How Long Until New Sections Of Streets Show Up In City Navigator?

 

I live near Apple Valley MN. A new road section of Flagstaff Avenue, that formerly ended at 147th St W, now continue to 140th St W. Approximately how long will it be until it shows up on City Navigator maps?

Months to years

I've seen recent street and intersection changes that appear within three months; i.e., the change was complete in the middle of one map version--and it was revised in Garmin's next quarterly map update. I've also seen, reported and heard others talk about reported changes not appearing even after a year or two.

I'm not sure how much it helps (it may be that it's dependent upon your local government updating their maps that eventually migrate to Navteq and Garmin), but it certain won't hurt for you to report the map change to both Garmin and Navteq.

Jim1348 wrote: I live near

Jim1348 wrote:

I live near Apple Valley MN. A new road section of Flagstaff Avenue, that formerly ended at 147th St W, now continue to 140th St W. Approximately how long will it be until it shows up on City Navigator maps?

They re-routed the end of my street to go behind some buildings it was the 2nd. update before it was changed.

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In the city were I work, I street that was formerly a dead end was connected 6 or 7 years ago and it still doesn't show up on the map updates even though Google Maps shows it connecting. And even though I reported it to Navteq shortly after it was connected.

So don't hold your breath.

Typically, interstates and larger roads will be updated fairly quickly. (1 - 1.5 years) Residential streets can take several years to be updated.

I've seen it take as long as

I've seen it take as long as 1-2 years for a major interstate here in Chicago.

New freeway on ramps

When driving on a busy street, Jill instructs to turn left in .2 miles to I-74 E. Then 100 yards before the interchange, a sign shows I-74 E, use right lane. The next light has a sign, No U turn.
Strange that Google has it updated within 30 days and Navteq 3 years...
And the I-5 detour in WA was posted on Google Maps in 2 days.

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I think this has more to do

I think this has more to do with Google's street view cars than anything else. I believe they analyze the pictures they take from the street view cars and update their maps based on this data. I have no idea how Navteq gathers their information but it must not be as automated as Google's method.

How Long

I've known of changes to roads and POI's that have nto made it onto currents maps for over 4 years.

I guess it's just such a huge undertaking to keep up with the changes that there is a long lag.

New Streets Listed

Jim1348 wrote:

I live near Apple Valley MN. A new road section of Flagstaff Avenue, that formerly ended at 147th St W, now continue to 140th St W. Approximately how long will it be until it shows up on City Navigator maps?

We had a new Round About added to a street near my office in December and it is already on the latest map update.

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jhuynh wrote:

I think this has more to do with Google's street view cars than anything else. I believe they analyze the pictures they take from the street view cars and update their maps based on this data. I have no idea how Navteq gathers their information but it must not be as automated as Google's method.

No. Not correct.

Brings back a lot of memories for me

Jim1348 wrote:

I live near Apple Valley MN. A new road section of Flagstaff Avenue, that formerly ended at 147th St W, now continue to 140th St W. Approximately how long will it be until it shows up on City Navigator maps?

Brings back a lot of memories for me when I saw your post.

I served on the Apple Valley Planning Commission's Architectural committee, lived in the Palomino Hills and Lake Alimagnet areas. I developed single family subdivisions, apartments and custom homes in Apple Valley from 1968-1982 and have not been back there in over 30 years. When I go to the Google maps sat view now I hardly recognize the entire area and the area East of Galaxie where you are talking about was just all farm land back then and now it is all built up.

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Maybe years. A new exit on a

Maybe years.

A new exit on a major interstate near me has been open for almost a year or now 3 map updates. It has yet to be included.

new street

I have a new residential street near my house that has existed for at least 2 years and is not in the latest map. I did sent an email with specific information about the new road, hoping that might speed up the introduction to the map.

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Spotty Updates

I can say some updates in Georgia roads some are there. Undeveloped subdivisions are mapped out, diverging diamond on 285 & Ashford Dunwoody Road - 6 month old construction - updated on the maps. A new state road built in Gordon, GA completed over a year ago but not in the map data.
So spotty updates at best.

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Care to elaborate?

Motorcycle Mama wrote:
jhuynh wrote:

I think this has more to do with Google's street view cars than anything else. I believe they analyze the pictures they take from the street view cars and update their maps based on this data. I have no idea how Navteq gathers their information but it must not be as automated as Google's method.

No. Not correct.

Care to elaborate? To my knowledge, google analyzes their street view data for street signs, business signs etc to gather information to update their maps.

Elaborate?

jhuynh wrote:
Motorcycle Mama wrote:
jhuynh wrote:

I think this has more to do with Google's street view cars than anything else. I believe they analyze the pictures they take from the street view cars and update their maps based on this data. I have no idea how Navteq gathers their information but it must not be as automated as Google's method.

No. Not correct.

Care to elaborate? To my knowledge, google analyzes their street view data for street signs, business signs etc to gather information to update their maps.

