Ticket cameras as a revenue source

 

I saw this interesting article about how ticket cameras are a major government revenue source.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/americas-roads-h...

Do we really want to live in a "Big Brother" society where the government constantly tracks all of our movements?

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What do speed traps, parking tickets, toll roads, speed cameras and red light cameras all have in common? They are all major revenue sources for state and local governments.

All over America today there are state and local governments that are drowning in debt. Many have chosen to use "traffic enforcement" as a way to raise desperately needed revenue. According to the National Motorist Association, issuing speeding tickets raises somewhere between 4.5 billion and 6 billion dollars in the United States each year. And the average price of a speeding ticket just keeps going up. Today, the national average is about $150, but in many jurisdictions it is far higher. For example, more than 16 million traffic tickets are issued in the state of California each year, and the average fine is approximately $250. If you are wealthy that may not be much of a problem, but if you are a family that is barely scraping by every month that can be a major financial setback.

Meanwhile, America's roads are also being systematically transformed into a surveillance grid. The number of cameras watching our roads is absolutely exploding, and automated license plate readers are capturing hundreds of millions of data points on all of us. As you drive down the highway, a police vehicle coming up behind you can instantly read your license plate and pull up a whole host of information about you. This happened to me a few years ago. I had pulled on to a very crowded highway in Virginia and within less than a minute a cop car had scanned me and was pulling me over because one of my stickers had expired. But these automated license plate readers are being used for far more than just traffic enforcement now. For example, officials in Washington D.C. are now using automated license plate readers to track the movements of every single vehicle that enters the city. They know when you enter Washington, and they know when you leave. So where is all of this headed? Do we really want to live in a "Big Brother" society where the government constantly tracks all of our movements?

Back in the old days, the highways of America were great examples to the rest of the world of the tremendous liberties and freedoms that we enjoyed. Americans loved to hop into their vehicles and take a drive. But now government is sucking all of the fun out of driving. The control freak bureaucrats that dominate our political system have figured out that giant piles of money can be raised by turning our roads into revenue raising tools.

At this point things have gotten so bad that even some police officers are admitting what is going on. Just check out what a few of them told Car and Driver...

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weigh stations

Are these unconstitutional and revenue generators too? How about the penalty for bypassing one, too severe? Having a trooper towing a mobile scale, and using it on a CMV, is that unconstitutional too?

No demand

spokybob wrote:

Why lease? Seems to me that cities should be able to buy their own equipment. At $300 to $500 a ticket the cameras would pay for themselves soon. No contracts and keep all the money.

The companies that make the system and manage it are making way too much money the way it is. They have no reason to change to selling those systems, that would cut off their revenue stream.

That stinks.

Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:

It's not about manipulating photographs or video, because it doesn't even require that! In the state I live in, just to contest a ticket costs $100, which is not refundable even if you do manage to successfully fight the ticket. That is a guranteed revenue stream for the state, because no matter which way you go the state profits. So all the person looking at the picture or video has to do is send out the ticket, regardless of whether you've violated a traffic rule or not. This applies regardless of whether the state allows red light cameras or doesn't.

That just stinks to high heaven. Why the hell should any person who is not guilty of any crime at all have to pay $100 to dispute the charges?

That has not been tested in court, it sounds unconstitutional to me.

Unconstitutional

johnnatash4 wrote:

Are these unconstitutional and revenue generators too? How about the penalty for bypassing one, too severe? Having a trooper towing a mobile scale, and using it on a CMV, is that unconstitutional too?

No, it would be unconstitutional if the weigh stations were at every intersection, would send a notice of violation in the mail, even if you were one tenth of one ounce overweight, not care that there was a person too close behind so they were being weighed as well, not take into consideration that it was raining, so the weight of the water was causing a misreading, and if you wanted to protest that your truck was actually empty, it would cost an additional $200, and you'd still lose the case anyway.

Unconstitutional

twix wrote:
johnnatash4 wrote:

Are these unconstitutional and revenue generators too? How about the penalty for bypassing one, too severe? Having a trooper towing a mobile scale, and using it on a CMV, is that unconstitutional too?

No, it would be unconstitutional if the weigh stations were at every intersection, would send a notice of violation in the mail, even if you were one tenth of one ounce overweight, not care that there was a person too close behind so they were being weighed as well, not take into consideration that it was raining, so the weight of the water was causing a misreading, and if you wanted to protest that your truck was actually empty, it would cost an additional $200, and you'd still lose the case anyway.

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Steevo wrote:

That has not been tested in court, it sounds unconstitutional to me.

It has been tested. The person who tested it lost his case, and therefore the state can get away with it.

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What state was that?

Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:
Steevo wrote:

That has not been tested in court, it sounds unconstitutional to me.

It has been tested. The person who tested it lost his case, and therefore the state can get away with it.

What state was that?

Red Light Cameras Survive Court Challenge, St Louis

The class action suit in St. Louis challenged red light camera tickets do not allow for due process; not giving the opportunity for those who receive tickets to face accusers; challenge if the radar and cameras are working properly; and calling witnesses.

The courts said no. St. Joseph police have said in the past, a red light ticket is like any other vehicle violation.

"It's no different than what I've been doing myself for the past 24 years, every time I hang a parking ticket," said Sgt. Richard Ketchum with the St. Joseph Police Department
http://stjoechannel.com/fulltext?nxd_id=349302
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