COVID-19 Vaccine

Interesting that the Johnson & Johnson is now paused for the same thing. Also interesting that the J&J shot is produced in a very similar way to the AstraZeneca vaccine.

In any event, I'm 7 weeks from my first Moderna shot, so I am now considered fully vaccinated (at 6 weeks), well, at least until they start giving 'booster' shots.

Could end up as an annual vaccine just like the flu shot. No biggie.

Got the 1st shot and getting the 2nd dose in a few days. Absolutely no issues after getting 1st dose. Hoping the same after 2nd. I wouldn't do the J & J.

My brother-in-law got covid-19. He has blood clots from it but is doing better. After so many days the doctor had him take the 1st shot. He was very sick just like Covid-19 for 6 hours. Almost went to the hospital.
He was suffering with long term side effects from the Covid but after the shot and the 6 hours of sickness all his side effects were gone except the blood clots.

I'm glad your family member made it through the ordeal Mary.

My sister in law had a similar reaction to her first Pfizer shot. No blood clots but she had flu like symptoms severe enough for us to consider hospitalization. Lasted a day and then she was fine. She's a trouper though and will go ahead with her second dose next month.

She just turned 40 and originally wasn't going to get vaccinated. She changed her mind when a 36 year old friend of hers died from Covid 2 weeks ago. Sadly, it appears to be hitting the younger generations now.

...that a 37 year old here in SW Ohio came down with Covid the first of March. He developed blood clots and he had one lung shut down. He passed away this past Saturday leaving his wife and 5 kids with another one on the way. I stated on this forum back early last year that I didn’t think that the virus was that bad. I, (and others), compared it to the seasonal flu. I was wrong at that time, but I now believe that with vaccinations, this will now be comparable to the flu. Of course, I could very well be wrong again.

I think that it has been hitting younger people all along, just not to the same degree as older people, so they didn't get noticed by most people and the media. Now that many older people have been vaccinated, the younger people are more visible.

In March of last year the 25 year-old daughter of one of my daughter's friends caught COVID and became a "long-hauler" who is still almost incapacitated by the effects. In September the grammar school that my son's boys attend was reopened, and was then closed 10 days later after 6 people contracted the virus.

In December my brother's youngest grandchild (age 5) caught it and spent 3 & 1/2 weeks in the hospital. His parents (ages 40 & 38) later caught it, although with much milder effects. In January a 27 year-old colleague of my daughter felt fine during a virtual meeting on Wednesday, complained about feeling "blah" on Thursday, and died the following Monday.

- Tom -

All I had was a sore arm for 3 days with both injections of Moderna from the VA

Both doses, not much side effects. A little fatigued after the 2nd dose but not bad and didn't last.

information and mis, at times it's consumer reports, i.e. unscientific.

An elementary school here had an "outbreak" in the 2nd grade.

2 parents fully vaccinated tested positive.

First of all, how does an "outbreak" happen when a school system is practicing safety?

Secondly, what are the chances? I understand that the prevention of testing positive isn't really what vaccines are about, it's about preventing death and hospitalization. But if I were those two parents, it would be unnerving.

What if, everyone here is truthful and cooperative. Then, where were they in fact vaccinated? Was it a placebo? Is there a new strain? Is the vaccine really effective as it is said?

Personally, I would still follow the science. But would like to know if these stories are true, and if so, what's the scientific explanation? Remember, we consider the three vaccines to be 100% (or 99.2) effective against death and hospitalization. So in theory, they should still be ok.

I got the Pfizer shots. I had almost no reaction except a sore arm after the first shot. I had a terrible reaction after the second shot. I had 102f fever, horrible stomach pains, chills, muscle aches, exhaustion, and a headache. It took 3 days to feel somewhat better although the tiredness lasted for weeks. I have indolent splenic marginal zone lymphoma. That may have made the symptoms worse. The worst part is that I was tested for antibodies 3 weeks after my second shot and they found that I have almost no antibodies to fight covid-19 so I still can't get back to a somewhat normal life. When they tested the effecancy of the vaccines, they did not include people with autoimmune diseases.

My husband has cancer. He had the Alphamedix clinical trial of Nuclear medicine. Two weeks later he had his second Covid-19 vaccine. The next day he had his Octreotide shot for the cancer. 8 weeks later, last Friday, they tested him for antibodies and he is Positive, >20. They were happy with this. Maybe if you wait a few more weeks and be retested you will have some antibodies.'

I took my 84 year old neighbor for our second Moderna shot last week. He had no issues at all, I just had a sore arm. After seeing how bad things are in India, we are very fortunate to have the vaccine.

Thank you and I hope your husband is cured. My antibody test showed positive and was 10.4. Some people had antibodies over 250 from my group of people with SMZL. Those were people who weren't on recent treatments.I haven't been on any treatments yet. I am on watch and wait.

One of my colleagues had two injections of the Moderna vaccine with just minor discomfort at the site of the injections. My son had no reaction to his first Moderna injection, but his second Moderna shot had him flat on his back for over 24 hours.

One of my son's friends was convinced that he caught COVID-19 when he was in Latin America in March last year. Last month he had his first injection of the Pfizer vaccine - which has a reputation for very few reactions. He was almost completely exhausted and immobilized for about 3 days - which appears to confirm that he did have COVID-19 last year.

- Tom -

Your son's friend can still be tested for antibodies to test if he had covid before. I was immobilized for 3 days after my second Pfizer shot and I never had covid and I got 2 tests. One test for covid antibodies and one for antibodies from the vaccine. Those are 2 different tests.

