Apple Maps Leads the Way in Navigation

 
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Indeed it is quite an

Indeed it is quite an interesting article. However, many of the observations in it can also apply in a comparison between Garmin and Tom Tom. My observation?

Apple maps is unfairly maligned because of the non-issues with the satellite imagery that it was saddled with on release.

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I don't buy it

Over the years I've learned to put less and less faith in anything Dovorak says. As for Apple maps, at least on the iPhone, Apple themselves have admitted failure; and iPhone users, who usually follow Apple to a fault, have almost universally admitted that the Apple maps offering was awful when contrasted to the Google app they had access to. Doesn't really affect me as I don't want to be overcharged for Apple.

Same Here

Frovingslosh wrote:

Over the years I've learned to put less and less faith in anything Dovorak says. As for Apple maps, at least on the iPhone, Apple themselves have admitted failure; and iPhone users, who usually follow Apple to a fault, have almost universally admitted that the Apple maps offering was awful when contrasted to the Google app they had access to. Doesn't really affect me as I don't want to be overcharged for Apple.

I have believed for quite awhile that Dvorak just writes to be controversial and/or he just doesn't know what he's talking about.

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Hmmmmmm

I guess everyone else in the world is wrong except him... Don't believe a word this guy says...

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I think that's why they call

I think that's why they call it an "opinion piece". wink

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well

To be honest Apple really put new quality into maps. So far I don't think anybody else was brave enough to do what they did with theirs maps. Some can really call this new "quality".

They had no choice.

grzesja wrote:

To be honest Apple really put new quality into maps. So far I don't think anybody else was brave enough to do what they did with theirs maps. Some can really call this new "quality".

They're getting their butts beat up all over the globe by Samsung and others.

Brave ... not really.
Survival ...Definitely

Thank god for competition!

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+1

rlallos wrote:
Frovingslosh wrote:

Over the years I've learned to put less and less faith in anything Dovorak says. As for Apple maps, at least on the iPhone, Apple themselves have admitted failure; and iPhone users, who usually follow Apple to a fault, have almost universally admitted that the Apple maps offering was awful when contrasted to the Google app they had access to. Doesn't really affect me as I don't want to be overcharged for Apple.

I have believed for quite awhile that Dvorak just writes to be controversial and/or he just doesn't know what he's talking about.

+1

That has been my opinion of Dvorak for approximately 30 years - and IMO your use of "and/or" is overly generous, as I think that a simple "and" is more accurate.

That approach does work to put bread on the table for him, just like it does for the scandal sheets in the grocery store checkout line that continually trumpet "the true story about the Kennedy assassination" and "proof of space alien vehicles in Area 51".

As PT Barnum said, "There's one born every minute!"

- Tom -

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personally

-et- wrote:

That has been my opinion of Dvorak for approximately 30 years - and IMO your use of "and/or" is overly generous, as I think that a simple "and" is more accurate.

That approach does work to put bread on the table for him, just like it does for the scandal sheets in the grocery store checkout line that continually trumpet "the true story about the Kennedy assassination" and "proof of space alien vehicles in Area 51".

As PT Barnum said, "There's one born every minute!"

- Tom -

Personally I think the technology left him in the dust around MS-DOS 4.1. But then that's just my opinion.

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Apple should pull the plug

Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone March 28, 2007 (John Dvorak)
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-should-pull-the-plug-...

Taken from:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/1,4149,1304348,00.asp
When I hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete, I see that the System Idle Process is hogging all the resources and chewing up 95 percent of the processor's cycles. Doing what? Doing nothing?

There's more here:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_C._Dvorak

Wow.

Reading those Dvorak quotes just makes me glad that 25 years ago no one recorded what I said or my tech predictions! redface

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are you kidding me...

Google until dethrown, leads the way. enough said.

Money quote:

chewbacca wrote:

Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone March 28, 2007 (John Dvorak)
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-should-pull-the-plug-on-the-iphone

Dvorak's 'OOPS' moment:
"It's the loyalists who keep promoting this device as if it is going to be anything other than another phone in a crowded market. And it's exactly the crowded-market aspect of this that analysts seem to be ignoring."
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Also from six years ago, another future-looking but ultimately correct indication of what was coming: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/06/who-killed-the-desk...
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allbizz wrote:

Google until dethrown, leads the way. enough said.

...it only takes a test drive of the latest iteration of google maps/nav to see why. And google's POI location accuracy is unmatched by any PND or other online resource. Google is the only company with cars driving every road. That, plus their long-established user correction submission program works better at correcting POI locations than the competition.

Meanwhile, all the major PND makers have managed to do is port their standalone products to mobile OS, but completely ignored the many other functional possibilities on multi-function devices like tablets.

Lastly, more info on what doomed Apple's mapping effort is here:
"Google Maps announces a 400 year advantage over Apple Maps"
at http://blog.telemapics.com/

Since that was written, Apple has been hiring a lot of people to work on their map/nav problems, and eventually that will probably bear fruit. But that still leaves them playing catch up, because correcting massive datasets isn't easy, and google isn't standing still.

Interesting read, you would

Interesting read, you would think Apple would at least get their directions right to their own HQ, right? LOL

But nothing touches Google Maps. The Apple maps are a mess on my iPhone 5, horrible directions and mistakes.

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Just Another Reason

nuvic320 wrote:

Interesting read, you would think Apple would at least get their directions right to their own HQ, right? LOL

But nothing touches Google Maps. The Apple maps are a mess on my iPhone 5, horrible directions and mistakes.

...why I don't plan to get an iPhone.

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imho

Shooter wrote:
nuvic320 wrote:

Interesting read, you would think Apple would at least get their directions right to their own HQ, right? LOL

But nothing touches Google Maps. The Apple maps are a mess on my iPhone 5, horrible directions and mistakes.

