COVID-19 Vaccine

Is opening up to 16 years old and above today. Mass walk-in vaccine centers are being opened in SW Ohio. One is capable of doing 5000 shots a week and the other will be doing over 3000 a week. More and more people at my church are showing up on Sunday with the announcement that they are fully vaccinated. Things are starting to turn around in Ohio. Restaurants and bars are allowed to stay open later and even though the numbers were up a little last week, they are starting to come down. They have come down a lot in the county where I live. Things are starting to look up. By the way; I did hear of a pharmacist who had some vaccines left over because of people missing appointments. It was about 8:45 PM and the pharmacy closed at 9. He/she started stopping people and asked them if they wanted the vaccine. This got shots in people’s arms and they didn’t have to throw any of them away. Smart thinking!

FWIW I had my 2nd Moderna shot this past Friday, I'm 62 with underlying conditions, other than a sore arm at the injection spot, no side effects.

a weird thought, do you think anyone got a 1st dose again, when they were supposed to get a 2nd dose?

Also, why is that card so important? People seem to be posting a lot on social media, and it shows name and DOB.

From what's been described to me, it seems the process is open for human error. Then again, isn't a blood test, but I've never had anything go wrong, like test missing or wrong test results...

The first dose is the same as the second dose. No difference. The card is simply your proof that you have received the vaccination.

At least for the Moderna shots, both shots are exactly the same.

As for the card, it's basically for your records, and in case you ever needed it to prove you've been vaccinated for some reason.

To be able to go to a ball game, out to eat, attend a wedding, get a job, keep your job. The list is endless.

on Easter Sunday. No side effects at all, not even any tenderness at the injection site.

Fingers crossed that booster shots and card carrying do not become another Government mandated thing.

Will not take unless forced to. It dosn't even act like a vaccine

1. It doesn't prevent you from catching covid or future mutated versions.

2. It doesn't prevent you from speading it and giving it to others. ( google Typhoid Mary)

3. It moddifies your DNA via mRNA.

4. The vaccine has not been tested long enough and there are some very bad side effects seen in the news. ( Blisters/rash/skin peel, anaphylaxis shock, stokes, etc...)

It's your choice to be vaccinated or not but the information in your source or your understanding of the presented information is not correct.

My wife and I got our second dose of the Pfizer vaccine one week ago. Still a week to go before they say we will have maximum immunity.

As was the case with our first dose, we had no side effects except some soreness around the injection site.

When our CDC vaccination cards were updated to show the second dose, we were advised NOT to get them laminated. Booster shots may be required in the future and the cards may need to be updated.

We were told the CDC recommends taking a picture of your card and keeping it on your smartphone. They also say to laminate a copy of the card, not the original, and to store the original along with other important documents, like a passport, in a secure place.

For security reasons, we were also advised NOT to share photos of the card on social media.

I thought this to be sound advice since it is rumored these cards may need to be presented under certain circumstances in the future.

My wife and I followed these instructions even though we are dubious as to their effectiveness since these cards are easily forged.

All the info John posted is 100% verifiable on any site esp the CDC site and VAERS tracking site.

Pfizer identical too. The way it was described to me I was wondering...people going into rooms to get shots without differentiating first or second. So much relies on the paper...

As far as the CDC identify cards go, in my opinion are useless in indicating you have received both doses of the vaccine as in the case of Pfizer and Moderna doses. These cardboard cards are easily be duplicated, and have NO seal on them as being a official document. I’m sure many of the sites that issue the CDC cards can easily give or sell the immunization cards proving you have been immunized.

Edited
My wife and I both received our second dose yesterday in a CVS pharmacy of the Pfizer vaccination.
We do get our medications from CVS. I found it interesting when I went online this morning and checked into my account it indicated the “PFIZER COVID-19 VACCINE (EUA) SUSPENSION FOR RECONSTITUTION” is what they called it along with the dates March 16 and April 6 for both vaccines along with the RX numbers. On the ID cards it showed it was the Pfizer vaccine along with the batch numbers. I would imagine the state run sites and can be verified by individuals seeking to prove they are fully vaccinated. There will be many questions in the following months and years while responding the horrific conditions we have been faced with.

