on refrigerators

 

I came up with some articles (multiple) that discussed how long a refrigerator should run, prior to adding food, when it is new.

Some said 24 hours, others said 2 esp. Samsung.

So doesn't this imply that due to the normal function of the refrigerator, it is hard to lower the temp (unlike the freezer which normally increases, and drops, 8 degrees each cycle)?

I see it as cycling. Say your freezer is 70F, and your fridge is 70F. The evaporator is in the freezer, and has a fan blowing cold air (that has had heat removed) into the freezer, and up to the fridge. But in reality, the source is in the freezer.

The system should run until the freezer reaches -5F. But when it does, it will turn off. So now, the fridge is at the mercy of the device cycling, i.e. freezer gets to +3F, so it turns on again, and runs until -5F. Over and over.

If the samsung takes only 2 hours and not 24, that implies separate cooling.

I just notice that if we are "looking" for something and the fridge goes from 40F to 48F? It will take hours to get back to 40F. Like maybe 6-8? Not because the machine doesn't work, but because it's dependent on the freezer, imho...what do you think? This is why I think it's not a good design, but it must be the cheapest....and likely most practical without doubling the cost.

Again, my analogy, is that with a SUV or a minivan, the rear passengers get a rear evaporator, to cool the back. The fridge is like the back of a SUV or minivan, it needs its own evap.

Two things

1. I think you are suffering from analysis paralysis and

2. You should not have bought a Samsung. They have one of the worst track records as far as reliability. They work well, have great features so they score high in Consumer Reports. But as far as reliability, they aren't considered to be good. See https://prudentreviews.com/reliable-refrigerator-brands/ for instance.

BY the way there is a pending situation with the Federal Trade Commission about unsafe temperatures in Samsung refrigerators and also a class action lawsuit. See https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news...

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John from PA

analysis paralysis

John from PA wrote:

1. I think you are suffering from analysis paralysis and...

Well put, John from PA!

As a fellow sufferer, we also call it overthinking. It is not surprising, since we are constantly dealing with hi-tech equipment and it's not possible to learn all there is to know about the latest gizmo. mrgreen

Going on 3 weeks now (6/18)

Going on 3 weeks now (6/18) since the major guts our of LG got replaced - compressor, condenser and filter/drier. So far so good. Will it still be working a year???

Repair was under their extended class action settlement.

Had to readjust temps slightly. Default was 0F and 37F for freezer/fridge respectively. Freezer was at -10 and fridge at ~31/32 according to thermometer. After adjustment, freezer is at -3F and fridge ~35F. Not sure if fridge section is independent from freezer. Recovery seems to happen pretty which after being opened. IE 40/45 back to 35 within an hr or so.

Still, will never buy another lg/samdung appliance.

the interesting thing

dobs108 wrote:
John from PA wrote:

1. I think you are suffering from analysis paralysis and...

Well put, John from PA!

As a fellow sufferer, we also call it overthinking. It is not surprising, since we are constantly dealing with hi-tech equipment and it's not possible to learn all there is to know about the latest gizmo. mrgreen

For a job where I'm relying upon YouTube, I will watch 5+ different videos.

Example, the engine mount job where I did the top mount (there's a strut running from the top to a mount under the main electrical box), all the videos removed the main box, which involves disconnecting the main engine harness. That, imho, is something to be avoided if possible. Break that and....

One guy, although he didn't mention it, had the box tilted up and bungee corded out of the way--bingo, that's the way to do it.

Water pump--one guy said I assure you, you don't have to remove your fender liner to get it out from the bottom, or get crazy and remove the electrical box or engine mounts, I promise. You can take it out from the top. Also, a guy on amazon stated, even though the factory does not mention using RTV, please use it, you don't want to do the job 2x like I did.

Or, when the hvac co said 43F was good at the vents on the new Trane, you said totally unacceptable although you (me) said duct work was not part of it. That's why I nominated you for contributor of the year or whatever that was.

I get it, this isn't a bitog type of forum, so yeah people aren't into analytics lol

seems like

zx1100e1 wrote:

Going on 3 weeks now (6/18) since the major guts our of LG got replaced - compressor, condenser and filter/drier. So far so good. Will it still be working a year???

Repair was under their extended class action settlement.

Had to readjust temps slightly. Default was 0F and 37F for freezer/fridge respectively. Freezer was at -10 and fridge at ~31/32 according to thermometer. After adjustment, freezer is at -3F and fridge ~35F. Not sure if fridge section is independent from freezer. Recovery seems to happen pretty which after being opened. IE 40/45 back to 35 within an hr or so.

Still, will never buy another lg/samdung appliance.

If you could get it exact...39F is very good for the fridge. It would seem the freezer is less critical but -5F is good too.

