I presume Apple is trying to regain lost credibility in the mapping world, and is looking for those low hanging apples to bring into the fold. Although their maps are improving, they've got a way to go before the psychological damage to trust done to its customers (like me) is repaired.
-- Tuckahoe Mike -
Nuvi 3490LMT, Nuvi 260W, iPhone X, Mazda MX-5 Nav
The "problem" with the Apple maps was that the satellite imagery was off. That was the overwhelming issue. Otherwise, the map view and other functionality was fine, no issues dramatically beyond other similar products, at least from what I have used. And I do not hesitate to use it. I have little use for the satellite view.
I will not use Google Maps in NYC, because of past experience where it was just not trustworthy. Seems like the more information "dense" the area, the less trustworthy the map and data. Even with Google Maps and Garmin maps, I find errors with data points. It happens. I use and hope that Google maps is sort of a real-time database and will be more up to date, but that is not the case. That is why they have facilities to provide feedback from users to correct those issues.
It is still amazing at the backlash that Apple received. It just goes to show that product quality expectations are high from the public regarding Apple products, and this one was off the mark and it was turned into a major event. That's what happens to those on top. If it were a different company, this might not have been news at all since that level of product quality is sort of expected from them.
It's tough to be on top and have to live up to and exceed the standards that your own products have set.
Look at Garmin... the 60CSx is still the benchmark GPSr device even though it is some 6 yrs old, out of production for some time, and Garmin has not come up with a replacement worthy of the adoration the 60CSx still maintains. The 60CSx is in great demand right now. New ones are going for premiums, and I can sell my 6 yr old unit for what I paid for it. Tough to live up to the 60CSx, not a bad problem to have.
-- When you are dead, you don’t know that you are dead. It is only difficult for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.
Update #2, Jan. 03: TechCrunch’s MG Siegler just posted a report claiming the rumor of Apple acquiring Waze for up to $750m was little more than a rumor. While citing “multiple sources close to the situation,” Siegler claimed “There is no deal is happening. At least not now or anytime soon.” A little birdie told Cnet the same thing.
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That’s huge news for a few reasons: Apple rarely makes startup acquisitions — Waze is a hot startup with good buzz — the Apple Maps fiasco — the list goes on. But there’s just one little problem: the deal isn’t actually happening.
That information comes from multiple sources close to the situation. And while Mike Butcher also claimed multiple sources in his original post, you’ll note that he was quick to qualify the information as a “rumor”
Too bad that Waze won't get the big bucks, but personally I'm relieved. I suspect that if Apple acquired Waze it would only offer the service to its iMinions and that would rule me out (for now, anyway).
The "problem" with the Apple maps was that the satellite imagery was off. That was the overwhelming issue. Otherwise, the map view and other functionality was fine, no issues dramatically beyond other similar products, at least from what I have used. And I do not hesitate to use it. I have little use for the satellite view.
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Wrong. iOS maps could not find many destinations since it uses Yelp database, and the directions it gave me were wrong on average about 50% of the time. I now switched to the Google Maps app which works far better, and use Waze from time to time as well.
iOS maps might be okay in certain locales and if you don't travel a lot, but it's certainly not reliable for many people, including me.
-- http://www.poi-factory.com/node/21626 - red light cameras do not work
I use Waze every day as a tool to keep track of hidden speed traps, which there are far too many of in the small towns around Chicago. I've only used it for nav a couple of times, and it worked OK but..had to go up to Wisconsin a couple of weeks ago and the route it used when I got off was not exactly right, plus it tried to route me down a road that was closed for construction. I was actually heading to BB to pick up my Note 2. Waze's problem is it depends on user input data for accuracy, and nobody reported the underpass was closed. As for RLC's, you report them on your phone then have to go to your home PC to the web interface and confirm them. OTOH, you also set the details like which was the camera faces. There is one intersection I pass on the weekends. There is one camera, facing east. If I am westbound, Waze doesn't alert me but coming back home going east it tells me. Even my Nuvi isn't that smart.
There is one intersection I pass on the weekends. There is one camera, facing east. If I am westbound, Waze doesn't alert me but coming back home going east it tells me. Even my Nuvi isn't that smart.
Your Nuvi can provide directional alerts. The file downloaded has to be set up to provide those warnings and it would be a GPI file, not a CSV. JM stated they had looked at the software needed to create this type of file and determined it wasn't a good fit for POI-Factory.
I laugh when I see folks on Waze reporting major traffic jams on local streets that have never seen major traffic since they were built. This is a result of users wanting to get points to be statistics rather than reporting what they see.
I do utilize the notification of police presence on the highways and find it much more accurate than the reports of moderate or heavy traffic.
I laugh when I see folks on Waze reporting major traffic jams on local streets that have never seen major traffic since they were built. This is a result of users wanting to get points to be statistics rather than reporting what they see.
