Trip Planner-What happens if You Decide to Skip a Destination Point?

 

Friends just got a Nuvi 2555LMT and I am helping them learn it's use. They are somewhat technologically challenged.

I was going to use Trip Planner to get them from Florida to their home in Canada. They want a particular Drury Inn to be their stop for the first night. I will be installing a location ahead of that to force their route onto the Macon Bypass.

If they find they decided to simply drive right past the Drury, will Trip Planner continuously try to recalculate a new route back to the Drury?

What do they do, if it does?

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DriveSmart 65, NUVI2555LMT, (NUVI350 is Now Retired)

It will

It will really depend on how near the hotel they pass. If they are on the Interstate and don't exit to go to the hotel then the Nuvi may try to recalculate a route back there for sometime. I suspect it will eventually figure out that they aren't going to stop there and then calculate a route to the next stop but I'm not 100% sure when using Trip Planner.

If it doesn't give up there best bet would be to cancel the trip and then call it up again but this time use the 2nd/next stop after the Drury Inn entry as the next destination.

If you'd just entered the destination and then the Drury Inn as a waypoint to be added to that route then the Nuvi would eventually forget about the hotel and just recalculate the route to their destination.

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Another technique

My usual technique when planning a trip from home is to enter each intermediate destination as a separate trip destination. That is, I effectively start a new trip for each waypoint. Then when driving I go to the Recently Found page and select the location I am going to next. You still need to be somewhat aware of where you are going, but then you really should be anyhow. The big downside is that you don’t get estimated arrival times for your final destination. But then again, if you are planning intermediate stops, the final destination time is wrong anyhow as the GPS is assuming you are merely driving past the intermediate point.

I most often use this technique to force a specific routing, even if I probably will not stop at the intermediate point. For example, I have a Dairy Queen on an obscure side street programmed between my home and my daughter’s home. It is on my preferred route, but definitely not the route the GPS wants me to take. I just select the DQ as my destination. If we are hungry for ice cream, the GPS will take me there. If not, I just reset the destination to my daughter’s home when we get close.

Yeah but .......

zeaflal wrote:

My usual technique when planning a trip from home is to enter each intermediate destination as a separate trip destination. That is, I effectively start a new trip for each waypoint. Then when driving I go to the Recently Found page and select the location I am going to next. You still need to be somewhat aware of where you are going, but then you really should be anyhow. The big downside is that you don’t get estimated arrival times for your final destination. But then again, if you are planning intermediate stops, the final destination time is wrong anyhow as the GPS is assuming you are merely driving past the intermediate point.

I most often use this technique to force a specific routing, even if I probably will not stop at the intermediate point. For example, I have a Dairy Queen on an obscure side street programmed between my home and my daughter’s home. It is on my preferred route, but definitely not the route the GPS wants me to take. I just select the DQ as my destination. If we are hungry for ice cream, the GPS will take me there. If not, I just reset the destination to my daughter’s home when we get close.

But the app "Trip Planner" is presumably to avoid all these manual interventions to perform a route in segments... at least that's how I considered it when buying my 2555

I personally have only tested the trip planner on short trips but never tried to skip a waypoint to see how it handles it.

Surely someone has used Trip Planner before?

Please share your experiences with this app/function......

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it varies

pb46 wrote:

Please share your experiences with this app/function......

The matter of "when is the waypoint considered to be satisfied?" would be pretty complicated if the goal were always to make the user happy--because what we want varies all over the place. Some systems have really simple rules when they think it important that the user (read "pilot") should understand what it is going to do. For our units, someone at Garmin is probably trying to make us happy.

Across multiple Garmin units of multiple generations, I've seen varied behavior--even on the same unit as regards any parameters I can articulate. Sometimes it will consider a waypoint satisfied just when I've driven within a couple of hundred feet and kept moving. Sometimes it will keep plotting me return directions even though I was at rest within ten feet of the waypoint for ten minutes, and have already moved past it by over a mile and failed to follow half a dozen attempted return paths.

As with a previous poster, I personally find that using the units to navigate to a succession of individual points works much better than route or trip planning (one folly here is the belief that the function on a unit is governed by the name given to it) in most cases.

My personal "poor man's route planning" consists in accessing all the waypoints or POIs I expect to use for a given trip in whatever manner puts them on the recently used list for the unit. Then during the trip I can just cancel navigation, go to the recently used list, choose my next desired destination, and head on.

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personal GPS user since 1992

Create separate 'legs'

zeaflal wrote:

My usual technique when planning a trip from home is to enter each intermediate destination as a separate trip destination.

After doing several long and complicated road trips, I prefer setting up a separate Trip/Route for each day. For one thing, if my Trip/Route goes over multiple days, the 'distance to destination' and 'time of arrival' shows how far to the final destination, not your destination for that day.

As for leaving your Trip/Route or skipping a point, it may try and insist that you turn back to hit the skipped waypoint. Just stop the Trip/Route and restart it. It will ask if you want to continue from your current position or start over.

