red light cameras stolen

 

With any luck . . . .

The start of an epidemic.

Loved the comment about that they 'stop people from running red lights'.

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LOL!

Now thats funny!!!!

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That guy's a Hero

That guy's a Hero! wink

That is funny, I must admit.

That is funny, I must admit.

That's great!!!

That's great!!!

Not great or funny. Guess

Not great or funny. Guess how much that cost you, the tax payer, in police hours, reinstallation time, court time, and then the jail/prison time.

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Wow

Now we are saying the actions by these criminals are great and funny!!! Our society seems to be getting sicker by the day. Besides as one poster put it, it costs the average taxpayer to replace them. Like them or not they are going to be around so we may as well get use to it and quit complaining.

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Hmmmm . . . .

farrissr wrote:

Now we are saying the actions by these criminals are great and funny!!! Our society seems to be getting sicker by the day. Besides as one poster put it, it costs the average taxpayer to replace them. Like them or not they are going to be around so we may as well get use to it and quit complaining.

Absolutely.

In fact, to a very large degree, the United States was founded on the principle of taking action into one's own hand in order to right a legislative wrong.

It would cost nothing had they not deployed the greedy machines in the first place.

Don't take this as a personal criticism, but it is attitudes like yours (passive acceptance) that are ruining the country - we should not be sitting on our fannies while our rights are eroded, little by little.

I'm not advocating violence, or theft, but the fact is that this kind of passivity (we'd bettter get used to it) is costing us.

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However, there are proper mechanisms for expressing one's disagreement with government actions.

And stealing or damaging public property is never one of them.

If it were, then the actions of defacing government property by groups like Greenpeace and other groups that take radical measures would have been upheld and vindicated in the courts.

Condoning these radical actions is equally as costly as the passivity you denigrate.

Indeed

Which is why I wrote that I don't advocate violence or theft . . . .

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I believe your first comment was "With any luck . . . The start of an epidemic."

Sounds like advocating to me. But that's just me.

Also indeed

Ever hear of sarcasm?

I don't advocate violence, but if certain people are pushed over the edge and they start doing what the Brits have been up to I wouldn't be surprised.

I have been active in my local community, writing presentations to city council and such - but with almost a million people in the borders to be impacted should this (and a couple of other money-grabbing proposals) go through there are surprisingly few who are concerned enough to get involved.

This 'if you're going to be raped you might as well lie back and enjoy it" attitude is where the problem lies.

And then, when the government oversteps the bounds of propriety and starts messing with the system so as to ENTRAP people, their reaction in ways such as those described is perfectly understandable. Not legal, mind you.

It is extremely difficult to fight city hall. They have YOUR resources on their side.

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red light cameras stolen

well, im not a fan of theft, but i guess i can make an exception for this one.

Vote

You should get off your fannie and start a petition to get a proposition on the ballot for your next election outlawing them wherever you live. All I hear are people complaining and doing nothing about it. No personal criticism but we are not living in the 1700's either. The people voted in the politicians who are putting them in place so how can they really complain. Personally I could care less if they generate income if it stops people from running red lights. Doesn't bother me and it shouldn't bother you unless you are a red light runner or attempt to beat the light. Probably the police shouldn't use radar guns to catch speeders either.

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What's next

They recovered the 2 stolen cameras when the "NYPD locked up 45-year-old Anthony Cintorrino and a friend who they say used a bucket truck to swipe 22 high-end Nikon red-light cameras."

And then a few paragraphs latter it states:
"Detectives are now trying to figure out who stole the cameras and whether it was an "inside job.”

Gee could it be that Anthony is a suspect? What is the detectives next assignment - finding a blackbird in a bowl of milk.

Not even close!

bramfrank wrote:

I have been active in my local community, writing presentations to city council and such ...

All legally sanctioned and welcome activities fron a concerned and engaged populace. I can't possibly see equating this with committing felonies for profit. These thieves were most certainly not engaging in a social protest. They were stealing someone elses property for profit.

I don't see which of my rights are being threatened with red light cameras, either. I don't like them and I don't like the double-talk from those who ordered them. But they are not violating or threatening my rights. As long as I comply with the traffic laws that have been in place for decades, I don't have to be concerned about them at all.

Where've you been?

Have you not been reading where cities shave yellow light dwell times to entrap people?

Have you not seen where cities disconinue using these systems becauise they don't generate the expected profit?

