1490LMT wants me to take local routes instead of hwy?

 

i just started using my 1490LMT.
I updated w/the 2013 maps.
I have it set to fastest time and [b]traffic turned off.[/b]

1) going from NJ to Brooklyn, NY i was on the highway to the Verazono bridge when it told me to take local streets to the bridge.

2) in going from brooklyn to queens, it again told me to take local routes instead of the Belt Parkway.

interesting enough:
1 block from my house, if i make the left to the belt parkway instead of the right to the local routes, the 1490lmt recalcs and tells me to take the Belt Parkway. WTF?!

Google maps also said to take the belt parkway.

So what is going on?! Bad gps?

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Avoidances

EcoRoute1 wrote:

i just started using my 1490LMT.
I updated w/the 2013 maps.
I have it set to fastest time and [b]traffic turned off.[/b]

1) going from NJ to Brooklyn, NY i was on the highway to the Verazono bridge when it told me to take local streets to the bridge.

2) in going from brooklyn to queens, it again told me to take local routes instead of the Belt Parkway.

interesting enough:
1 block from my house, if i make the left to the belt parkway instead of the right to the local routes, the 1490lmt recalcs and tells me to take the Belt Parkway. WTF?!

Google maps also said to take the belt parkway.

So what is going on?! Bad gps?

Do you have Avoidances ENABLED? If so, whats is set to avoid.

Eco-route

EcoRoute1 wrote:

i just started using my 1490LMT.
I updated w/the 2013 maps.
I have it set to fastest time and [b]traffic turned off.[/b]

1) going from NJ to Brooklyn, NY i was on the highway to the Verazono bridge when it told me to take local streets to the bridge.

2) in going from brooklyn to queens, it again told me to take local routes instead of the Belt Parkway.

interesting enough:
1 block from my house, if i make the left to the belt parkway instead of the right to the local routes, the 1490lmt recalcs and tells me to take the Belt Parkway. WTF?!

Google maps also said to take the belt parkway.

So what is going on?! Bad gps?

Turn Eco-Route OFF. It thinks anything over 40 mph is bad.

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avoidances are all

avoidances are all disabled.

i am not using ecoroute for routing. (i just use it to calc MPG.)

my gps is set to Fastest Time.

do you have avoid traffic

do you have avoid traffic turned on?

Sometimes the 1490 will see highways as being congested and route you across local streets.

I've had the 1490 (on a cross country trip) take me off of an interstate across city streets then back onto the interstate only to find out I'd been routed around a congested area (in this case it was construction).

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Never argue with a pig. It makes you look foolish and it anoys the hell out of the pig!

"do you have avoid traffic

"do you have avoid traffic turned on?"

no, its off.

when i had the 255w, i found the traffic rerouting to be worthless.

Always check the route

Strange routing indeed. Not sure why it is having so much trouble, but a search should reveal a lot of people reporting their Garmins giving strange routings for no apparent reason.

To force the unit to route the way I want I'll sometimes add a waypoint to use as a via. Other times I'll just let the unit keep recalculating until it figures out the correct route. One shouldn't have to do this, but its pretty common for some reason.

The only suggestion I can make is these navigation devices are for assistance only. One should always check to make sure it is routing you where you want to go the way you want to get there before one puts the car into drive.

That won't help with the weird routes it sometimes comes up with, but it will help keep you from following silly directions.

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Try This

For troubleshooting purposes, go into the avoidance screen and UNCHECK ALL possible options. This will rule out the issue is avoidance related.

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Nuvi 2460LMT 2 Units

Agreed

muell9k wrote:

For troubleshooting purposes, go into the avoidance screen and UNCHECK ALL possible options. This will rule out the issue is avoidance related.

I agree a double check is warranted since that's the most common cause of odd routing although the poster has already stated that all avoidances are already off.

I wonder if the use of eco-route to compute mpg might be the culprit. What would happen to routing if eco-route were fully disabled on the 1490LMT?

Puzzling

Using fastest time, when I get a very lame routing instruction, I ignore it. When Jill notices, she says, "You missed the turn" then upon recalulating, the new ETA is a few minutes sooner.

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1490LMT 1450LMT 295w

Eco-Route?