Create Separate 'Legs'

Based on what appears to be the limitations of this "app" I agree with you. Separate segments can provide some of the flexibility I'm looking for with "minimal" intervention.

I also noticed on my last big trip (1500 mi+) stopping the route and restarting it was "a better than nothing" approach to skipping a waypoint. Separate segments could facilitate/speed-up this process also.

I guess that the app "Trip Planner" is simply a work in progress and we, unfortunately, are still at the beginning of research and development.

I see potential here though .......

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Maybe I am weird

Maybe I am weird (well definitely) but I cannot image planning a multi hundred mile trip in sufficient detail to actually preplan intermediate points. A typical trip is we drive for a few hours, decide we are getting hungry, look up what kind of food is ahead of us in the GPS POIs, and set that as our temporary destination. Being able to preplan detailed intermediate points just never happens.

Planning

Well for arguments sake, I want to go from Detroit,Mi to Laredo,Tx and then 1,000 miles into Mexico. The Garmin wants to route me via the Chicago area which I want to avoid like the plague.
So now I have to set intermediate points, such as Nashville I-65 South, then I also want to avoid Dallas.Tx by bypassing it. I also do not want to set up a daily route only, I just stop to eat and fuel up and then stay for the night. Then the next time I turn the GPS on it just asks if I want to continue from this location.

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seeing how you make this trip

Melaqueman wrote:

Well for arguments sake, I want to go from Detroit,Mi to Laredo,Tx and then 1,000 miles into Mexico.

Seeing how you make this trip twice a year, why do you even bother with making a route? The main roads don't change and you already know the areas you want to avoid and the routes around them, I would just let the Nuvi show me my position and the general path the current road takes.

Routes for me are when I'm in an unfamiliar area or I want a specific destination. Then a route works - at least for me.

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Familiar?

Box Car wrote:

Seeing how you make this trip twice a year, why do you even bother with making a route? The main roads don't change and you already know the areas you want to avoid and the routes around them, I would just let the Nuvi show me my position and the general path the current road takes.

Routes for me are when I'm in an unfamiliar area or I want a specific destination. Then a route works - at least for me.

Twice a year is not really becoming familiar with a route. It is so much easier for the GPS to tell me when to expect the next exit etc. There always seems to be construction in places such as Memphis or elsewhere. The southbound trip is also not totally identical to the northbound trip.

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Maybe

zeaflal wrote:

Maybe I am weird (well definitely) but I cannot image planning a multi hundred mile trip in sufficient detail to actually preplan intermediate points. A typical trip is we drive for a few hours, decide we are getting hungry, look up what kind of food is ahead of us in the GPS POIs, and set that as our temporary destination. Being able to preplan detailed intermediate points just never happens.

Experience, I guess ... Time tables often dictate a fixed arrival time... no room for a loosey goosey trip here ...LOL

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Simulation?

GPSgeek wrote:

If they find they decided to simply drive right past the Drury, will Trip Planner continuously try to recalculate a new route back to the Drury?

What do they do, if it does?

@GPSgeek,
have you tried putting the 2555 into simulation mode with Trip Planner active AND setting a location (using "Set Loc") a mile or so prior to an intermediate stop and seeing what simulation will do?

On my older unit (768T) I

On my older unit (768T) I could plan a trip with many stops/routing poi's and then decide as each approached whether I would stop or not. If I did not stop or the GPS missed the fact I had passed over routing POIs the unit would try to route me back to the missed stop, BUT, after a time it would readjust and recalculate to the next stop. It wasn't perfect but I liked this feature!

My new 2460 will just not adjust to missing a planned stop or routing POI. No matter how far I go it will not give up on rerouting me back to the missed point. This is frustrating as all future routing of the trip is out the window until I modify the trip.

There are at least two problems with this behavior. 1.The GPS does not always recognize that you in fact hit the spot (this is critical when using POI's to force routing) thus you loose all routing to the next POI, and 2. having to reprogram the GPS while driving at 70 MPH is dangerous.

Yes I could have each leg as a different "planned route" and as I pass by each stop/rout poi enter in the next leg of the trip while driving at 70mph(or pull over on the freeway I guess).

There really is a simple solution but I don't expect it to be put in the design. When a POI is missed the unit could ask if you want to be rerouted back or continue to the next POI. You could either reach over and touch an option or maybe have it as a voice control feature too.

Here's the short of it... my older unit mostly worked for me and how I like to plan trips and did it far better than my new 2460 with all its routing flaws and less than reliable POI routing recognition as I drive right over the spot. YMMV

Trip Planner

I have not heard of a nuvi 768T. Did you mean 765T?

In any case, your complaints about Trip Planner are pretty common among users who have "upgraded" to a new nuvi from an older nuvi with the legacy Custom Routes. It is why many of us stick with our old nuvis instead of buying a new one. I wish Garmin would dump the Trip Planner and go back to multi-point routes with via points. But I don't think that is going to happen.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Not My 2555

jgermann wrote:
GPSgeek wrote:

If they find they decided to simply drive right past the Drury, will Trip Planner continuously try to recalculate a new route back to the Drury?

