Red Light Camera Direction Of Travel

 

I've been playing around with the latest version of the red light camera POI file, when out of nowhere, an idea hit smile

As I've always been annoyed to hear the beeps of an upcoming camera and then find out the camera is pointing in another direction, I thought why not change the CSV file to list the street name and direction in the description?

So instead of having an intersection name display, which is pretty much meaningless, why not change something like "Main and Second" to "Main St. North"? Main St being the street where the camera is and North being the direction the camera is pointing.

I've updated a lot of the cameras in my city to this new format, mostly by just searching the areas in google maps, and found it works rather well. If I'm driving on Second St westbound and the beeps sound, a quick look tells me the camera is pointing north on Main St so really no need to pay extra attention... not that you shouldn't be paying extra attention while approaching an intersection, but you get the idea grin

It's a pain to have to keep updating each new CSV file download, so I thought I'd throw it out there to see if there's any interest in recommending to change the CSV file descriptions to this type of format? It will be a lot of work, but with a couple of volunteers here and there I'm sure it could be accomplished over time.

Thoughts?

Intersection is good enough

Intersection is good enough for me.

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Several thoughts

If the intersection is no longer defined, how do you know where the camera is on Main St?

If there is a camera at Main & 1st, another at Main & 2nd, both cameras pointing North (Main goes N/S), you would end up with the same description.

I believe the description may currently contain directional information in it, such as EB or NB, but they are few and far between. Here is one exanple: Service Rd NB & Lemmon - TX Dallas

I also like to have directional information for safety cameras in order to have fewer false-alerts going off. I use an Android app for car navigation. I maintain a "Directions" database consisting of Longitude, Latitude, CameraDirection, One or 2 Directions. I wrote custom software that takes the poi-factory data and merges in the "Directions", then it creates the required data file for my Android app. This is still a work-in-progress though!

RE: Several Thoughts

mr55 wrote:

If the intersection is no longer defined, how do you know where the camera is on Main St?

If there is a camera at Main & 1st, another at Main & 2nd, both cameras pointing North (Main goes N/S), you would end up with the same description.

I believe the description may currently contain directional information in it, such as EB or NB, but they are few and far between. Here is one exanple: Service Rd NB & Lemmon - TX Dallas

I also like to have directional information for safety cameras in order to have fewer false-alerts going off. I use an Android app for car navigation. I maintain a "Directions" database consisting of Longitude, Latitude, CameraDirection, One or 2 Directions. I wrote custom software that takes the poi-factory data and merges in the "Directions", then it creates the required data file for my Android app. This is still a work-in-progress though!

EB, WB, SB, NB or something like that with the full intersection description would work too. The issue for me is that it might make it too long of a description. I'm still working with a Nuvi 350 that I use on my motorcycle and the 3.5" screen is a bit tight on real estate.

We've talked about this before

So where is it pointing?
If one is on the meridian between east and west bound lanes facing east for example, which way is the camera pointed? South East or South?

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Hmmm....

I use the RLC & Speed Cam POI files as tools... not that I exceed the speed limits nor do I run lights..

The alerts go off as a warning for me, nothing more nothing less. I don't care where the cameras are.

In several cases when the alert has gone off and there's someone coming up from behind faster than I'm traveling, I've lit up my break lites to see if I can keep the person behind me from plowing into me when I stop at the intersection or the speed camera.

But to each his own...

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You answered the question yourself

Speed2 wrote:

So where is it pointing?
If one is on the MEDIAN between east and west bound lanes facing east for example, which way is the camera pointed? South East or South?

You said it is facing East ...

Software which use directions in their alarm calculations use a 360 degree camera direction, as well as an angle of approach (usually set at 45 degrees), and some software also includes 2-direction monitoring (180 degress apart).

I bought

the Garmin subscription one year, and I thought it had that feature. I don't in retrospect think that it does. But I don't even use the Garmin anymore, I use my phone. I actually don't even have a rational answer, to why I even needed to have something alerting me to where rlcs are. I remember friends riding in the car saying why do you need that? Isn't it annoying? Don't you stop anyway for red lights? It's definitely not for the majority of people. Maybe it was this distrust as to whether the system works properly, I bought into the "they've shortened the yellows" or "I stopped but I got a ticket anyway" conspiracy theories. But 8 years later I have gone through so many rlcs and never gotten a single ticket. folks should cut their ties and realize these systems work properly.

And, if you have a dash cam, there is only one side to the story that you did not run a red. Who needs alerts?

What

difference does it make? North, south or whatever. If the camera is doing the other direction, does it mean you'll run the redlight!
Yellow means stop if you can safely do so! Yellow doesn't mean hammer the gas pedal !!!

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Like a Geiger counter

KenSny wrote:

Intersection is good enough for me.

The alert lets me know I'm coming up on an enforcement area and to govern myself accordingly.

Ditto.

MMtoTSS wrote:
KenSny wrote:

Intersection is good enough for me.

The alert lets me know I'm coming up on an enforcement area and to govern myself accordingly.

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what I've learned

Melaqueman wrote:

difference does it make? North, south or whatever. If the camera is doing the other direction, does it mean you'll run the redlight!
Yellow means stop if you can safely do so! Yellow doesn't mean hammer the gas pedal !!!

If you are traveling the correct speed (a double check on this is when you're on an avenue and you go 1 mile all greens), there's no problem whatsoever, no doubt, etc. Again, 4 y.o. kids understand staying onside playing soccer and hockey, grown adults can certainly drive a vehicle so as to safely proceed or stop depending on the indicator.

If you feel someone is out to get you? Fight back, get front/rear cams. Only one thing happened. If you get a ticket on red (have not seen a single documented case), you've got video to show you stopped. One one side to the story.

Thats the point

Melaqueman wrote:

difference does it make? North, south or whatever. If the camera is doing the other direction, does it mean you'll run the redlight!
Yellow means stop if you can safely do so! Yellow doesn't mean hammer the gas pedal !!!

Why does this topic seem to come up all the time?
BTW how do you even know there's a camera in the housing?????
I know for a fact that some are empty, i've seen them being rotated.

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Hmm

mr55 wrote:
Speed2 wrote:

So where is it pointing?
If one is on the MEDIAN between east and west bound lanes facing east for example, which way is the camera pointed? South East or South?

You said it is facing East ...

Software which use directions in their alarm calculations use a 360 degree camera direction, as well as an angle of approach (usually set at 45 degrees), and some software also includes 2-direction monitoring (180 degress apart).

Actually that Camera could be setup to do two directions, i've seen them do it personally. If the post is in the centre median it could do south east and south if its 3 lanes. In a large intersection it doesn't take much rotation.

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Same Old Same Old

Speed2 wrote:
Melaqueman wrote:

difference does it make? North, south or whatever. If the camera is doing the other direction, does it mean you'll run the redlight!
Yellow means stop if you can safely do so! Yellow doesn't mean hammer the gas pedal !!!

Why does this topic seem to come up all the time?
BTW how do you even know there's a camera in the housing?????
I know for a fact that some are empty, i've seen them being rotated.

I don't understand why either? Why even have red light camera alerts? Why maintain all of the files?

The reason why I like the alerts is, not to break the law by going through a red light, or jamming on the gas pedal to make it through the yellow, but to use extra caution to avoid getting a ticket that you cannot get out of ever, under any circumstances, you are guilty regardless, no due process, and please send your $100 in unmarked bills. That's why!

I want to make sure I dot all of my i's and cross all of my t's. If I need a little reminder to game the system, fine by me!

As far as the original question, I wouldn't mind a directional alert.