CraigW wrote:

I wonder if the use of eco-route to compute mpg might be the culprit. What would happen to routing if eco-route were fully disabled on the 1490LMT?

On my 2460LMT iI have both Eco-Route and Traffic Trends disabled, I've read they can slow down the unit and cause problems. I personally have no need for them. Good idea to disable and rule that feature out as a possible cause.

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Nuvi 2460LMT 2 Units

Local Routes Instead Of Hwy

My NUVI40 does the same. I thing it is because it has no concept of lights and traffic. Point-to-point, allowing only for road miles and speed limits, it may indeed be the fastest.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Node math

spokybob wrote:

Using fastest time, when I get a very lame routing instruction, I ignore it. When Jill notices, she says, "You missed the turn" then upon recalulating, the new ETA is a few minutes sooner.

Sounds like a lazily written algorithm. Node and vector math is hard.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Everything was unchecked

muell9k wrote:

For troubleshooting purposes, go into the avoidance screen and UNCHECK ALL possible options. This will rule out the issue is avoidance related.

yes, everything was unchecked when i started my trip

Next Question

EcoRoute1 wrote:
muell9k wrote:

For troubleshooting purposes, go into the avoidance screen and UNCHECK ALL possible options. This will rule out the issue is avoidance related.

yes, everything was unchecked when i started my trip

So we can rule out avoidances.

CraigW wrote:

I wonder if the use of eco-route to compute mpg might be the culprit. What would happen to routing if eco-route were fully disabled on the 1490LMT?

Was Eco-Route enabled when you took the trip?

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Nuvi 2460LMT 2 Units

Long shot.

One time I was getting some crazy routing when trying to plan a trip. I thought I had checked everything and couldn't find anything wrong in my preferences. It was so screwed up that the nuvi was even taking me the wrong way on a 1 way street! Then I felt really stupid when I realized I had left it in Pedestrian usage mode from the last time I used it while walking in a city.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Pedestrian Mode?

EcoRoute1 wrote:

avoidances are all disabled.

i am not using ecoroute for routing. (i just use it to calc MPG.)

my gps is set to Fastest Time.

Looks like the Nuvi was set to automobile so that's not the culprit.

Still need a reply from EcoRoute1 regarding if EcoRoute was enabled when making the trip.
If yes, perhaps disable it and do a simulation test to see if the route works properly.

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Nuvi 2460LMT 2 Units

Another suggestion

Since you state that you just updated your maps there's a good chance that your firmware was also automatically updated during the process.

I recommended you do a hard reset which has solved similar problems for others in the past.

Good luck smile

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/30019

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Nüvi 255WT with nüMaps Lifetime North America born on 602117815 / Nüvi 3597LMTHD born on 805972514 / I love Friday’s except when I’m on holidays ~ canuk

ecoroute routing?

muell9k wrote:
EcoRoute1 wrote:

avoidances are all disabled.

i am not using ecoroute for routing. (i just use it to calc MPG.)

my gps is set to Fastest Time.

Looks like the Nuvi was set to automobile so that's not the culprit.

Still need a reply from EcoRoute1 regarding if EcoRoute was enabled when making the trip.
If yes, perhaps disable it and do a simulation test to see if the route works properly.

i know i've seen the ecoroute routing setting, but for the life of me i cant find it anymore?

reset ecoroute hd connection?

canuk wrote:

Since you state that you just updated your maps there's a good chance that your firmware was also automatically updated during the process.

I recommended you do a hard reset which has solved similar problems for others in the past.

Good luck smile

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/30019

will doing a hard reset kill the connection to my ecoroute hd? it was a bitch getting my 1490 to find it. i still dont know how i got it to connect finally

Any idea on turning off ecroute?

Other than a hard reset?

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260, 295W, 1490T,2455LMT

NUVI40

My NUVI40 has no EcoRoute, all avoidance's turned off, and it still does that. Think it is just that Garmin picks the first route it computes, and goes no farther.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

It seems no one wants to deal with the truth of the 1490>>>

EcoRoute1 wrote:

i just started using my 1490LMT.
I updated w/the 2013 maps.
I have it set to fastest time and [b]traffic turned off.[/b]

1) going from NJ to Brooklyn, NY i was on the highway to the Verazono bridge when it told me to take local streets to the bridge.