I do utilize the notification of police presence on the highways and find it much more accurate than the reports of moderate or heavy traffic.
Do people post every time they use it and tell about what a wonderful job it did getting them from here to there? And the other millions of times a day it is used without a hitch?
If everyone posted their success with it, the whacky stuff will be lost in the noise and it should then become obvious what the real scale of the situation really is.
nuvic320 wrote:
diesel wrote:
The "problem" with the Apple maps was that the satellite imagery was off. That was the overwhelming issue. Otherwise, the map view and other functionality was fine, no issues dramatically beyond other similar products, at least from what I have used. And I do not hesitate to use it. I have little use for the satellite view.
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Wrong. iOS maps could not find many destinations since it uses Yelp database, and the directions it gave me were wrong on average about 50% of the time. I now switched to the Google Maps app which works far better, and use Waze from time to time as well.
iOS maps might be okay in certain locales and if you don't travel a lot, but it's certainly not reliable for many people, including me.
-- When you are dead, you don’t know that you are dead. It is only difficult for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.
There is one intersection I pass on the weekends. There is one camera, facing east. If I am westbound, Waze doesn't alert me but coming back home going east it tells me. Even my Nuvi isn't that smart.
Your Nuvi can provide directional alerts. The file downloaded has to be set up to provide those warnings and it would be a GPI file, not a CSV. JM stated they had looked at the software needed to create this type of file and determined it wasn't a good fit for POI-Factory.
That too bad that the GPI file wasn't a good fit for POI-Factory. I think directional alerting is pretty much the one thing missing with POI-Factory's files. Aside from that one feature, POI-Factory files rock!
Vewy, Vewy, Intahwesting
Wonder how Waze would fit with maps, if one would be canned, or if they would be merged together somehow.
When you are dead, you don’t know that you are dead. It is only difficult for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.
Seeking Renewed Confidence
I presume Apple is trying to regain lost credibility in the mapping world, and is looking for those low hanging apples to bring into the fold. Although their maps are improving, they've got a way to go before the psychological damage to trust done to its customers (like me) is repaired.
Tuckahoe Mike - Nuvi 3490LMT, Nuvi 260W, iPhone X, Mazda MX-5 Nav
nice
Waze carried me for a while. I really like their red light camera alert.
The "Problem" Was Excessively Hyped
The "problem" with the Apple maps was that the satellite imagery was off. That was the overwhelming issue. Otherwise, the map view and other functionality was fine, no issues dramatically beyond other similar products, at least from what I have used. And I do not hesitate to use it. I have little use for the satellite view.
I will not use Google Maps in NYC, because of past experience where it was just not trustworthy. Seems like the more information "dense" the area, the less trustworthy the map and data. Even with Google Maps and Garmin maps, I find errors with data points. It happens. I use and hope that Google maps is sort of a real-time database and will be more up to date, but that is not the case. That is why they have facilities to provide feedback from users to correct those issues.
It is still amazing at the backlash that Apple received. It just goes to show that product quality expectations are high from the public regarding Apple products, and this one was off the mark and it was turned into a major event. That's what happens to those on top. If it were a different company, this might not have been news at all since that level of product quality is sort of expected from them.
It's tough to be on top and have to live up to and exceed the standards that your own products have set.
Look at Garmin... the 60CSx is still the benchmark GPSr device even though it is some 6 yrs old, out of production for some time, and Garmin has not come up with a replacement worthy of the adoration the 60CSx still maintains. The 60CSx is in great demand right now. New ones are going for premiums, and I can sell my 6 yr old unit for what I paid for it. Tough to live up to the 60CSx, not a bad problem to have.
When you are dead, you don’t know that you are dead. It is only difficult for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.
WAZE would be a great
WAZE would be a great addition to the Apple family. I've used the IOS maps with no incidents. It has always found my POI and got me their safely.
Waze Directions
I used waze directions one time. It took me 5 miles out of the way. Don't trust it..
Hopefully not, I liked waze very much because of traffic camera
knock on wood...
Never mind...
http://9to5mac.com/2013/01/02/why-it-makes-sense-for-apple-t...
Update #2, Jan. 03: TechCrunch’s MG Siegler just posted a report claiming the rumor of Apple acquiring Waze for up to $750m was little more than a rumor. While citing “multiple sources close to the situation,” Siegler claimed “There is no deal is happening. At least not now or anytime soon.” A little birdie told Cnet the same thing.
That’s huge news for a few reasons: Apple rarely makes startup acquisitions — Waze is a hot startup with good buzz — the Apple Maps fiasco — the list goes on. But there’s just one little problem: the deal isn’t actually happening.
That information comes from multiple sources close to the situation. And while Mike Butcher also claimed multiple sources in his original post, you’ll note that he was quick to qualify the information as a “rumor”
rumor mongers gotta mong...