...why I don't plan to get an iPhone.

Neither Apple maps nor Google maps come close to Garmin USA (or TomTom USA) on my iPhone for navigating.

As far as Apple maps vs. Google maps, there are some things in each that make them better/nicer.

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Sure, as far as the actual navigation phase itself...

Last Mrk wrote:

Neither Apple maps or Google maps come close to Garmin USA (or TomTom USA) on my iPhone for navigating.

...sure, as far as the actual navigation phase itself, as long as you're not trying to navigate to a Garmin/TomTom POI location. But it doesn't matter how great the directions are if they are sending you to the wrong geolocation. Not that google has all of those correct either, but between their street view cars and their user-submitted correction program, they get more of them correct than anybody else, except for POI sets that have been diligently verified by users on this site.

Try asking Garmin USA to find the Burger King in 63129 zip code (on Telegraph Rd.). Let me know what cross street is nearby.

Apple?

I have yet to see an Apple device that has impressed me enough to spend the extra money for a device that can't do anything batter that its competition for less money.

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Nexus 4

Just bought a Nexus 4 from Google, and it blows the doors off the iPhone 5. All for $359... Unlocked pentaband.

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GoneNomad wrote:
Last Mrk wrote:

Neither Apple maps or Google maps come close to Garmin USA (or TomTom USA) on my iPhone for navigating.

...sure, as far as the actual navigation phase itself, as long as you're not trying to navigate to a Garmin/TomTom POI location. But it doesn't matter how great the directions are if they are sending you to the wrong geolocation. Not that google has all of those correct either, but between their street view cars and their user-submitted correction program, they get more of them correct than anybody else, except for POI sets that have been diligently verified by users on this site.

Try asking Garmin USA to find the Burger King in 63129 zip code (on Telegraph Rd.). Let me know what cross street is nearby.

You mean at 5601 Telegraph Rd? Baumgartner Rd or Cliff Cave Rd? Was that supposed to be hard?

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If you don't know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else. - Yogi Berra

No Resolve To This I Guess

So there's no resolve to this as of yet. I just had to update my iPhone against my will. Too many glitches that I'm convinced force folks to update.

Thankfully I have my Garmin GPS in my SUV.

thanks for the info

thanks for the info

Only if you want to actually find that Burger King

Last Mrk wrote:

You mean at 5601 Telegraph Rd? Baumgartner Rd or Cliff Cave Rd? Was that supposed to be hard?

Only if you want to actually find that Burger King (which has been there for decades) using a Garmin PND, which have for many years located this (and many other POIs) in the wrong place.

In this case, it locates it at a hardware store too far away to see the Burger King:
http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s561/GoneNomad1/Garmin-B...

All PNDs have this problem. Google does far better at this important task, thanks to their street view cars and user correction submission program.

What map version did you use?

Or does Garmin StreetPilot on IOS even use the same maps used in MapSource, BaseCamp and Garmin PNDs?

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The funny thing is Garmin USA uses Google to find POI's and even gives me a Google street view of the location when I get about 1/8 of a mile away. Real cool.

Version 2.3.01 (252)

The maps are NAVTEQ 2012.

Just checked on my Nuvi 760 & just like you said, it shows the wrong cross street, Yaeger way off. sad

+1 for Garmin USA on the iPhone.

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Garmin gets it right by depending upon google's data, but...

Last Mrk wrote:

The funny thing is Garmin USA uses Google to find POI's...

Yep.

So really, in this case, the only way Garmin gets it right is by depending upon google's data.

CoPilot and other mobile apps offer Google local search that as an option too, but of course it doesn't work without a data connection. That's the downside to being dependent upon google's excellent (though hardly perfect) POI data.

Most POI-specific mobile apps (e.g.: GasBuddy, RoadNinja, Where To?) allow a place located on a map to be handed off to the user's choice of installed nav apps. This is just one of the advantages of a tablet or smartphone compared to a standalone PND. Inevitably there will be little "helper" apps available for Android and iOS that do things like this better than any PND. Another example is traffic cameras, which provide better info about road conditions than any weather report, but of course you can't see them without a data connection.

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You're right there. Although Garmin USA on my iPhone doesn't use data for maping and routing Google lookups do. Garmin USA also has it's own data base of POI's but it's not nearly as useful as using the built in Google search.

I have ATT's 3gb data plan and using it the way I do, I've never reached anywhere near that amount of data even though I'm forever using data to stream Sirius Radio and forever using the internet while waiting in the car for my wife to shop. I use my iPad feathered to my iPhone for that.

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If you don't know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else. - Yogi Berra

Most tasks that "reasonable" people would want to use

Last Mrk wrote:

I have ATT's 3gb data plan and using it the way I do, I've never reached anywhere near that amount of data even though....

That is true... Most tasks that "reasonable" people would want to use a cellular data connection for do not use too much data. Even AT&T's 250MB $15/mo plan is useful for these tasks. I'd like 3GB for $150/year a lot better though. Seems reasonable to me, since they sell that 3GB for $30... if it's in one month.

It's streaming videos or other big downloads that eat up the GB quickly. I never have understood why so many people would be apparently be so fixated with watching TV programs that major carriers would offer programs to do just that (of course, the carriers are hoping to get people hooked on it, and make them pay for data overages).

Apple Maps IS missing roads

On a recent trip from Atlanta to Nashville there was a new exit ramp installed on I-24 in Tennessee at US 72 (exit 152) The ramp was installed about 1 year ago and Apple Maps still is missing the newly installed ramp. Google Maps and the latest release from Garmin 2013.40 DOES have the newly installed ramp.

Apple is still behind on getting their stuff together.

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