I have no problem with enforcement per-se.

But placement of these systems is based in INCOME GENERATION. And more than half the money; in some cases as much as 83% of the revenue is paid to the companies that run the systems.

When you are ticketed a month or more after the so-called offense, it simply doesn't matter because there is no immediacy - the impact is zero. If there were mitigating circumstances you may not even remember what they were. There is no facing your accuser.

There is just so much bullsh*t behind the concept that every time I hear about yet another way to milk extra money from the system (ticketing for seat belts; cracked windshields, using handheld cellular phones and such) it is absolutely clear that it just has NOTHING to do with safety.

It's all about the money.

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Condoning wrong

iplayball wrote:

well, im not a fan of theft, but i guess i can make an exception for this one.

When is there ever a reason or motive to condone wrong.
When do we raise or lower the bar on right or wrong; when it satisfies our agenda? NO! NO! NO!
right is always right and wrong is always wrong, and it is wrong to take anything that does not belong to you.
It is called stealing.
... and the Bible states; "Thou should not steal"
Whether or not I agree with red-light cameras, I do not have the right to steal (remove) it!!!

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And I'd suppose you'd refer

And I'd suppose you'd refer to Romans 13:1-7 and Matthew 22:21 to reinforce submission to secular authority.

Huh?

Motorcycle Mama wrote:

However, there are proper mechanisms for expressing one's disagreement with government actions.

Understood...

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And stealing or damaging public property is never one of them.

Public? Public 'property' or publicly 'sorta' managed.
Understand that many of these RL cams are contracted from private orgs.
Granted, it would be a contractual issue regarding repair/replace.
Besides, I'd be confident its prolly stated that if it costs X to replace its prolly....
MASSIVE UBER PROFIT - Replacement cost= MASSIVE UBER PROFIT - Negligible cost on balance sheet.

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If it were, then the actions of defacing government property by groups like Greenpeace and other groups that take radical measures would have been upheld and vindicated in the courts.

Heheeheh...
Greenpeace are HIPPIES..and 'politically correct'. You know dang well they are not subject to the same penalties as normal americans.

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Condoning these radical actions is equally as costly as the passivity you denigrate.

Radicals?!?!
Green peace is 'normal'?... but fighting back to profit motivated RL cams that inherently do not allow the accused to face the accuser (tech not-withstanding..we are talking situational)..is radical??
Wow... I'll leave it at that and just await your 'reaction'.....
If your really off the rails..then I'll have to invoke some AMERICAN values.

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funny

I love that article

Not Public Property

All the red light cameras in Illinois are owned by Red Light Illinois. They lease the cameras to municipalities for $150,000/month if I remember the article in my local paper correctly. But they come with a guarantee that they will make that up with revenue from the tickets. Red Light Illinois' take for these tickets is $30 out of every $100. That implies they take in a profit of at least $50K for the fines and $150K lease. Not bad if you can get it, $200K minimum a month.

I don't know who pays if a camera is lost/stolen, but for those profits, I'm sure they get replaced in a hurry.

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There's a fix

The camera companies/municipalities that own the cameras need to start...

...wait for it...

...attaching GPS locator devices to the cameras to help find the ones that get stolen.

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prision time

dagarmin wrote:

The camera companies/municipalities that own the cameras need to start...

...wait for it...

...attaching GPS locator devices to the cameras to help find the ones that get stolen.

I hope when they come up with a way of tracking these stolen cameras, the thieves get big jail time.

There are a few people that made comments on this thread that didn't surprise me in the least, that's just their nature, then there are others that stooped as low as the first group, and that shocked me.

People, if you want to beat the cameras, slow down, come to complete stops at red lights and before making that right turn. And of course keep your POI factory files up to date.

Don't take the law into your own hands, I vote for people that legislate the laws you don't like, and you could do the same thing.

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Early Christmas Present

This is what I'm asking for Christmas this year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T43LtGNFLPw

Write Santa early and often!!!

that is awesome

that is awesome. sick of cities installing these just to screw the people forced to drive through their city

Stolen Cameras

Fantastic!

Everyone is hung up...