*Keith* MacBook Pro *wifi iPad(2012) w/BadElf GPS & iPhone6 + Navigon*
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Too bad that Waze won't get the big bucks, but personally I'm relieved. I suspect that if Apple acquired Waze it would only offer the service to its iMinions and that would rule me out (for now, anyway).
wrong
The "problem" with the Apple maps was that the satellite imagery was off. That was the overwhelming issue. Otherwise, the map view and other functionality was fine, no issues dramatically beyond other similar products, at least from what I have used. And I do not hesitate to use it. I have little use for the satellite view.
...
Wrong. iOS maps could not find many destinations since it uses Yelp database, and the directions it gave me were wrong on average about 50% of the time. I now switched to the Google Maps app which works far better, and use Waze from time to time as well.
iOS maps might be okay in certain locales and if you don't travel a lot, but it's certainly not reliable for many people, including me.
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/21626 - red light cameras do not work
These folks disagree.
These folks disagree. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57558151-37/australia-poli...
Nuvi 3790LMT, Nuvi 760 Lifetime map, Lifetime NavTraffic, Garmin E-Trex Legend Just because "Everyone" drives badly does not mean you have to.
Use it daily
I use Waze every day as a tool to keep track of hidden speed traps, which there are far too many of in the small towns around Chicago. I've only used it for nav a couple of times, and it worked OK but..had to go up to Wisconsin a couple of weeks ago and the route it used when I got off was not exactly right, plus it tried to route me down a road that was closed for construction. I was actually heading to BB to pick up my Note 2. Waze's problem is it depends on user input data for accuracy, and nobody reported the underpass was closed. As for RLC's, you report them on your phone then have to go to your home PC to the web interface and confirm them. OTOH, you also set the details like which was the camera faces. There is one intersection I pass on the weekends. There is one camera, facing east. If I am westbound, Waze doesn't alert me but coming back home going east it tells me. Even my Nuvi isn't that smart.
but your nuvi is
There is one intersection I pass on the weekends. There is one camera, facing east. If I am westbound, Waze doesn't alert me but coming back home going east it tells me. Even my Nuvi isn't that smart.
Your Nuvi can provide directional alerts. The file downloaded has to be set up to provide those warnings and it would be a GPI file, not a CSV. JM stated they had looked at the software needed to create this type of file and determined it wasn't a good fit for POI-Factory.
Illiterate? Write for free help.
not going to happen
I for one have no confidence in crowd-sourced information - with the exception of poi factory cam data
Waze is "Way" off
I laugh when I see folks on Waze reporting major traffic jams on local streets that have never seen major traffic since they were built. This is a result of users wanting to get points to be statistics rather than reporting what they see.
I do utilize the notification of police presence on the highways and find it much more accurate than the reports of moderate or heavy traffic.
Waze is "Way" off
I laugh when I see folks on Waze reporting major traffic jams on local streets that have never seen major traffic since they were built. This is a result of users wanting to get points to be statistics rather than reporting what they see.
I do utilize the notification of police presence on the highways and find it much more accurate than the reports of moderate or heavy traffic.
Put It In Perspective
Do people post every time they use it and tell about what a wonderful job it did getting them from here to there? And the other millions of times a day it is used without a hitch?
If everyone posted their success with it, the whacky stuff will be lost in the noise and it should then become obvious what the real scale of the situation really is.
The "problem" with the Apple maps was that the satellite imagery was off. That was the overwhelming issue. Otherwise, the map view and other functionality was fine, no issues dramatically beyond other similar products, at least from what I have used. And I do not hesitate to use it. I have little use for the satellite view.
...
Wrong. iOS maps could not find many destinations since it uses Yelp database, and the directions it gave me were wrong on average about 50% of the time. I now switched to the Google Maps app which works far better, and use Waze from time to time as well.
iOS maps might be okay in certain locales and if you don't travel a lot, but it's certainly not reliable for many people, including me.
When you are dead, you don’t know that you are dead. It is only difficult for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.
Too bad about the lack of directional alerts
There is one intersection I pass on the weekends. There is one camera, facing east. If I am westbound, Waze doesn't alert me but coming back home going east it tells me. Even my Nuvi isn't that smart.
Your Nuvi can provide directional alerts. The file downloaded has to be set up to provide those warnings and it would be a GPI file, not a CSV. JM stated they had looked at the software needed to create this type of file and determined it wasn't a good fit for POI-Factory.
That too bad that the GPI file wasn't a good fit for POI-Factory. I think directional alerting is pretty much the one thing missing with POI-Factory's files. Aside from that one feature, POI-Factory files rock!
waze
I just downloded 2 days ago, wish me luck.
Gattina11
waze with google navigation
Any more info on how waze would work with the google navigation on a smartphone? Thanks