What do they do, if it does?

@GPSgeek,
have you tried putting the 2555 into simulation mode with Trip Planner active AND setting a location (using "Set Loc") a mile or so prior to an intermediate stop and seeing what simulation will do?

This was my friends 2555 that they just bought. They are very technology challenged and I was trying to find trip solutions that would not be too complicated. This was my first experience with the 2555. I have 350, so this is light years ahead. (Sort of).

I have now come to the conclusion that this is not a good fit for them. I have now written out step by step procedures, using their daily stop for the night and 1 or 2 via points. With luck they will find their way home. It's about a 2500 km trip.

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DriveSmart 65, NUVI2555LMT, (NUVI350 is Now Retired)

Just Suggested That Basecamp Should be More Like S&T

alandb wrote:

I have not heard of a nuvi 768T. Did you mean 765T?

In any case, your complaints about Trip Planner are pretty common among users who have "upgraded" to a new nuvi from an older nuvi with the legacy Custom Routes. It is why many of us stick with our old nuvis instead of buying a new one. I wish Garmin would dump the Trip Planner and go back to multi-point routes with via points. But I don't think that is going to happen.

I had a nice discussion with a guy in Garmin Cartography. Suggested that the trip planning features in Streets & Trips are far superior to Basecamp.

Just planned trip to Fla. and used S&T. Added schedule stop of 15 min every 2 hours and S&T hit my daily destinations within 30 minutes after 11 hours of driving.

Maybe Garmin will recognize that.

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DriveSmart 65, NUVI2555LMT, (NUVI350 is Now Retired)

Yes...my old unit it was a

Yes...my old unit it was a 7655T. I gave it to my son when I downgraded to the new 2460LMT.

I shoulda not done dat. smile

Actually there's plenty to like about the 2460 but trip planner issues, inconsistency with recognizing passing over routing POI's (having route selection separate from POI's would help this is a lot) and new routing bugs devalue the model.

I am not happy with it for what I want and I have had some scary moments with it. Trip Planner to me is unreliable unless its a direct point A to B.

Delorme

GPSgeek wrote:
alandb wrote:

I have not heard of a nuvi 768T. Did you mean 765T?

In any case, your complaints about Trip Planner are pretty common among users who have "upgraded" to a new nuvi from an older nuvi with the legacy Custom Routes. It is why many of us stick with our old nuvis instead of buying a new one. I wish Garmin would dump the Trip Planner and go back to multi-point routes with via points. But I don't think that is going to happen.

I had a nice discussion with a guy in Garmin Cartography. Suggested that the trip planning features in Streets & Trips are far superior to Basecamp.

Just planned trip to Fla. and used S&T. Added schedule stop of 15 min every 2 hours and S&T hit my daily destinations within 30 minutes after 11 hours of driving.

Maybe Garmin will recognize that.

I use Delorme. Same type of program, far superior to Garmin's.

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Routing.

GPSgeek wrote:
jgermann wrote:
GPSgeek wrote:

If they find they decided to simply drive right past the Drury, will Trip Planner continuously try to recalculate a new route back to the Drury?

What do they do, if it does?

@GPSgeek,
have you tried putting the 2555 into simulation mode with Trip Planner active AND setting a location (using "Set Loc") a mile or so prior to an intermediate stop and seeing what simulation will do?

This was my friends 2555 that they just bought. They are very technology challenged and I was trying to find trip solutions that would not be too complicated. This was my first experience with the 2555. I have 350, so this is light years ahead. (Sort of).

I have now come to the conclusion that this is not a good fit for them. I have now written out step by step procedures, using their daily stop for the night and 1 or 2 via points. With luck they will find their way home. It's about a 2500 km trip.

Florida to Canada hardly needs planning. There are only 3 routes and I'm glad you are using I 75. This time of year it is the best.
Presumably they got there without a GPS so they don't need detailed info.
I've done the trip a lot of times. Perhaps i can help. From what city to city are they going?

I use mine by selecting the hotel I want to stay at each night. This puts them into the the recently found list.
Each day I fire up the unit, press where to, press recenly found and select the hotel I want. The 855 calculayes the route and off we go.
Anything happen to change my mind I just type in the new hotel and put it in recently found.

If they are crossing at Detroit make sure the route is correct across the river. It has all changed recently and the map may not reflect the new interchanges.

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What I was afraid of ....

jgermann wrote:
GPSgeek wrote:

If they find they decided to simply drive right past the Drury, will Trip Planner continuously try to recalculate a new route back to the Drury?

What do they do, if it does?

@GPSgeek,
have you tried putting the 2555 into simulation mode with Trip Planner active AND setting a location (using "Set Loc") a mile or so prior to an intermediate stop and seeing what simulation will do?

Yup, I tried the simulation mode and used the set location function to test skipping a waypoint and sure nuf my 2555 did everything to bring me back to the skipped waypoint ... even after 10 miles.

Too bad ... looks like I'll have to use independent segments instead one route in route planner.

I'm still sure it wouldn't take much to complete the route planner function to be productive.

Garmin ...are you listening?

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