No vaccine totally prevents you from acquiring the virus you are vaccinating against. But like other vaccines, it primes your immune system to allow it to fight off the virus if you do acquire it. The result is that you support a much smaller viral load, which prevents you from having severe symptoms (in most cases, prevent you from getting *any* symptoms). With the lower viral load, you are also much less likely to spread it.

The two mRMA vaccines have been shown to be reasonably effective on all the current variants, some better than others. In this way, it is similar to the Flu vaccine.

DNA exists solely inside the cells. mRNA exists and remains outside the cells. Rather hard for it to modify something it does not have access to.

True to some extent. But there is a big difference between causation, correlation, and coincidence. The only adverse reaction that has been definitely pegged to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines is an allergic reaction to the PEG in the carrier.

Well said, ddeerrff.

And since it was suggested to me that I check the CDC site, I did:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.htm....

I'm not trying to be argumentative and I accept that some will not want to receive a Covid vaccination or vaccine for other infections, but incorrect information should not be left unchallenged.

The fact sheets from the Pfizer and Moderna state differently on a couple of those points.

I dislike and distrust pharmacy companies, and the speed at which the vaccines were developed, and the human dna basis espoused in our local papers, and the government saying all are safe
I distrust media reporting of side effects more, were there systemic problems with vaccines there woul be bell curve of reactions, there is not, therefore the reported cause being vaccine, is crap

I dislike the idea of being sick more more than all the above, so will probably get the astra zeneca shot as soon as I feel better from flu

I get all of my meds from CVS, however, I was able to get a slot at a Rite Aid for my shots. This Friday will be six weeks from the first shot so they claim I'll be "fully" vaccinated at that point.

Anyway, I went onto my CVS account page to order some recurring meds and the Rite Aid shots I received were listed, and dates were included as well.

Interesting read on mRNA:

https://www.path.org/articles/mrna-and-future-vaccine-manufa...

My husband and I only had sore arms. Being over 65 can be a good thing sometimes.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/why-vaccine-side-effects-m...

ive had the two maderna shots and about a week after my second shot i had a lot of joint pain, it has started to go away except for my neck and one knee, prior to the shots yuears ago i was told i have degenitive bone disease and my neck and knees hurt then but the pain went away. and now it hurts pretty bad and yes i have a doctors appointment for it. im also 79 so i believe its the vacine age and body condition that cause it so i guess its not clear sailing for some people

There have been a lot of arguments that Covid is very minor to it having a death grip on others. The same with the vaccines where anywhere from no reactions to severe and even death. My opinion is that how covid and a vaccine hits a person is all based on their individual chemistry make up of their body combined with whatever that person has as underlying issues. I just wish everyone would just realize this and let people make their own health decisions as to whether they want the vaccine or not. I for one am so sick of the constant push from pharma, politicians, companies, individuals, etc. This is dividing the country at a time when we should be coming together.

If we are isolated by all means we should be able to and absolutely can do whatever we want. My thing was even pre pandemic I was annoyed by folks who went to the gym very sick, didn't cover when they coughed, and didn't wipe down the machine afterwards. My buddy said well you have no right to tell them to cover themselves, wipe down the machines, and your only option is to move to another machine or leave. Or, report them to the gym, but that's not going to accomplish anything. He continued, but for me? Since I have a compromised immune system, I have less options than you do. I can't even go to the gym or basically it's not a wise move. And btw, he has no intention of getting the covid vaccine. I mentioned his buddy even told him you're a moron for getting a tetanus shot. I told my friend I don't agree, I think you were wise to get a tetanus shot.

So in some way people all want to be safe, you, me, the people around us. So probably nobody is telling anyone specifically what to do, it's just generally. Generally, everyone in the gym pre covid should not come when sick, cover when coughing, and wipe down the machines. but when they don't? Nobody tells them to their face to do it, because very few of us can afford an altercation today, like we could 20 years ago. so that's the difference that I see. If on the news a b c is recommended, and you don't want to do a b c, don't do it. Nobody is personally telling you that--it's on the news and simply a generalization. How else can we have an opinion, and still come together?

my .02

We had our second shots (Pfizer in our case) on Saturday of last week. As with the first shot, I had no reaction other than minor discomfort from the needle. My wife was more tired than usual (but she is 80 and often tired anyway) and went to bed. Otherwise it was just a routine day for us.

At our location in Orange County, CA, we never got out of the car, and the longest delay was the observation period to insure there had been no reaction.