The Mother has spoken. She knows...
Where did you obtain your knowledge?

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article

spokybob wrote:

Where did you obtain your knowledge?

I can't find the original article(actually I think this is the article) I read but this one has a quote from Google that they use Street View to extract street signs..

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/09/how-go...

Quote:

Later in the day, Google Maps VP Brian McClendon put it like this: "We can actually organize the world's physical written information if we can OCR it and place it," McClendon said. "We use that to create our maps right now by extracting street names and addresses, but there is a lot more there."

More like what? "We already have what we call 'view codes' for 6 million businesses and 20 million addresses, where we know exactly what we're looking at," McClendon continued. "We're able to use logo matching and find out where are the Kentucky Fried Chicken signs ... We're able to identify and make a semantic understanding of all the pixels we've acquired. That's fundamental to what we do."

POIs

pratzert wrote:

I've known of changes to roads and POI's that have nto made it onto currents maps for over 4 years.

I guess it's just such a huge undertaking to keep up with the changes that there is a long lag.

I agree, POIs are a whole other story. It can be years before Garmin updates those files.

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too long

I find residential streets can take 3 years. That's too long when you're depending on your device to get you where you need to go for business.

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jhuynh wrote:
Motorcycle Mama wrote:
jhuynh wrote:

I think this has more to do with Google's street view cars than anything else. I believe they analyze the pictures they take from the street view cars and update their maps based on this data. I have no idea how Navteq gathers their information but it must not be as automated as Google's method.

No. Not correct.

Care to elaborate? To my knowledge, google analyzes their street view data for street signs, business signs etc to gather information to update their maps.

Yes. But they do not use Street View to plot roads on the map.

Navteq (now Nokia) does this too...

jhuynh wrote:

I think this has more to do with Google's street view cars than anything else. I believe they analyze the pictures they take from the street view cars and update their maps based on this data. I have no idea how Navteq gathers their information but it must not be as automated as Google's method.

Navteq does actually drive on the roads as well and does capture street imagery for data extraction purposes. If you go on Bing Maps and use the StreetSide view (the Bing equivalent of Google's street view), the imagery you'll see is imagery captured by Navteq. But as you'll notice, StreetSide has extremely spotty coverage compared to Google Maps' Street View, meaning Navteq drives the roads far less often than Google does, which is why you will always see new road updates appear quicker on Google Maps. Navteq just doesn't have the money and the man power to keep up with Google in that regard. But I will say this: while new road updates appear quicker on Google maps, I have found that Google's map data tends to have more errors than Navteq's. So Navteq may be much slower to add a road, but when they do eventually add it, it will just about always be accurate. I guess a few more inaccuracies is the price Google pays for rushing out new map data so fast.

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Garmin & Navteq

I'm not sure why the Garmin/Navteq map corrections are so inconsistent, but I've seen crazy things like a major new cross-county road in very populated areas take almost a year to correct, but other people see new subdivision road updates within months.

Lately I've been using CoPilot on my tablet, and have seen my submitted map corrections happen within 45 days, just like they advertise. According to a CoPilot employee on their forum, they also get their map data from Navteq.

Differing GPS provider arraingements with Navteq??

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Not sure how much it will speed up corrections

Garmin has a link to input map corrections

https://my.garmin.com/mapErrors/report.faces

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I have contacted Gamin and

I have contacted Gamin and NavTec many times over the past 10+ years to get corrections made. A new development cutting into a major thoroughfair took four years of monthly requests (the requests did nada) before it was added.

My own street name actually is Bramble and the Garmin & Navtec (ok & Google) had it as Ramble for two years, no matter how many times I contacted each one.

Navteq

visiter555 wrote:

I have contacted Gamin and NavTec many times over the past 10+ years to get corrections made. A new development cutting into a major thoroughfair took four years of monthly requests (the requests did nada) before it was added.

My own street name actually is Bramble and the Garmin & Navtec (ok & Google) had it as Ramble for two years, no matter how many times I contacted each one.

I have found that error submissions are functionally useless to the point that I don't understand why Navteq even has them. By the time they process the errors submitted, the information was corrected already by some other process.

It all depends

Jim1348 wrote:

I live near Apple Valley MN. A new road section of Flagstaff Avenue, that formerly ended at 147th St W, now continue to 140th St W. Approximately how long will it be until it shows up on City Navigator maps?

I've seen changes happen within a relatively short time for some changes and I've seen it take as long as 2 years for others. I reported to Navteq a route number change for a road I travel several times a year. A year later no changes had been made. I then reported it to them again and referenced a state map. Within a very short period of time, they had changed the route number. It may depend on the source, I don't know. confused

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Lots of variability

I agree with others here who have stated it really varies. I have seen things updated quickly, as in several months, and some things take years to update. Large roads seem to be a bit quicker for the most part, but they can also be very slow.