On the idea of political statements and anti RLC sentiment... Its much simpler. Its thievery... plain and simple... Financial gain on the part of thieves... High priced Nikon cameras are easily resold for quick cash....No altruistic motives here....

haha

haha

Not the best way but no sympathy from me

I'm sure the cameras weren't taken by an angry driver caught running a red light but I really have no sympathy for the company or city. The cameras are a profit device for the company that owns them and a revenue source for the city. The term safety is used but this is in no means why they're installed. I and every perspn out there could name 100 intersections that need these but they'll never be installed because they wouldn't make enough money. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. A cop could easily write 5-10 times his salary a day so if traffic laws/safety/law enforcement were the driving force(s) they could hire 10 to 100 new police officers in every city,county and state and they're salaries would be paid soley by traffic taffic tickets and millions of dollars would be raised. Oh and the people who stole these cameras might have been caught stealing something else by these new officers had they been on the streets.

Okay..

Frside007 wrote:

I'm sure the cameras weren't taken by an angry driver caught running a red light but I really have no sympathy for the company or city. The cameras are a profit device for the company that owns them and a revenue source for the city. The term safety is used but this is in no means why they're installed. I and every perspn out there could name 100 intersections that need these but they'll never be installed because they wouldn't make enough money. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. A cop could easily write 5-10 times his salary a day so if traffic laws/safety/law enforcement were the driving force(s) they could hire 10 to 100 new police officers in every city,county and state and they're salaries would be paid soley by traffic taffic tickets and millions of dollars would be raised. Oh and the people who stole these cameras might have been caught stealing something else by these new officers had they been on the streets.

Make whatever excuse you want for crime, I would love to hear you make that justification in front of a judge.

The law it the law, if you break it be ready to pay the price whether it's running a red light or stealing the red light camera. I would imagine the second, the theft would carry a much larger penalty.

The funny thing is, I agree with the hiring of police instead of cameras. However that's not what the law is at those intersections or roadways that have the cameras. It's up to you and me to change the laws by intelligent voting for the proper candidates that will cast their votes against the camera legislation.

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I admit it

I LOL'd

Red Lights

LOL

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hummmm...

that is hillllarrrriiiiious.

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How do you face your accuser

How do you face your accuser in court?

Amazing!

Haha, that's too funny. I don't know how I missed reading this post until now.

Modern Day Boston Tea Party in the Making?

Although not the same exact circumstances, not all events defacing/stealing "government property" is seen as reprehensible. Sometimes they can be catalysts to awakening the collective public consciousness.

If nothing else, acts like these (regardless of what you think of them) are keeping RLC's in the headlines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

I remember when the sure

I remember when the sure things in life were death and taxes. Now its death, takes and enforcement cameras. but maybe that is considered a form of tax?

Enforcement

If a cop is on the corner and sees someone run a red light-- he given a ticket-- is that enforcement, or revenue generating? Probably both! Is either one wrong?

If the cop sees someone enter the intersection when it is still yellow- and the cop give a ticket for running the red light. It is his word against yours and you would be fined. The camera will be more accurate in this case, then the policeman, and no ticket would be issued.

I was taught to stop when the light turns yellow, if possible. I live in CA and find that when the light turns red, at least 3-4 cars still go through. Cameras do help with the enforcement.

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Hah wow that's gutsy! We've

Hah wow that's gutsy! We've had some cameras vandalized here in AZ, but I don't think ever stolen.

Let the people choose

Here's an article about a town close to me that has put the issue on the ballot, which the city is protesting. Who woulda thought that the city would protest...

http://www.wkkj.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html...

cool

cool

Dear Bob,

Bob,
Your reasoning assumes that everyone ticketed is a legal resident of the city issuing the ticket.
If I live in Seattle and get a ticket in Renton I can't legally vote for/against the very elected officials in that city since I don't reside in it.
I could be wrong but this would seem to be
applicable in every city and state in the USA. Since most cameras are installed by cities my guess is that at least 50% of people who are ticketed are from out of town and therefore have no way to change laws or vote against the elected officals that wrote the law in that city.
I don't believe I ever made an excuse for a crime. I just said I have no sympathy for what happened.
I would add that the people operating the company can't be to bright. Who would put thousands of dollars of video equipment out on a street corner with no security what so ever?

Well they should

stop putting expensive cameras inside. Most cameras are standalone digicams instead of ones built into the housing.

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That's great. Cops: they

That's great. Cops: they made laws but they never follow their own laws.

Uumm...

stevennguyen wrote:

That's great. Cops: they made laws but they never follow their own laws.

AFAIK cops are not law makers. They're law enforcement officers.

I don't know why but this

I don't know why but this story makes me grin.