Clearly revenue generation

 

Those that claim that Automated Traffic Enforcement is primarily for revenue generation will find support in the comments on Charlack, Missouri in the following study.

http://web.missouri.edu/~sunc/Automated%20Enforcement_csun_v...

You will need to scroll down to page 24 of the study.

Clearly revenue generation

I always thought that's what they installed them for.

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johnm405 660 & MSS&T

Yep!

johnm405 wrote:

I always thought that's what they installed them for.

Me too.

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Always been the case..Always will be the case

As I have always said they could hire live police officers and post them anywhere in the city, at every intersection and they could easily write tickets to cover DOUBLE what their cost is to the city or county. Not to mention people driving without a license, have warrants, DWI or DUI could be arrested, their cars towed. These automated tax collectors are justified many times by scewed data which like many out there today..... Data that supports their argument is in, that which doesn't is out.

no they can't

Frside007 wrote:

As I have always said they could hire live police officers and post them anywhere in the city, at every intersection and they could easily write tickets to cover DOUBLE what their cost is to the city or county. Not to mention people driving without a license, have warrants, DWI or DUI could be arrested, their cars towed. These automated tax collectors are justified many times by scewed data which like many out there today..... Data that supports their argument is in, that which doesn't is out.

The simplicity of this argument always causes me to shake my head in wonder at what some people use for reasoning when it comes to hiring employees.

The hourly wages are only a small part of the entire package. There are the vacation days and holidays to be considered, then on top of all that there's the medical and retirement. All total, hourly wages are only about 15% of the cost of hiring an employee. it's the long-term stuff that adds to the cost which isn't taken into account with these "quick fix" solutions.

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Yup

Yup. Governments are usually greedy, but not always stupid.

The real problem is that the electorate doesn't really hold them responsible for all their wasted & useless spending. That's why balanced budget amendments are necessary.

I don't know about you, but I don't feel any safter with redlight & speed cameras than I did before.

Fred

Yes...

and you aren't any safer, just more closely watched!!

Be careful out there!

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California Red Light Cameras

Red-Light Cameras Boost Coffers, Rile Drivers -- California has the most expensive red-light camera tickets in the world - the fine is so steep that one camera in Oakland generates more than $3 million a year - and a Fremont man is launching a protest group to do something about that. KEVIN FAGAN in the San Francisco Chronicle - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/02/05/...

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No need to shake your head...It's simple...

Let's say the officer makes $25 an hour and with benefits his/her cost to the employer is $32.50 per hour worked. 10 hour shift they have to write double thier wages plus another 50%. Let's just round it to $650 a day. In a ten hour shift the officer could write 6 a day needing to avergae only $125 a ticket. Most officers could easily write a thousand or more on a daily basis. You really think this is impossible and can't be done?

Shaking my head!!!!!!

Frside007 wrote:

Most officers could easily write a thousand or more on a daily basis. You really think this is impossible and can't be done?

If I do the math, a 10 hour shift is 36000 seconds (assuming no time off for eating, calls of nature, reports, etc). By your reckoning, the officer will stop and ticket a motorist every 36 seconds.

Seems to me that it would take an officer a minimum of 5 to 10 minutes to run the car license plate thru the central database (usually before approaching the car), then get the driver's license and run it, then write the actual citation.

If the office wrote 100 tickets each shift, that is one every 6 minutes.

What did you really mean?

You really serious??

A thousand dollars worth of tickets NOT ONE THOUSAND TICKETS. It clearly says write 6 tickets a day...Wow

No - you're off by a tremendous amount

Frside007 wrote:

Let's say the officer makes $25 an hour and with benefits his/her cost to the employer is $32.50 per hour worked. 10 hour shift they have to write double thier wages plus another 50%. Let's just round it to $650 a day. In a ten hour shift the officer could write 6 a day needing to avergae only $125 a ticket. Most officers could easily write a thousand or more on a daily basis. You really think this is impossible and can't be done?

I don't know what an officer makes in your area, but you are failing to account for all the costs involved. The officer worked for several months without producing any revenue while in training. The officer incurred costs for medical insurance, retirement, uniforms, equipment, and many other items. The city probably has an investment in the 6 figure range just to get that officer on the street, Now, there will be salary increases, pension funding and other "hidden" costs you are failing to include. So, like a college student just getting out of school and starting work, there is a mountain of debt to be repaid, and an even larger burden over the years when the officer retires. Now, just how many $125 tickets will it take to offset not only the officer's salary and benefits, but those of the court, administration and everyone else that has to process that piece of paper?

It's not just salary, it's all the other costs that are incurred to keep that officer standing on the street corner,

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I did not read it closely enough

Frside007 wrote:

A thousand dollars worth of tickets NOT ONE THOUSAND TICKETS. It clearly says write 6 tickets a day...Wow

Apologies

RLC vs Patrolmen

The RLC is much more efficient. No patrol car: No health insurance or vacation. RLC works all three shifts. No need to eat donuts or drink coffee. Motorists only have to forfeit their right to a day in court to confront their accuser.
How about fining motorist $5,000 and confiscating the car? After all, it will still be just a civil penalty. The cities could balance their budget without raising taxes. More people would be riding the bus.
What's not to like about that?

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interesting info. Thanks.

interesting info. Thanks.

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http://www.poi-factory.com/node/21626 - red light cameras do not work

It was primarliy a revenue

It was primarliy a revenue generator with a side effect that roads may become safer.

I have no idea what a LEO makes per hour but ...

Frside007 wrote:

Let's say the officer makes $25 an hour and with benefits his/her cost to the employer is $32.50 per hour worked. 10 hour shift they have to write double thier wages plus another 50%. Let's just round it to $650 a day. In a ten hour shift the officer could write 6 a day needing to avergae only $125 a ticket. Most officers could easily write a thousand or more on a daily basis. You really think this is impossible and can't be done?

... in all cases I'm familiar with, the overhead costs for an employee is easily more than their hourly wage. Consider vacation, sick time, medical and life insurance, IRA, etc. That is, the total cost of an employee is more than twice their hourly wage.

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Great

jgermann wrote:

Those that claim that Automated Traffic Enforcement is primarily for revenue generation will find support in the comments on Charlack, Missouri in the following study.

http://web.missouri.edu/~sunc/Automated%20Enforcement_csun_v...

You will need to scroll down to page 24 of the study.

I think they are great. Install more. So what if they are money generators...better than raising taxes on everyone. Let those that run the red lights pay!!!!

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Well said!

spokybob wrote:

The RLC is much more efficient. No patrol car: No health insurance or vacation. RLC works all three shifts. No need to eat donuts or drink coffee. Motorists only have to forfeit their right to a day in court to confront their accuser.
How about fining motorist $5,000 and confiscating the car? After all, it will still be just a civil penalty. The cities could balance their budget without raising taxes. More people would be riding the bus.
What's not to like about that?

Sounds like a great idea to me. In addition, offenders could be summarily executed allowing natural selection to provide a safer driving environment for the rest of us, free of the dangers of the traffic scofflaws.

An added benefit of execution is that the governing agencies wouldn't have to return the confiscated property in the event of an inconvenient future finding of unconstitutionality.