Red Light Cameras Illegal In Florida

 
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interesting

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am not sure how the cities can get away with this when there is a written law saying they can't.
I will keep the locations in the file until I read that they have been shut down.
Miss Poi

Traffic Violations

Isn't that how they get around it though? By not calling it a "Traffic Violation". Don't they treat them as a non traffic violation similar to a parking ticket????

Bet?

I'll make a bet that they'll be deemed "legal."

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Red Light Cameras Illegal In Florida

You are absolutely right what they are doing with these cameras is just filling there pockets with money. I would like one person to explain to me how these cameras will prevent an accident or save a life. Speeding tickets are suppose to be deterrents. Snapping a picture, sending a violation ticket to your house, paying the fine does nothing except produce revenue. Getting stopped by the police and being detained for 15 to 20 minutes while he writes the ticket, that will make you think about speeding.....

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Better roads though?

Yeah but think.... won't we get better roads because of all the revenue the cameras are generating?

Yeah.... and I believe in the tooth fairy also. razz

revenue?

Just like all the huge monies from the tobacco companies are going to "help" the health care crisis of every state and fund the "education" of our children.
...and this time fo the year, I believe in Santa Claus, hehehehehe

Florida tags

They don't have red light cameras in Florida. Those things you see on the traffic light are to control traffic flow. Now think about it for a second, they are facing on coming traffic, to the front of the vehicle, Florida does not have a front license tag.

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sfgps wrote:

They don't have red light cameras in Florida. Those things you see on the traffic light are to control traffic flow. Now think about it for a second, they are facing on coming traffic, to the front of the vehicle, Florida does not have a front license tag.

See these articles:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami_dade/story/287893.html

http://www.kron.com/global/story.asp?s=7032957&ClientType=Pr...

Miss POI

something new.

kron is San Fran, I wouldn't trust them as a source for Florida news.

My mistake, I thought people were talking about the devices already up next to the traffic lights.

Living in Florida I see self centered @$$wipes that feel they are so important that they need to go through the red light and delay everyone heading in the other direction. I am against cameras watching the citizens but if people slow down, follow the signals and had respect for other people the cameras wouldn't be worth the city investing in. However because people have no respect the cameras make it worthwhile for the local governments to invest in. The bigger the government and the more control you allow them to have over your life the more of your money they will be glad to tax away from you and then waste. (Please don't fall for that tax the rich or tax corporations BS, it all comes back down to average Joe one way or another) Stop putting those people in office.

According to the IIHS

Apopka and Gulf Breeze have red light cameras, even though they are illegal. Apparently there is some loophole that they are trying to contest and they are putting them up until their court contests are decided.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1994.asp

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety is obviously pro-camera. They are funded by insurance companies and their primary spokesman on the cameras is Richard Retting. He is hardly and unbiased party according to this article from 2002.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/00...

The list of cities with the cameras according to IIHS:
http://www.iihs.org/research/topics/auto_enforce_cities.html

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Florida traffic cameras

While traveling just west of Brandon (Tampa area) my gps alerted me of A traffic camera in the area of sr60 and 301. Legal or not they are out there.

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They're putting a few up in

They're putting a few up in Orlando too. The fines are very expensive, nearly $200.

Use of Fine Money

I would feel a tad better if the money from these violations was mandated solely for road repair!!!

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thefastbird wrote:

...what they are doing with these cameras is just filling there pockets with money. I would like one person to explain to me how these cameras will prevent an accident or save a life. Speeding tickets are suppose to be deterrents. Snapping a picture, sending a violation ticket to your house, paying the fine does nothing except produce revenue. Getting stopped by the police and being detained for 15 to 20 minutes while he writes the ticket, that will make you think about speeding.....

I happen to live in the area of several of these red light cameras. It has been easily documented that there has been a huge reduction in the number of traffic violations at the intersections from a before and after analysis.

And from a personal note my wife got caught for speeding through a red light camera... hasn't happened twice so I do speak from experience. A little bit poorer and a whole lot wiser. redface

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Red Light cameras

Here are some interesting "challenges" that the Safe Light Program (as it is deemed in NC) has brought to the bureaucratic table.

http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20071008/NEWS/71008032...

http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20070923/NEWS/70923040...

When a The N.C. Supreme Court ruled in June '07 that schools were to receive 90% of the proceeds generated, the state scrambled to "find" the monies owed to the schools. This is interesting in that this was determined prior to the first camera being installed in NC. Now....I wonder how much it has costs tax payers for them to determine what was already established?

