anyone subject of a fishing traffic stop before?

vrapp:
I suggest you read the 2012 Illinois Rules of the Road, page 83

What page 83 days is the recommendation (rather than the law) that serves the interest of the police. It's your choice to follow it, or not. What I said is in the interest of the driver, rather than the police, and it basically mirrors the 1st episode of the movie "BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters", a must-watch on youtube. Certainly, this behavior (100% legal) won't make the officer happy, but that's exactly the choice you have to make - to make him happy, or to make yourself safe from him. If I correctly understood the concern of the OP of this thread, he was looking for the latter.

vrapp

Do you agree that the law requires a license to operate a motor vehicle?
Are you really saying that you do not have to produce license, registration and insurance documents until the officer complies with your demands?

Simply give the Fools some Answers, like I'm going to Los Angeles, by way of Omaha, thats why I'm way out of Route..Don't make the Cop Mad or else in this Country they can now Beat you to Death and say that they Feared for their Lives when they saw you trying to Block a Punch. While on the Subject of Mindless Morons (Cops) Searches ARE ILLEGAL unless the Law knows that what they are looking for is actually there, then they still need a Search Warrant. Recently I was Stopped for supposedly Turning Left on a Red Light (I didn't) The Stupid Cop asked me if I had any Illegal Drugs or Weapons in my Car and I told him NO. He then said "If you don't have any Illegal Drugs or Weapons, then you won't mind me Searching you car, Right"? I told the idiot that Yes, I do mind and reminded him that I had just told him I didn't have anything Illegal in my Car, so he didn't need to Search me. He Gritted his Green Teeth and it looked like for a Moment that he was going to take me down to the Ground, but he just Stared at me for many, many Seconds, then turned around walked to his Car and Drove away. I Smiled and Waved at him as he Drove past me. If a Cop is Mad, don';t let him inside your Vehicle for any reason, its too easy to "Plant" some Bad stuff and then Find it..

BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide To Surviving Police Encounters
10 Rules For Dealing With Police

Both videos are worthwhile viewing.

I prefer to be nice and courteous to people trying to keep me safe. It sounds to me that you are trying to start trouble.

It's the same on the 81 between the Tenn border and points north. And, there have been LOTS of drug runners caught that way. Pull me over any time.

Terrorized? No. This is not a case of being terrorized.

+1.

This is simply called "indoctrination".

When people are criticized for expressing their opinions, the reasons should be obvious..

By the way, objections are not always "rants".

Limiting the expression of opinions is called censorship in most free societies.

Sad how this country is losing its identity.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"! This my friends is the direction we are heading! Look it up! Criticism wasn't accepted in that philosophy either!

I was stopped in Florida at 2:30am coming home from fishing by a deputy for "Driving to safe" The road I was on is known for a very heave police presence. When I know this and would not think of breaking any traffic laws.(I have counted 16 different police cars in a 7 mile stretch)
Damned if you do, damned if you don't!

I think that's something I would be proud about. I would have that in my signature line: "Stopped for driving too safe."

I know it was not fun at the time, but I hope you can smile about it now.

Thanks for sharing.

Asking for your passenger's ID sounds odd.

If you read my long post to the end, you will see that no, I don't start trouble. My behavior is reactive. Cop's attitude and goal is usually very clear from the very first words. As I said, in most (by my own experience) cases cops are professional and friendly, and so am I. Last time this earned me dismissed 25+ mph speed violation in Florida, by using the tactics from the last paragraph of that post (which also involved uncommon exiting the vehicle in order to shake his hand).

But in the case like OP has posted, it's very clear that the cop is not "trying to keep me safe" but is looking to mount an excuse for stopping, which most likely will be followed by an attempt of searching the vehicle, which most likely will involve some intimidation. If you are being followed for a long time, the probability of a false charge becomes very high, and you have to be prepared and act accordingly, including recording the encounter. When the cop has real violation, it's one thing, and your good behavior works in your favor; when he does not, and trying to make it up, it's exactly the opposite. Cooperation in this scenario will cost you a lot.

If you watched the video "Busted" I recommended, you probably noticed that the 1st half of each episode in that video showed exactly the scenario of citizen's cooperation, and each inevitably ended with the same loud sound of the door of his cell.

> Are you really saying that you do not have to produce license, registration and insurance documents until the officer complies with your demands

I'm saying that the officer has to tell you why he stopped you - which is practically always what they do. He can't stop you if there was no violation.

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ter·ror
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Extreme fear: "people fled in terror"; "a terror of darkness".
The use of such fear to intimidate people, esp. for political reasons: "weapons of terror".
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Since the intimidation by government agents is being done in order to advance their careers, and is part of the "activities associated with the governance of a country or area" (definition of the politics), it seems like it does fall right into the definition.

As for "bad/stupid/misconceived actions of some government employees" - if those actions were exceptions, then, whenever they occurred, they probably would be quickly corrected by the system. I don't think you will find even one example to that - can you?

What happened to me was, I was coming up from Florida at night, raining and no traffic at the time. I noticed lights coming up fast and to close to my rear bumper. I said to my wife, this there is no traffic and this car looks like is smelling my tailpipe. I was concentrated on the road because of the rain. My wife kept a close eye on the car. The car left from behind me and sped up towards the exit. That was when my wife told me, the car was a highway patrol car. I thought the police came close enough to read the plate and since was raining did not wanted to be on the rain making a stop. At the time I was going 5 to 7 miles over the limit.

