-- with things I haven't thought of, but could be quite entertaining!

I second that opinion! It will happen. The question is how much of it. Asian versions of XP have been pirated for years and unable to download updates (without some tricks). But now, it will be the whole world!!

With the death of Windows XP, now is the perfect time to switch

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It Has Begun

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/28/us-cybersecurity-m...

The link will take you to an article about an Internet Explorer vulnerability that has existed since IE6. Microsoft is working on a fix, but Windows XP users will never receive it.

As of now, XP users can upgrade to Windows 7 or 8, or they can install Firefox or Chrome as a replacement browser. Microsoft recommends the upgrade path, and it's sound advice. This is only the beginning and it goes downhill from here for XP users.

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Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:

The link will take you to an article about an Internet Explorer vulnerability that has existed since IE6. Microsoft is working on a fix, but Windows XP users will never receive it.

This one is a special case. XP users are covered:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/msrc/archive/2014/05/01/out-of-ba...

XP IE fix currently available on standard Windows Update

Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:

Microsoft is working on a fix, but Windows XP users will never receive it

False.

Microsoft was pretty clear that they considered this one to be a special case, and has already provided an IE update for XP users at the standard Windows Update distribution point.

I obtained the IE update for five PCs today after seeing notification here (thanks) before any had noticed through their standard update checks. Interestingly enough, for my settings, which generally alert me of available update but don't autoinstall, and for which the selection box is normally preticked for all the updates categorized as important, the four Windows 7 machines all had that box initially not ticked (so I ticked it, of course) while on the XP machine that box was already ticked.

One of the Windows 7 machines did not require me to reboot after, the others all did require reboot.

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Microsoft Backpedaling?

It's rare to see Microsoft backpedal. In any event, it's a reversal of the information provided to news outlets. This reversal doesn't change the basic fact that XP is EOL and people should be upgrading to 7 or 8, if not purchasing a new PC altogether.

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Even though Windows XP is no

Even though Windows XP is no longer supported by Microsoft and is past the time we normally provide security updates, we’ve decided to provide an update for all versions of Windows XP (including embedded), today. We made this exception based on the proximity to the end of support for Windows XP.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2014/05/01...

agree on EOL

Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:

XP is EOL and people should be upgrading to 7 or 8, if not purchasing a new PC altogether.

Agreed. In fact the machine I did the XP IE fix on is days to a very few weeks from being put to death. The successor is a new build W7 machine which has been in commissioning in my study for weeks. When they trade places there will be no more XP on live machines in my home. Long and faithful (mostly) service, but the time is over.

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scott_dog wrote:
chewbacca wrote:
Don B wrote:

I just ran across some information on the net saying that even if a person upgrades to Win7 greedy Microsoft is going to stop support for it in 2017.

Windows 7 SP1 extended support will end in January 2020.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

Just more designed obsolescence to force us to buy a product (Windows 8, 8.1 or whatever other travesty MS will have come up with by then) many of us neither desire nor need.

Similar to the MS Office 365 extortion.

Microsoft blinked?

So, did MS blink in issuing the XP update for IE 8? I'm suspecting pressure from all sides to issue this fix.

They say it was issued because it happened so close to the ending of support.

What will the story be next time?

If MS makes the decision not to release an update when they could fix a vulnerability in XP, that's going to be interesting -- as in potentially exposing MS to liability.

On the other hand, saying they can't fix a problem because it can't be fixed in XP, that's a different story -- at least to someone who deals with technology.

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Glad to see it

I'm very happy that Microsoft issued an update for IE8 on XP. I don't use it everyday, but here are sites where I have no choice but to use IE. These are sites that I have to use in my business.

Protection

MikeG1 wrote:

I'm very happy that Microsoft issued an update for IE8 on XP. I don't use it everyday, but here are sites where I have no choice but to use IE. These are sites that I have to use in my business.

Is your Virus software security provider still updating XP? If not you may still be vulnerable to an attack. With many attacks you won't see any outward signs of a problem while the bad guys use your PC or steal data.

The attackers are now part of global organized crime networks and they are very smart and well funded. They are in it for credit cards and proprietary information. A good intrusion for them is In -- Steal something -- Out without being detected.

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Microsoft is still releasing

Microsoft is still releasing update for Windows XP today, May 13, 2014. The update is Windows MSRT (Malicious Software Removal Tools). It's not a patch.

Arguably not an update

chewbacca wrote:

The update is Windows MSRT (Malicious Software Removal Tools). It's not a patch.

To split hairs a bit, I think one might reasonably call this a defensive measure offered through their MS Update system, but not itself an update.

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It is an update

archae86 wrote:
chewbacca wrote:

The update is Windows MSRT (Malicious Software Removal Tools). It's not a patch.

To split hairs a bit, I think one might reasonably call this a defensive measure offered through their MS Update system, but not itself an update.