2) in going from brooklyn to queens, it again told me to take local routes instead of the Belt Parkway.

interesting enough:
1 block from my house, if i make the left to the belt parkway instead of the right to the local routes, the 1490lmt recalcs and tells me to take the Belt Parkway. WTF?!

Google maps also said to take the belt parkway.

So what is going on?! Bad gps?

this unit is a dismal failure and the worst POS GPS I have ever owned. The routing is simply abysmal...I have MANY TIMES experienced exactly what you describe and no amount of futzing has ever cured it. PLease, if you can, take the 1490 back and choose another unit...mine is so bad I will never buy another Garmin and can't wait for it to finally die to replace it (I cannot abide wasting money). In addition, wait for the spasmatic reboots and forget trying to update maps, the internal memory is way too small (cured, admittedly, with an SD card).

Find another unit!

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"You can't get there from here"

Garmin routing is generally very disappointing.

I was recently in Rockville, MD and had to drive back to Old Towne Alexandria during rush-hour. The Garmin routed me directly through Washington, DC with a million stop lights and lots of traffic, while Google Maps and Navigator on my Android phone routed me south on Washington's Inner Loop, which was was opposite the traffic, and along the George Washington Memorial Parkway (again opposite traffic) straight into Alexandria.

I kept the Garmin on while following my phone's turn-by-turn instructions(free on Android), and it kept trying to route me onto surface streets.

From now on I am going to use my phone's GPS. Garmin's future is bleak.

yep this is weird

yep this is weird

Loopy

david_kahn wrote:

...Washington's Inner Loop, which was was opposite the traffic, and along the George Washington Memorial Parkway (again opposite traffic) straight into Alexandria.

I use to live just outside DC. What is the Inner Loop?

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Maybe not

NuviHobo wrote:

yep this is weird

Maybe not. Garmin cannot store data for all stop lights, so it cannot take those into consideration.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

NJ to Brooklyn

Same thing.
Using my Nuvi 765T w/latest maps & firmware, & just ferries avoided, it tried to route me off the SI expressway right after Victory Blvd, and every other exit until I took the lower level on the VB.

EcoRoute1 wrote:

i just started using my 1490LMT.
I updated w/the 2013 maps.
I have it set to fastest time and [b]traffic turned off.[/b]

1) going from NJ to Brooklyn, NY i was on the highway to the Verazono bridge when it told me to take local streets to the bridge.

2) in going from brooklyn to queens, it again told me to take local routes instead of the Belt Parkway.

interesting enough:
1 block from my house, if i make the left to the belt parkway instead of the right to the local routes, the 1490lmt recalcs and tells me to take the Belt Parkway. WTF?!

Google maps also said to take the belt parkway.

So what is going on?! Bad gps?

I495 Clockwise traffic

David King wrote:
david_kahn wrote:

...Washington's Inner Loop, which was was opposite the traffic, and along the George Washington Memorial Parkway (again opposite traffic) straight into Alexandria.

I use to live just outside DC. What is the Inner Loop?

I495 makes a loop around DC, so I believe the Inner Loop is the clockwise flowing part of I495.

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Streetpilot C340 Nuvi 2595 LMT

Beltway

shrifty wrote:

I495 makes a loop around DC, so I believe the Inner Loop is the clockwise flowing part of I495.

Oh, I just call that the Beltway.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Beltway = Outer Loop + Inner Loop?

David King wrote:
shrifty wrote:

I495 makes a loop around DC, so I believe the Inner Loop is the clockwise flowing part of I495.

Oh, I just call that the Beltway.

I guess both lanes combined is the beltway, made up of the outer loop and inner loop.

Either way, I try to avoid this area as much as possible.

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Streetpilot C340 Nuvi 2595 LMT

255w doesnt routeb thru local

jolette wrote:

Same thing.
Using my Nuvi 765T w/latest maps & firmware, & just ferries avoided, it tried to route me off the SI expressway right after Victory Blvd, and every other exit until I took the bridge.

funny thing is my 255w never rerouted to local to goto the verazono. but it only had 2012.30 maps.

maybe its the 2013.10 map thats the problem?

Beltway

shrifty wrote:

Either way, I try to avoid this area as much as possible.