^^The increased cooling with

^^The increased cooling with previous settings is not the concern. That's adjustable. My concern is will this thing last another 5 years or die on day 91 when the remainder of the warranty expires...

A 25 cu-ft side by side is around $2K these days delivered. That a chunk of change to replace an appliance I bought back in 2017.

good question

because my old hvac would blow 54F. This is when the house reached 74F. Good.

The new system was blowing 43F. The salesman said it's a new system, that's excellent.

Someone here said whoa you need to get them back out that is unacceptable--and he was right about the water streaming down the vents going to the upstairs in the basement.

So it wasn't increased cooling, it was reduced airflow causing the 43F (the blower was doing like 550 cfm when it shoulda been 1200 or so, heat and AC were set at the same.) Sure enough, about 8 days later the system froze up.

I don't measure anymore but I think it ended up being about 51F so a 22-23F drop on the brand new system setup properly...

If I knew how to measure all these things I would, I'm still curious lol

No Service

John from PA wrote:

1. I think you are suffering from analysis paralysis and

2. You should not have bought a Samsung. They have one of the worst track records as far as reliability. They work well, have great features so they score high in Consumer Reports. But as far as reliability, they aren't considered to be good. See https://prudentreviews.com/reliable-refrigerator-brands/ for instance.

BY the way there is a pending situation with the Federal Trade Commission about unsafe temperatures in Samsung refrigerators and also a class action lawsuit. See https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/samsung-class-action-lawsuit-and-settlement-news/samsung-class-action-alleges-refrigerators-fail-to-maintain-safe-temperature/

My neighbor bought a Samsung fridge 2 months ago from our local Home Depot. It quit working last week and, warranty or not, there is no one in our area that services Samsung appliances!

He was fed up with the runaround from Home Depot and went to a local appliance store to buy a replacement. They told him they cancelled their dealings with Samsung because of too many similar complaints.

Probably not the case in other areas but around here, it's buyer beware when considering Samsung.

Poor Samsung service and its ramifications

bdhsfz6 wrote:

My neighbor bought a Samsung fridge 2 months ago from our local Home Depot. It quit working last week and, warranty or not, there is no one in our area that services Samsung appliances!

He was fed up with the runaround from Home Depot and went to a local appliance store to buy a replacement. They told him they cancelled their dealings with Samsung because of too many similar complaints.

Probably not the case in other areas but around here, it's buyer beware when considering Samsung.

Here in Chester County PA many service facilities, very reputable for many years, quit servicing Samsung appliances. The problem was often parts availability causing excessive delays in doing the repairs. Not just days, but sometimes months! Unfortunately the client bad-mouthed the service person and reputations started to unjustly drop. To the reputable service person, who is likely busy because of his/her reputation the solution was simple, “we don’t service Samsung products”.

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John from PA

fascinating

bdhsfz6 wrote:
John from PA wrote:

1. I think you are suffering from analysis paralysis and

2. You should not have bought a Samsung. They have one of the worst track records as far as reliability. They work well, have great features so they score high in Consumer Reports. But as far as reliability, they aren't considered to be good. See https://prudentreviews.com/reliable-refrigerator-brands/ for instance.

BY the way there is a pending situation with the Federal Trade Commission about unsafe temperatures in Samsung refrigerators and also a class action lawsuit. See https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/samsung-class-action-lawsuit-and-settlement-news/samsung-class-action-alleges-refrigerators-fail-to-maintain-safe-temperature/

My neighbor bought a Samsung fridge 2 months ago from our local Home Depot. It quit working last week and, warranty or not, there is no one in our area that services Samsung appliances!

He was fed up with the runaround from Home Depot and went to a local appliance store to buy a replacement. They told him they cancelled their dealings with Samsung because of too many similar complaints.

Probably not the case in other areas but around here, it's buyer beware when considering Samsung.

We've had 2 Samsung TVs and knock on wood 2009 and 2013 LCDs no issues ever. But my wife bought one for her aunt in 2006 and it failed after 2 weeks. It was amazon and when going through warranty, two clowns showed up and said nothing we can do and left, you'll probably hear from Samsung sorry to say within 8 weeks with a replacement. So we went the amazon return route which was smoother. That was 2006, not sure if anything has improved.

Interesting you say fed up with Home Depot. I got a maytag gas range delivered and it was dented. This was a sat night...I went sun morning and they said come back wed when the mgr. is back. I felt uneasy...the mgr then said nothing we can do you should have refused delivery. Wrong answer. emailed Hotlanta who responded 10% refund on your entire purchase which was a range and a dishwasher. So i was only asking to get a non dented range, and they gave me $140 plus sent Maytag out (really one of those outfits who service all appliances but Maytag factory authorized) to replace the parts, which they were unable to hahahahahahahaha I gave up and have the parts in my basement.

Incompetence spanning 2 decades is my point.