I'd categorize it as an update because MSRT gets updated once a month to include detection for new malware infections. It's not a software patch that fixes a known bug. It's not a defensive measure either because it does not prevent malware from infecting your computer. It cleans after the fact.

Quote ::The Microsoft

microsoft wrote:

The Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool is an anti-malware utility that checks computers running Windows 8, Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows XP*, Windows 2000, Windows Server 2012, Windows Server 2008, and Windows Server 2003 f

... snip ...

microsoft wrote:

g which, if any, malware was detected and removed.

*The Malicious Software Removal Tool will continue to be provided for Windows XP through July 14, 2015; it will also continue to be delivered automatically via Windows Update and for download via the Download Center.

my bold
still running win98 on a print server, not getting any windows updates, but it did for years after end of life.

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Windows XP & 7

My wife and I have 5 computers and all but one run under Win7. The lone hold-out is a system running XP. It is the only computer that will run my Adobe video programs. MS isn't the only company using planned obsolesce, Adobe does too. I used Adobe Premiere and Encore in my video business. I've closed the business and retired but still have use for video editing and mastering from time to time.

I recently tried to install Premiere on a resurrected Win7 machine (Premiere will run on Win7, just not right) so I could retire the XP machine. Adobe has taken down their website needed to install the older versions so, even though I have the license, I'm unable to use my $500.00 program on any new computer. So I have to keep my old XP machine running just to be able to use these two programs.

The idea that a software company only sells you the 'right' to use a program isn't right. They should retain the copyright but shouldn't be able to tell you when you have to stop using it. If they want to make you visit a website to install the program in order to control pirating then that's fine. But they should be required to keep that website active for a minimum amount of time (~50 yrs).

Since Microsoft doesn't seem to be able to write a bullet proof OS then they should be required by law to continue update support for at least 50 yrs from the end-of-life. These requirements are just common sense, like making companies responsible for all damages we suffer through their unwillingness to secure our personal data that they store.

End of common sense rant!

Bank and investment company discontinuing support for XP

My bank told all their customers, beginning, July 1, they will not be able to do online banking if they are using XP. They explained that the reason is because XP will become very insecure, and vulnerable to attacks from hackers. I got a similar notice from my financial advisor company they will discontinue online support beginning sometime in July 1st. Every time I log on, I get a warning that I will have to upgrade in order to see accounts, or transfer funds.

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Right

jackj180 wrote:

My wife and I have 5 computers and all but one run under Win7. The lone hold-out is a system running XP. It is the only computer that will run my Adobe video programs. MS isn't the only company using planned obsolesce, Adobe does too. I used Adobe Premiere and Encore in my video business. I've closed the business and retired but still have use for video editing and mastering from time to time.

I recently tried to install Premiere on a resurrected Win7 machine (Premiere will run on Win7, just not right) so I could retire the XP machine. Adobe has taken down their website needed to install the older versions so, even though I have the license, I'm unable to use my $500.00 program on any new computer. So I have to keep my old XP machine running just to be able to use these two programs.

The idea that a software company only sells you the 'right' to use a program isn't right. They should retain the copyright but shouldn't be able to tell you when you have to stop using it. If they want to make you visit a website to install the program in order to control pirating then that's fine. But they should be required to keep that website active for a minimum amount of time (~50 yrs).

Since Microsoft doesn't seem to be able to write a bullet proof OS then they should be required by law to continue update support for at least 50 yrs from the end-of-life. These requirements are just common sense, like making companies responsible for all damages we suffer through their unwillingness to secure our personal data that they store.

End of common sense rant!

Of course you are right on but we are just the customers and they know they almost have a monopoly for now. I have hated Windows from the start and loved Unix/Linux but the apps have been better on Windows. I grew up on main frames and Windows was nothing more than a toy in comparison(it still is!). Maybe once the world gets shut down because of Windows on the Internet then some form of Unix will become more popular.

End of my rant reply.

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Me to

eniku40 wrote:

...even heard of one 'upgrading' to Windows 7. How's that for job security.

I bought a new computer that had Win8 on it. I spent another $100 and upgraded to Win7

Thats a downgrade.

jackj180 wrote:
eniku40 wrote:

...even heard of one 'upgrading' to Windows 7. How's that for job security.

I bought a new computer that had Win8 on it. I spent another $100 and upgraded to Win7

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That would depend on your point of view...

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Was too

pwohlrab wrote:
jackj180 wrote:
eniku40 wrote:

...even heard of one 'upgrading' to Windows 7. How's that for job security.

I bought a new computer that had Win8 on it. I spent another $100 and upgraded to Win7

I changed a computer that was almost unusable and didn't have the features I wanted to one worked well and did have needed features. To most people, that would be an upgrade.

I agree that XP had a good

I agree that XP had a good run. One of the better OSes from MSFT. I upgraded to 7 for a while and have been very happy. 8 on the other hand is a big change and I'm not entirely used to it. I wish the change from 7 to 8 was more subtle.

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