If you avoid the times that people go to work and go home from work, it's not bad.

If you think the Beltway is bad, try the Shirley Highway during rush hours. I drove it twice daily for four years.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Screwy Routing

My 13xx and 14xx routing got screwy with 2012 map update. I was hoping that 2013 map would correct that. I guess not.

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><> Glenn <>< Garmin nüvi 2598

screwy routing

My 1490t selected an approx 300 mile route to home which was neither the fastest nor the shortest. My 295w with a 2012.10 map, chose a route that was quicker and shorter than the 1490.

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1490LMT 1450LMT 295w

1490 time bomb

I have been using the 1490 for over two years and have never experienced any of the numerous 1490 problems listed on this site. I have never updated the maps. I wonder if I am just one of a lucky few or is this thing about to self destruct on my dash...cz

Good News

jolette wrote:

Same thing.
Using my Nuvi 765T w/latest maps & firmware, & just ferries avoided, it tried to route me off the SI expressway right after Victory Blvd, and every other exit until I took the lower level on the VB.

EcoRoute1 wrote:

i just started using my 1490LMT.
I updated w/the 2013 maps.
I have it set to fastest time and [b]traffic turned off.[/b]

1) going from NJ to Brooklyn, NY i was on the highway to the Verazono bridge when it told me to take local streets to the bridge.
[snip]

So what is going on?! Bad gps?

My new 2595 with updated 2013.10 maps and 6.60 firmware behaved strangely trying a route from the NY Container Terminal to Brooklyn. Told me to get off I-278 at the MLK, over to Clove Lakes, then back to I-278. It worked fine with the same firmware and 2012.20 maps.

After updating to the 7.10 firmware yesterday, the 2595 now chooses the I-278 Belt Parkway route straight from NJ to Brooklyn.

So (for me at least) the problem was fixed by the firmware update...

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Nüvi 2595LMT

firmware?!

firmware update for all models or just yours?

Combination?!

The firmware I posted about was for the 24x5/25x5/34xx/35xx models. I don't have a 1490 any more, so I don't know if there is an update for yours.

For my GPS,the I-278 Belt Parkway routing problem seemed to be a combination of maps and firmware. The older firmware worked with 2012.20 maps but not 2013.10. The same 2013.10 map works fine with the latest firmware released Monday (7/23).

Maybe the 2013.20 map (in August?) will fix this problem...

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Nüvi 2595LMT

Sounds like you 1490 is broken...

I had these same issues straight out of the box. Especially the spontanious rebooting.

It turns out that the USB jack on the back of the unit was defective. Why it keeps rebooting is because the USB jack in the back is defective, and the unit can't maintain 12v pwr. If the unit can't detect 12 v pwr, but can detect a USB is connected, then it thinks it should go to mass USB storage mode.

I'll bet, as with the one I HAD, you'll find that it works just fine without 12vp.

Well, anyhow, I did a return, and selected a model one down, 1450lm. Wala, no issues. Like my 1450lm very much.

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- Garmin 45xl, 12xl, Google Navigation, NavFree USA, Garmin 1450lm, Garmin 1350lm -

Primarly because you never updated the firmware or maps.

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- Garmin 45xl, 12xl, Google Navigation, NavFree USA, Garmin 1450lm, Garmin 1350lm -

Local routes.

I responded to your other thread with the following Garmin response, but in case you missed it, here it is again:
(FYI: I also tried reintalling the latest 765T firmware a/o a couple of weeks ago, it didn't help).

Since I posted last, I sent a note to garmin Cartography about this issue and their reponse is pasted below:

Good afternoon,

I have an idea or two from my part in the investigation—from looking at the different map versions and some different buried attribution between the versions. My thoughts may or may not hold water in the end, but all appropriate parties are looking into it deeply now thanks to your mentioning it.

Best regards,
Loy

Garmin Cartography Administration
1200 E 151st Street
Olathe, KS 66062

EcoRoute1 wrote:

firmware update for all models or just yours?

I've seen the same thing

on trips up and down I-95 in Maryland. The 1490 does not like to stay on the actual highway, it wants to take the service roads. It is very annoying.