I am not against the cameras because in my local area they have reduced accidents and traffic violations. What I am against is re-inventing the wheel at the tax payers expense.

Whew....Thanks for letting me vent.

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This is just Great!

In the link below tax payers may fund red light program!

http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20060519/NEWS/60519037...

Excercise your privilege to vote!

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Curious ...

tetyson wrote:

In the link below tax payers may fund red light program!

http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20060519/NEWS/60519037...

Excercise your privilege to vote!

What most people do not know is that the vendors pay for everything. The installation, operation, and maintenance of the cameras. Along with that, they say that a cop reviews the tickets, but many cities have been caught allowing the vendor to run the whole operation, including sending out citations.

I have a contract from here in Dallas regarding one of the suburbs. It states that the vendor will endure the cost of the installation. The city will pay $4500 per camera per month. If the cititations for that month do not cover the costs of the monthly fee, they will adjust the invoice and compensate for the following month.

In other words, if the fines to do not cover the monthly fee, the city does not have to make up the difference. The cities here in Dallas/FtWorth that have employed these cameras are in no risk of it costing them one single dime. They have only the possible risk of them losing millions of dollars by not allowing the cameras into their city. Not only does this lend to the idea that they are going to send out as many tickets as possible to ensure that they are making the monthly fee.

If I were you, I'd make it down to the city and ask for a copy of the contract the city has with the vendor. There are only 3 camera vendors, and I seriously doubt that they are not all formatting their contracts in the same manner.

Sounds to me like the city may just be trying to pull the ol' wool over your eyes and make some more money from you.

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Red Light Cameras

This most likely goes against the grain, but... if you are not running the red lights or stop signs why do you care? If you are driving in an unsafe manner or running stop signs then, well, you get what is deserved.

I never understand why people think that just because the traffic enforcement officials aren't around that it is "okay" to break the law. Think about what you teach your children. Follow the rules...

My thoughts

In Florida when the light turns green for you the best thing to do is to count at least 3 cars on the opposite side running the red light before you pull out to the intersection.This place is terrible and anything they can do to stop it is ok by me.People running lights cause accidents that result in injury or death to mostly others.When you want to brake here when the light turns yellow you look in your rear view mirror and you would think they are in your back seat.

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Light Cams

I have real problems with these things being calibrated by and revenue shared by a some company that has every incentive to catch as many people as possible.

Not a user but

Not a user of Red Light Camera POIs but thought
this might be of interest to some since Deland, FL
is fairly close to Orlando Area.
This is from Daytona "The News-Journal" of 2/5/08
(This is Deland, FL)
DELAND -- DeLand City Commissioners moved a step closer Monday night to installing cameras at three major intersections to catch red light runners.

The City Commission voted unanimously Monday in favor of drafting an ordinance to put cameras at three intersections

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prior post was edited by Miss POI

MrKenFL wrote:

Not a user of Red Light Camera POIs but thought
this might be of interest to some since Deland, FL
is fairly close to Orlando Area.
This is from Daytona "The News-Journal" of 2/5/08
(This is Deland, FL)
DELAND -- DeLand City Commissioners moved a step closer Monday night to installing cameras at three major intersections to catch red light runners.

The City Commission voted unanimously Monday in favor of drafting an ordinance to put cameras at three intersections

Intersection names were removed from the above post and added to the future locations file. Please let me know when the cameras have been installed and turned on.

Miss POI

OUT OF STATE

The people you see doing this are more than likely, people that moved here.

Florida Red Light Camera Update

The article below is in today's newspaper. I bring it up to re-verify that Florida only has 3 locations currently with red light cameras - the cities of Gulf Breeze, Apopka and Port Richey.

Other cities are talking about installing them, but to date, these are the only active locations.

arrow http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/article661829.e...

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CAMERAS IN FL.

YES THEY DO HAVE CAMERAS IN TEMPLE TERRCE FOR PEOPLE WHO RUN RED LIGHTS. NO POINTS, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO PAY.

Yup

I sent Miss POI those two locations back in September. She has added them to the current redlight file.

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Please

BAM-IT wrote:

YES THEY DO HAVE CAMERAS IN TEMPLE TERRCE FOR PEOPLE WHO RUN RED LIGHTS. NO POINTS, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO PAY.