The doctor just said he was positive for Covid-19 antibodies from his vaccine and that the test showed >20.0. I assumed this was a good reading and could find nothing online to tell me.

At this point the medical world is not sure what is a high enough antibody result with these tests to flight off a covid 19 infection. I was part of a study by the leukemia and lymphoma society to test for antibodies after the covid inoculations. Some of the people in the test group had almost a zero antibody count. These were people who were currently undergoing chemo or some other drug therapy that was suppressing their immune system..

It is unreasonable to be paralyzed in pursuit of perfection. Millions will die while waiting. No perfect vaccine will ever be possible when the pathogen is constantly mutating, and people are different with underlying conditions.

Some COVID-19 statistics as of now:

USA

Total deaths: 587,000

Deaths per 1M population: 1,764

One death per 567 people

Wear a mask, make sure it fits around the edges, no leaks. The objective is to stop the spreading of the pathogen.

He is the only one tested that was taking the Nuclear injections so we have nothing else to go on. He was also taking Octreotide injections that they call chemo so I guess he if fortunate to have a positive test. We will still wear our mask and social distance. With anyone like yourself and my husband I feel we can't be too cautions.
Take care of yourself.
Mary

Thanks,
Mary

I haven't taken it , still weary about it.

I am doing the same thing. I haven't been in a store or eaten out in over one year. I always wear a mask when I am in a building or outdoors where there are other people present. Now the CDC said that you don't have to wear a mask outdoors if you were vaccinated.

Beginning one year ago, due to COVID-19, morgues in the area of New York City were overwhelmed, and bodies were stored in more than two hundred 53-foot refrigerated trailers, located at different hospitals.

It was just revealed that about 750 bodies are still stored that way a year later, on a pier in Brooklyn next to the East River:

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/05/07/brooklyn-refrigerate...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/11/us/hart-island-coronavirus-bu...

These people passed away before the vaccine became available. In order to avoid joining them, I have taken the vaccine!

dobs108

As the title says, don't assume that vaccination is an absolute guarantee of future immunity.

One of my friends had both shots of the Pfizer vaccine several months ago. He recently contracted COVID. Fortunately, as the data seems to show is the norm for people who have been vaccinated, he had a relatively mild case even though he is over 80 years old.

- Tom -

Thankfully your friend had a good outcome. The vaccine appears to change the odds significantly in our favor.
Mark

Yes indeed. But potentially far more important than the wonderful improvement in our individual odds at a particular level of community infection, is the credible promise that community infection level should drop to entirely negligible levels if only the combination of vaccination uptake and personal infectious behavior restriction is sufficiently good. When the average transmission count for each new case, called R, is less than one, the community level of infection drops. It really can go right down to nothing. We did it for smallpox and polio, and there is no barrier to doing it this time except for public acceptance and behavior.

I saw where comedian Bill Maher who is fully vaccinated had to cancel his last live show on HBO because he tested positive for COVID. Apparently has no symptoms so far.

Good news for him ...... vaccine is working! Sadly, some people think that the vaccine efficiency should eliminate all occurrences of the virus.

Sorry ....please follow the science!

Being vaccinated will not prevent you from acquiring the Covid virus. But, being vaccinated will prime your immune system to fight off the virus, and it can begin it's job as soon as the virus is detected. This will prevent you from developing any significant viral load and you will have either mild symptoms or be totally asymptomatic. Latest I have read is also that because of the low viral load, it is almost impossible to shed enough virus to infect others.

The CDC and NIH do *not* recommend testing those who have already been vaccinated due to the chance of this (effectively) false positive. Because they are relatively asymptomatic and almost totally non-communicable, these 'break through' cases are considered clinically of no consequence.

Taking walk-ins now. Waiting to see if the variants change things.

It appears likely that booster shots will be required every 12 months to maintain the necessary level of immunity.

https://whyy.org/articles/will-i-need-to-get-a-covid-19-boos...

Maybe , even combined with the annual flu shots ..... along with everything else .....

Muell9k Wrote
Interesting fact about the J&J vaccine on NY Yankees testing positive.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/5-questions-new-york-yan...

I am surprised about Yankee short stop Gleber Torres having had Covid last year and now testing positive once after having the vaccine in April.

They have studied their use for the flu, rabies, and the Zika virus. They do not use live viruses and they don’t enter the cells or change DNA. Moderna and Pfizer are mRNA vaccines. J&J is a different type of vaccine. I may be wrong but I think that they are the same type as what the current flu vaccine is and produced and acts the same way in the body. However, the two mRNA vaccines have greater efficacy than the J&J vaccine. 95% vs 79%.

I am vaccinated and my immediate family is vaccinated. There does not seem to be a shortage at this time.

Bottom line, would you rather have a few side effects or die?

I had the WuFlu in January therefore I have antibodies. The purpose of any vaccine is to provide a reaction in the body to create antibodies. Therefore, I do not need any vaccine.

Antibodies are just one component of the human immune system. They are not the longest-lasting in their protective effects. The two currently deployed mRNA vaccines appear to be substantially more effective in conveying long-lasting immunity than having an actual case of the disease. They, by deliberate design choices, also convey more useful immunity against a broader array of variants than that provided by a successful "live encounter" with one particular variant.

That is not to say you have no immunity. I'd not suggest you shoulder aside any nursing home residents, or even first-line healthcare workers to get your dose ahead of them. But, those people have already had not one, but many chances by now.

My advice to you is to get either the Pfizer or the Moderna shot when it is conveniently available to you. And thanks for waiting until now.

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