Then we disagree.

On US19 in Pasco County (might be other places also)
If you are going at or close to the speed limit late at night and there is no traffic the police will come right up on your bumper to try to get you to speed up so they can give out tickets.
They have done this to me quite a few times. My answer is to just keep going te same speed. If they hit me in the back it is on their dime.

I was stopped a couple years ago, going down a straight road, 1 lane each way, about 25 mph in a residential area.
Cop pulled out from a cross-street, where he was waiting way back from his stop sign at the intersection. My road had no stop sign.

No drinking, no drugs, no speeding, just law-abiding drive around 7pm. Finding nothing, Cop A said to the other "what do I do?" Cop B says "Doesn't matter. Use either marked lanes or turn signal, either will work."

Cop gives me a ticket for No Turn Signal.
I go to court to fight it, as the road was straight and there was no where to turn, much less use a signal.
I bring a map to court, and ticket is dismissed before I get to the judge. I try to make a complaint about the policeman, but am ignored.

This bothered me so much I wrote up a complaint but did not even get a response.
Seems that those in authority can break the Constitution of the United States at will, but a citizen gets a ticket, fine, and lost work for the smallest municipal infraction.

I've been driving for 40+ years now and I do not remember a stop like this. Maybe I've been lucky. But I am also white which I think helps. The OP didn't mention this or his age but I think both are also used to decide who gets stopped regardless of legality. But when I started driving I wasn't middle aged or more and I still didn't get stopped unless I deserved it. I had a cop lie about a ticket once so maybe I should count that but it wasn't a fishing situation. He decided to ticket me and he did. He also lied when we went to court and said it was in a residential area.

I don't recommend taking any sort of agressive stance with an officer, especially leaving your vehicle. They have a right to protect themself too and could think you are threatening them. That could make things much worse. The fact that I am above average in size would work against me. But I agree with the principal of not being overly cooperative. I think basic compliance, asking why you were stopped, letting the officer know you'd like to get back on the road are all reasonable. Being clear that you don't want to be searched no because you have anything to hide but because it will take time you don't have is also OK.

I drive rentals, by the way, often. I drive them 7mph over the speed limit too. Going the speed limit seems to be the only profiling point but I wonder about age and skin color too.

Jim

Yup, not the first time I've heard of this kind of thing happening, will likely not be the last. While there are some who want to insist that the cops are the good guys and this is unusual, it just isn't. There are far too many cops who are just bullies and who consider themselves above the rules and the law and have no problem with using their position against someone that they know is innocent. Would love to hear the feedback from one of the people who defends the cops on this story.

Going down a country highway and through a small town; you know the drill. Speed limit 55, then 45, then 35, then 25. As you exit the other side of town, it goes back up to 55 in the same steps.

Exiting town, I sped back up to 55 too soon. I could see the 55 sign, but had not passed it yet. I looked to my right and saw two county cops alongside each other in a closed for the night gas station, obviously chatting.

Looked at my speedometer and I was at 55, but the limit at that spot was still 45. Saw one of the counties pull out of the station and come up pretty fast behind me, but no lights. Crap.

He followed VERY close for almost 3 miles and then pulled me over. Said he clocked me w/radar at 65 in a 25. I argued there was no way - from where he was in the gas station, he could not see or radar that far back into town where the 25 limit was. Houses in the way, etc.

Then the story changed to "I clocked you at 65 when you passed the gas station." I again argued, no way. I saw you guys in the gas station and looked at my speedo immediately and it was at 55. I saw you pull out and follow me for the last 3 miles and it was pegged at 55 the whole time. He wrote the ticket for 65 in a 45 anyway. At least it was better than 65 in a 25, I guess.

I would have graciously accepted 55 in 45, since that was what I was actually doing. It royally pissed me off to be ticketed falsely. And of course, 20 over the limit puts it in a more expensive category. I took a day off work to go back and fight it in court. I lost. I didn't have a GPS at the time, but I don't know if the judge would have accepted a track log, anyway.

I have a speed alert POI set for that town in my Nuvi now.

I haven't fished in 20 years. (:

I've seen them and they are a great idea... except the police pull up behind you and if asked to get out will be at the back of your vehicle --- might want a have a rear view one too...

And I'm asked why I don't trust cops.

There are good cops and bad cops, just like in any other profession. But because of their impact to people, good cops are really great whereas bad cops are bloody awful.

Will be getting in touch for a date soon

Never had any bad experiences with a cop pulling me over. Sometimes the ticket I got was deserved. But bad mouthing cops because you think you know the law is ridiculous. I was with a friend last week riding in his vintage car which has different registration requirements then a regular car. A cop pulled him over and he very politely explained how the law was explained to him for vintage cars and we were on are way. Yes, she should have know the law and surely does now. There is never a reason to get ugly to a cop, if you think you are mistreated, ask for a supervisor on the spot or make a complaint to the police chief later. Like I said, I have never had a problem. Remember the golden rule?

I agree with Strephon. There are some police officers in every community that believe they are special people and can pretty much do as they please. Some of them delight in frightening law abiding citizens. I think the majority of them are good people who do their jobs competently. Unfortunately, weeding out the bad ones doesn't seem to be a priority with a lot of police forces.

Well then. I see your problem. Stay out of the South, Yankee!!