Not getting out of the car was not really a factor for us, but we have a couple of friends with major mobility issues for whom it would have been a major help, so we told them to go to Soka and not to one of the other sites where you do have to get out of the car.

- Tom -

No vaccine prevents you from catching a targeted pathogen. You are "catching" and fighting off germs daily, and most of the time, never know it. The vaccine prevents you from getting gravely ill and/or dying from the COVID-19 virus. Vaccines help your body's immune system fight the targeted pathogen when you get it.

No vaccine can be prepared to protect against future and unknown variants. That's an absurd and impossible expectation.

There is no way a vaccine can prevent you or anyone else that has the virus from spreading it. Again, the vaccine helps your body fight off the pathogen. The vaccine does not kill the virus. The vaccine teaches your body how to fight off the virus.

If you are concerned about spreading the virus, wear a mask.

It does not modify your DNA. Proof: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different...

There are some side effects, but very few, and far less than the number of people that will die if not for the vaccines protection. More people will be saved than those that might have a reaction.

In conclusion, the vaccines have not killed anyone, had not maimed anyone. The vaccines have prevented people from getting seriously ill and prevented deaths.

Wear a mask, keep your germs to yourself.

And when you do get sick, like a cold or flu, you caught those germs from someone else. Think about that.

I found this tool on the web for locating a Covid-19 vaccination: https://www.vaccinespotter.org/
Mark

I have gotten the annual flu shot every year, for as long as I can remember, in that time I have gotten the flu, after getting the shot, twice.

This years flu shot is pretty much based on last year's known variants. Some variant comes along after the shot's batch was mixed and most likely you're not protected from it.

Was able to get it but had to drive 20 miles one way x 2.

Milage is tax deductable. It's for medical.

1st shot Friday.

While the influenza vaccinations have been no where near as effective as the COVID-19 shots, there are decades of data available to say what they do. The data say that the influenza shots reduce morbidity and mortality appreciably even for variants that were not included--just not as much as for the included variants.

Thank you for posting the link for "vaccinespotter,org", my wife and I already have had the two shots but I will forward the link to other friends and relatives.
I especially like the features that lists the closest ones according to the distance from you and zip code you live in.

got mine a month ago the next scheduled for july

This is absolutely true. The longer we let the current Covid strains replicate in society, the more chances there are for mutations or variants to develop.

Sadly, it appears the percentage of the population who doubt or distrust the vaccines will likely prevent us from achieving herd immunity.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2

Sooner or later, a variant will emerge that is resistant to the current vaccines and we will have to start over again.

It depends on how much the pathogen has changed, evolved, mutated, etc. The vaccine from the year before might need to be just tweaked a little bit.

But for sure, the flu vaccines do reduce severe illness and death. But I don't think any vaccine is sold as 100% effective for all people. It's just not possible to be all things to all people all time.

So far, in just a little over a year, 576,000 Americans have died from COVID-19. That's just the *confirmed* cases. That's about the population of Wyoming. It is accepted that many others have died due to COVID-19, but those numbers are lost in bureaucracy. Texas is claiming an unusually high pneumonia event. Many states are under reporting. They don't want things to look too bad. But people are noticing that many of their friends and neighbors are gone.

The USA has lost 1 person for every 577 people due to COVID-19. Feeling lucky?

It is shocking that after all these years, as in decades, or even over a century, politicians ignore and deny science, and recommend injecting bleach, disinfectant, or inserting UV light sources in body cavities. That's just stunning. That other politicians did not denounce such governance was shocking.

Look, school systems and other municipalities ban people from facilities and participation if they have not been vaccinated for a long list of other pathogens such as measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, polio, chicken pox, diphtheria, pertussis, smallpox, tuberculosis, typhoid, shingles, yellow fever, etc. The list goes on and on. Many of you probably forgot you have already been vaccinated against these pathogens. You've had your children vaccinated. So why the big uproar over a vaccine for one of the deadliest pathogens in modern times? You don't even question getting getting boosters at your regular physical exams.

The only thing that is dividing is the chasm between science and ignorance. How people can let themselves be led by non-objective self-serving entities is stunning.

How many of you believe that the vaccines have microchips from Bill Gates to control the mass population? It's stunning.

Facts are still facts after they have been denied.

If I grok it right, new northern hemisphere flu vaccines are based on both long term history and the most recent southern hemisphere's winter data.

