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Thu, 01/30/2020 - 3:57pm

Hi,

I'm currently freaking out over this.

There were two cars in front of me, car 1 at the front was a large 4x4 the second car was a smaller and my car being the last car.

We approach a 4 way junction with red light cameras. Car 1 is turning right but ends up blocking car 2 and I behind them as their positioning was not good. Car 2 and I were stuck behind over the white line but in the cross roads.

Car 1 had to wait for the red light to be able to turn right and car 2 and I had to wait for them to move for us to move and not block the road. We entered the junction on the green light and left on the red line but we were all over the white line.

Will I get a ticket if I passed the white line before the red light and had to move?

Many thanks! #redlightcamera

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Thu, 01/30/2020 - 6:33pm

If you were past the spot

If you were past the spot that triggers the camera while it was green, both sets of tires, then I'd say you won't. But if say your back tires were not then you might.

Not sure where you are but in Pennsylvania you are able to dispute a ticket, so if you did get a ticket there's that, explain the situation.

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Thu, 01/30/2020 - 6:55pm

UK

Since you are in the UK, many of us are unaware of the traffic laws there.

In most states of the US, the way the laws are written, if the front of the car enters the intersection (crosses the stop line) on a green light, then you are inside the intersection lawfully and you haven't driven through a red light. Even if the light turns red when you are inside the intersection, it is your duty to drive out of the intersection to clear the way without a violation of the law.

Is it the same way in the UK?

dobs108 smile

Fri, 01/31/2020 - 4:31am

I was hoping that's how it

I was hoping that's how it is but I've not really heard of anyone else in this situation. Just annoyed that the 1st car didnt move when they had the opportunity!

Thanks so much for the reply! I guess I have 14 days to wait for a NIP.

Fri, 01/31/2020 - 4:34am

Should be fine

dobs108 wrote:

Since you are in the UK, many of us are unaware of the traffic laws there.

I hope that's how it works, I'm a relatively new driver as well and get really panicky over things like this! But I would imagine from what you both replied i should be fine!

Thanks for the reply!

Fri, 01/31/2020 - 5:51am

Yes

Same rule in UK, although if it's clear you cannot proceed, eg if traffic is not moving, you shouldn't enter as you then block the intersection. However that's a driving courtesy rather than a violation, unless the crossing (in the UK anyways) is marked with hatched yellow markings. Then you must only enter IF you're able to proceed, if you stop on the hatched area that is an offence, although there are a few exceptions to that rule too!

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Fri, 01/31/2020 - 9:38am

Cash cows!

As you know, most of the Councils in the UK use those junctions as a cash cow! Especially London and surrounding areas.

Fri, 01/31/2020 - 1:00pm

No yellow box

sussamb wrote:

unless the crossing (in the UK anyways) is marked with hatched yellow markings. Then you must only enter IF you're able to proceed, if you stop on the hatched area that is an offence, although there are a few exceptions to that rule too!

There was no yellow box. And there was plenty of time for car 1 to go it's just they were too hesitant or something

Fri, 01/31/2020 - 1:55pm

Well ...

You'll be safe then smile

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Sat, 02/08/2020 - 12:02pm

never

heard or seen it happen, only discussed.

First of all, violations are reviewed by a human. The system arms after red, so here's what I think.

You head towards an intersection 40 mph, light turns red, you slam on your brakes and slide over the white line.

System was armed on red, flash.

A person looks at it and sees the cameras were triggered, and sees a car over the white line, that did not proceed.

No ticket.

People would love to say yes you get a ticket, it's human nature I've seen it here, where people like to lecture others but has nothing to do with the original question.

My money is on no. At any rate it happened to me in Chicago twice, I never got a ticket.

Sat, 04/16/2022 - 4:35pm

NYC has laws against blocking the box.

I know that in nyc there are laws against blocking the box. I think a car can get a ticket for blocking the intersection when their light is red. I might be wrong about that. I am not sure if a traffic camera would ticket a car for blocking the box (intersection) when the light turns red. I do not know of any other jurisdiction that has a blocking the box traffic law.

Mon, 04/18/2022 - 12:04pm

Several cities

garmin-nuvi-user wrote:

I know that in nyc there are laws against blocking the box. I think a car can get a ticket for blocking the intersection when their light is red. I might be wrong about that. I am not sure if a traffic camera would ticket a car for blocking the box (intersection) when the light turns red. I do not know of any other jurisdiction that has a blocking the box traffic law.

DC and Seattle have them, I believe Portland, Oregon is considering them.

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