Same Thing on 3590

I have seen this routing problem on my nuvi 3590. While coming back to Santa Fe from Albuquerque on I-25 I had programmed my nuvi to go to a WalMart in Santa Fe. It tried to tell me to get off the highway onto a frontage road several exits before it should have, with several stop signs. It tried to do the same again (onto the same frontage road) at the next incorrect exit. Funny thing is that the frontage road eventually merges onto the same road that the correct exit takes me.

All avoidances are unchecked and fastest route is selected.

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ChefDon

Same thing

Where I live we have a highway going across the city which has up to 6 lanes in each direction for about 25 miles. Three lanes are express with very few exits and the other 3 have frequent exits. My 3790LMT wants me to go in the lanes with frequent exits even though I go from one end of the city to the other. Set for fastest route too.
The 3790 is supposed to learn your traffic patterns by the way you utilize the routes you normally take. Maybe a slow learner!

Is the 1490 supposed to learn too?

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Nuvi 350 long gone, Nuvi 855LMT, Nuvi 2797LMT, DriveSmart 50 LMT-HD, 3790LMT now my daughters. Using Windows 10. DashCam A108C with GPS.

Wacky Local routes update (s/b fixed in 2013.30 map)

Here's the latest excerpt from my communication with Garmin regarding being routed off the Staten Island Expressway onto local routes for no reason (I may re-post this in other related threads):

We have the data which will be 2013.30 hosted now, and it has the attribution change I talked about before which changed routing behavior.

I just gave its early, rough self a test next to 2013.20 to be sure. What will make up 2013.30 does behave differently/better.

What makes up 2013.20 is the same there as 2013.10.

Even if I had caught my error, it couldn’t have been changed in time to get into 2013.20. By then, all of it was already in the hands of the paperwork gods.

Too many mapping windows & programs & versions open at once…

Best regards,
Loy

Garmin Cartography Administration
1200 E 151st Street
Olathe, KS 66062

jolette wrote:

I responded to your other thread with the following Garmin response, but in case you missed it, here it is again:
(FYI: I also tried reintalling the latest 765T firmware a/o a couple of weeks ago, it didn't help).

Since I posted last, I sent a note to garmin Cartography about this issue and their reponse is pasted below:

Good afternoon,

I have an idea or two from my part in the investigation—from looking at the different map versions and some different buried attribution between the versions. My thoughts may or may not hold water in the end, but all appropriate parties are looking into it deeply now thanks to your mentioning it.

Best regards,
Loy

Garmin Cartography Administration
1200 E 151st Street
Olathe, KS 66062

EcoRoute1 wrote:

firmware update for all models or just yours?

Re-routing

I have a 1690 and once it wanted to re-route me off the I-17 freeway heading into Phoenix. It showed me getting off, going down a road and back onto the freeway, except the re-route would have taken me 50 miles around the freeway to avoid some highway work for about 1/4 mile. Sometimes you just have to know that the GPS is wrong. I never use the re-route function.

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Larry - Nuvi 680, Nuvi 1690, Nuvi 2797LMT

Haunted Forest...

My 2460 (LMT, current on firmware and maps) insists on taking me through the Haunted Forest if I use it to visit a friend down in Morgan Hill, South of us.

The road he's on is paved for a few miles, up to his house and about 300 yards further. Then it's unpaved for about 1.4 miles THROUGH THE HAUNTED FOREST where it exits on to a larger (paved) road.

The maps must think it's a paved road all the way -- avoid unpaved roads is indeed turned on.

Routing thinks it would be quicker for me to go through the Haunted Forest...

I think it's in cahoots with the critters in the Haunted Forest who want to gnaw on my bones...

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Nuvi 2460, 680, DATUM Tymserve 2100, Trimble Thunderbolt, Ham radio, Macintosh, Linux, Windows

Custom Avoid?

Sounds like it would be a good place to put a custom avoid.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Not sure if mentioned by

Not sure if mentioned by hard/master reset probably loses Favorites, pre-programmed routes (if model has that), and more so you need to copy current.gpx to computer before reset and copy it back afterward.

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Bernie - Garmin Nuvi 760 (used to have 350 & 360)

Garmin routing is generally very disappointing.

I too drive from Rockville to Alexandria a lot and it always routes me on the inner loop.

I'm using a 1450 LMT

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