Yep, people believe stuff like that and we let them reproduce. I worked in the computer chip industry for over 25 years and I can tell you that you cannot make chips small enough to fit through a needle as small in diameter as a Covid vaccine needle. Also, if you have a ten dose vial of the vaccine, how are you going to get only one chip? Why not two, or three, or all ten? Maybe the person in front of you gets all ten and you get none. God gave you common sense, use some of it. Common sense will tell you that if you jump off a ten story building, you will die. Apply some of that to the everyday world. Ask yourself if something is possible; if it’s not, don’t believe it. Ask yourself if the person telling you something is knowledgeable about the subject, and if they are not, don’t believe them. Common sense. It’s a wonderful thing when you use it.

An opinion is not based on knowledge or fact.

I'd go as far as saying incorrect information must be challenged. The incorrect information being put forth regarding the COVID-19 tragedy borders on pure evil.

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." - Albert Einstein

I understand and believe this info, I'm basing what I said on the fact I have gotten the flu, pretty rough, hospital bouts with it, twice, even though I had gotten that years flu shot a month or so prior. It was my Dr. who suggested what I typed here above, that the reason I still caught the thing was because of the mix not including a particular variant of flu.

The chip is attached as a break-away on the tip of the needle. That way, each vaccine recipient gets one and only one transponder. When the injection is given, the chip detaches from the needle and becomes imbedded. JUST KIDDING!!!

FDA, CDC recommend pausing use of Johnson & Johnson vaccine after reports of rare but severe blood clots

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/04/13/covid-...

you guys aware that NFL balls, etc. were chipped? I didn't prior to maybe a few years ago. It's astounding how much data exists, trajectory, velocity, etc. etc. The first time I found RFID in my car (maybe 12 years ago) I was like wth is that????? It had the world Alien and a part number--I googled it and found it was RFID--then I asked myself, who put it there? And when?

What would the chip in a human accomplish? Maybe see if they shoplifted at Walmart?

I've read that our smartphone's Wi-Fi and Bluetooth identities are tracked in big box stores. They may not know who we are (maybe they do) but it is easy to identify unique shoppers. They apparently study things like how much time we spend hovering in an area.

What could possibly be more boring than studying how I shop?

Quite a while ago when supermarket shopper loyalty cards came out I think someone persuaded the suits at various businesses that collecting data on what their shoppers did was somehow going to make them rich. I have the impression that one was rather a more optimistic view than the reality.

Marketing is big business, even the smallest boring detail. Study's tell them where to put things. For instance milk and eggs, two popular items, are in the back corner of the store. Everything from the front door to that back corner is carefully placed in an attempt to get you to buy it. Slow sellers are placed at eye level. It's a science. Thousands of dollars are spent figuring this stuff out, so boring to you could be gold to them.

Got my first jab of the Covid vaccine yesterday morning. I was pleasantly surprised at the efficiency of the operation of the mass vaccination site.

My time slot was for 08:45 to 09:00. I arrived around 08:25 (they said to arrive no earlier than 30 minutes prior). It was under 30 minutes from the time I got onto the line to enter the site to when I left after the post-jab waiting period. I was back at my car by 09:00.

They had a looping slide deck playing that had information various topics along with v-safe. It was easy to get registered and the check-in later in the day was quick and easy. We'll see how the remaining check-ins go.

So far only a sort arm at the jab site after a day.

A few years back (and perhaps still true) Safeway bunched products by an arbitrary label of breakfast, lunch,or dinner. One label per product. Two or three aisles per label. Consequently, if you wanted e.g. one brand of hot sauce you had three possible locations to check. Having annoyed customers doesn't seem like a good policy.

My memory may be inadequate for anything of importance, but my short term memory for numbers is excellent. At checkout time at Safeway I usually caught three or more items where the computer inventory price was wrong. This was no error. One characteristic of error (normal distribution etc.) is that the errors will sometimes be on the low side. That never happened. The people behind me in line hated me but they should have hated Safeway.

Safeway was convenient for me. Only one mile to walk and only ~350 feet altitude to gain walking home encumbered. I only drive to King Soopers (Kroger) now.

shot yesterday. Little soreness in the arm is about all. Yes, got Pfizer but not sure there will be a third (booster) shot in my future. Time will tell.