Please, use upper and lowercase when typing in this fourum.
Thanks

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Red Light Cameras in Florida

Gary A wrote:

The article below is in today's newspaper. I bring it up to re-verify that Florida only has 3 locations currently with red light cameras - the cities of Gulf Breeze, Apopka and Port Richey.

Other cities are talking about installing them, but to date, these are the only active locations.

arrow http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/article661829.ece

There are more than only 3 Florida locations currently with red light cameras. If you download the most recent file and sort it in Excel, using the 4th column, you will see that there are now 18 cities in Florida that have red light cameras. 3 other cities in my area are installing them in the next few months.

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Didn't read past this

thefastbird wrote:

You are absolutely right what they are doing with these cameras is just filling there pockets with money. I would like one person to explain to me how these cameras will prevent an accident or save a life. Speeding tickets are suppose to be deterrents. Snapping a picture, sending a violation ticket to your house, paying the fine does nothing except produce revenue. Getting stopped by the police and being detained for 15 to 20 minutes while he writes the ticket, that will make you think about speeding.....

Try doing some research. There are plenty of places where you will find the dramatic drop in accidents and fatalities in "enforced" areas. You will not find these statistics on the "anti-camera" websites you get your information from so you will have to branch out of your biased opinion. I have yet to see someone get flashed and continue speeding so your argument of it doesn't make them think about speeding is nowhere near the truth.

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July 2008

Clem530 wrote:
Gary A wrote:

The article below is in today's newspaper. I bring it up to re-verify that Florida only has 3 locations currently with red light cameras - the cities of Gulf Breeze, Apopka and Port Richey.

Other cities are talking about installing them, but to date, these are the only active locations.

arrow http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/article661829.ece

There are more than only 3 Florida locations currently with red light cameras. If you download the most recent file and sort it in Excel, using the 4th column, you will see that there are now 18 cities in Florida that have red light cameras. 3 other cities in my area are installing them in the next few months.

My post that you quoted and the article I referenced, were from July, 2008. At that time, the article said, "When Port Richey installed its red-light camera, it became the first city in Pasco and the third statewide, after Gulf Breeze and Apopka."

In September, Temple Terrace was added and I don't doubt what you stated that there are even more locations in other parts of the state. The list will be constantly changing. Which is why we need to let Miss POI know when we hear of a new camera being installed so she can keep the file as accurate and up to date as possible.

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Red Light Cameras

[ This most likely goes against the grain, but... if you are not running the red lights or stop signs why do you care? If you are driving in an unsafe manner or running stop signs then, well, you get what is deserved. ]

With attitudes like this we would still be paying taxes on tea, housing Redcoats in our homes and singing God Save the Queen

Make it illegal

In my point of view red light cameras are only for money making,,,... nothing else. I live in Chicago and we have them almost on every intersection.
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shorter yellow

i think when they put up the cameras they shorting the time the yellow stays on that way your sure to run the light i am in Apopka and there's a cam a few blocks from me

Exactly!

SONY1234 wrote:

In my point of view red light cameras are only for money making,,,... nothing else. I live in Chicago and we have them almost on every intersection.
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Yes, esp in Chicago. They mis-manage money, and then they want the little guy to pay up. This is only the start, it will get worse with these cameras.

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become pro-active

Pixelfight
You seem Chicago is picking on you, they really aren't. I suggest slowing down, coming to stops at Stop signs, complete stops before turns, Don't cross the stop here on red line. Just be law abiding, and load the red=light & speed camera POI file and be aware of where Cameras are. Then if you still get tickets, guess what it will be your fault, not anyone else's.

If you don't want to follow the above, you could take a Cab from point A to B and let the Hack take the hit for you while having a Starbucks and reading the paper.

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Recent sunpass court case in 18th circuit, applicable facts....

Someone was driving my truck in Port Richey without my permission,so I got banged by the camera at ridge and US 19. What I want to know is that if DOT says these can't be used on state roads how is it that this setup monitors a state road? I talked to DOT counsel's office, he said the courts have not interpeted anything on this issue. The legislature does not authorize these things. State Law requires law enforcement to witness violations; you can't cross examine these things so constitutional rights are being violated. There was recently a case in seminole county concerning sunpass which has a similar fact pattern but the big difference is it's sanctioned by statute where these aren't. In that case the court ruled that you can't mail out a ticket to a registered owner without proof of who is driving..i.e. a picture of a tag just doesn't cut it. Some college kids got caught putting fake tags on their cars and running lights to cause a problem for someone they don't like. Some cities have been caught under timing yellow lights to garner more revenue. These things can malfunction. I sat at Ridge/19 intersection one day and watched, the flash was going off constantly; leads me to believe it's malfunctioning. I will never ever do business with the Denny's on the corner of ridge and 19 because they allow this thing to be mounted on their property, other business owners on the other side of the street told Port Richey to stuff themselves. I'm about to call Denny's home office and complain. The cities hope it's too much effort to fight it...well I plan to, in this economy $125.00 is my grocery budget for the month. The affidavit of non-responsibility that Port Richey sends you misleads you into believing you can only use it if you identify who was driving so they can go after that person, their own ordinance says otherwise. I hate this state, would leave if I could but for now I'm stuck here.

Re: Red Light Cameras Illegal in Florida

Contrary to popular belief, red light and speed control cameras are very effective and there is tons of evidence to prove it. Firstly, when one gets nabbed for a violation and has to pay a fine or go to court, he'll remember where that camera was. Secondly, when the word gets around that there is a camera at a particular location, people will avoid the intersection or stop on yellow rather than risk a fine. The problem most people have with them is that the camera doesn't lie and you can't try to talk your way out of the citation unless you want to go to court.

Effective at what?

guzowskip wrote:

Contrary to popular belief, red light and speed control cameras are very effective and there is tons of evidence to prove it. Firstly, when one gets nabbed for a violation and has to pay a fine or go to court, he'll remember where that camera was. Secondly, when the word gets around that there is a camera at a particular location, people will avoid the intersection or stop on yellow rather than risk a fine. The problem most people have with them is that the camera doesn't lie and you can't try to talk your way out of the citation unless you want to go to court.

They are effective at stealing motorists money, but as for safety, they make things worse and should not be allowed anywhere. We need to ban these things once and for all.

Effective At What?

What most people don't recognize is what some small Municipalities have done in the past! Like put speed signs that when you round a corner the speed dropped from 55 to 25 with a cop car waiting at the sign! My favorite is the red-light that was controlled remotely by enforcing officials and if someone from out of town approached it they would turn it red and hand them a ticket! The State of Florida Officials have seen this abuse of power and hasn't given in for fear of abuse that it would bring! And the best for last some of the towns that weren't getting enough revenue shortened the yellows on their light so the camera leasing companies wouldn't remove them! If the money collected went directly to the state then the Municipalities wouldn't be doing this for right now they are the ones breaking the law just as much as the red-light runners!

I'm with you ... Hit them

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Ban YES!! But not the lights.

tomturtle wrote:

They are effective at stealing motorists money, but as for safety, they make things worse and should not be allowed anywhere. We need to ban these things once and for all.

I would like to ban all drivers that run red lights! It's such a common practise now, that any visitor would think it were legal for three (3) cars to cross after the red. Just what can we do to convince these drivers that such behaviour is downright dangerous.
So some posters don't like the "revenue" side. OK, let's say that if a car is identified running two red lights in a specific time period. Then either the owner is required to identify the driver, or the car is impounded for a week.
Harsh, perhaps, but something has to be done. Any other suggestions on how to stop running the red.

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My favorite idea

Something I have seen posted here is to stop buying goods at businesses near redlight cameras. Let them know you refuse to go near their business with these traps about.

Once businesses start getting hit, they will let the city councils know how they feel about them.

Since these are all about money, this is one more shove from the money side of things.

Pro Camera Advocates Aren't Always Right..!

higginm2 wrote:

This most likely goes against the grain, but... if you are not running the red lights or stop signs why do you care? If you are driving in an unsafe manner or running stop signs then, well, you get what is deserved.

I never understand why people think that just because the traffic enforcement officials aren't around that it is "okay" to break the law. Think about what you teach your children. Follow the rules...

Once again, here's someone else who only sees in black or white.. and not the gray area that's in-between.

Even though I agree on the safety factor, there will ALWAYS be circumstances or situations that occur with "red light running, speeding and cell phone use while driving" that shouldn't EVER lead to a ticket. I, myself, have been in some of those situations.

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Red Light Camers

Within 1 mile of my home there are 3 Red Light Cameras. They are on poles behind you when you stop at a light so they can take a picture of the rear of the car and the license tag. THEY ARE IN FLORIDA right here in Palm Bay and there are NO SIGNS warning drivers they are there. You say they are illegal. I wouldn't be surprised at all. Palm Bay has a long history of bending the law, in their favor, to the breaking point.