New Speed Camera

but there are times when the 25 mph practically speaking is on the low side (like when there are 2 lanes in each direction, it defies what a reasonable driver would believe the limit is)

The speed limit is posted as 25 mph and it is the same all through downtown. This is a one way south out of downtown street with a lot of pedestrians.
Being reasonable is obeying the law and not what you want it to be. Those signs are real and posted so one can see.
To get a drivers license one must pass a test that asks questions about speed limits so one cannot plead ignorance.

I'm all for busting anybody doing 37 or more.

People argue until we're blue in the face, but there's a reason for laws, and the enforcement of them. There will be a generation of folks who know nothing except speed and red light cams. The vast majority of those folks will follow the law.

In my office, there is already a generation of workers who have never, ever, seen, nor used a CD (when was the last time you or I handled a CD? Many years ago--but I do know what they are, obviously). My guess is it will be a generation a little bit younger than they are, perhaps those folks are 10 y.o. right now.

"People argue until we're blue in the face, but there's a reason for laws, and the enforcement of them."

You know that sometimes jurisdictions make their decision based on things other than public safety, right?

Like what???

Care to enlighten the rest of us ??

Sure will. Your enlightenment's below.

Let's take illegally shortening the yellow light at a red light camera intersection so that more drivers get caught , thus resulting in more fines and additional monies coming into the coffers of that particular jurisdiction.

If you want, I'll give you more enlightenment examples. All you have to do is ask.

Nuvi1300WTGPS

We are talking about adding a speed camera for the red light camera was already there for several years.
If you speed up to run the light you will only get a ticket for that and not speeding.
If you go for the conspiracy theory all you have to do is obtain a stop watch and record the length of the lights at several intersections to see how they match with the standard.

Little sympathy if you get a ticket via a cop or speed cam. It is common knowledge that enough cities have been caught playing with the timing to increase revenue on RLC but I haven't heard of a city manipulating a speed cam. In the case of speeding you know you're playing with fire going over the limit. Yes, most of us at a given time have gone enough over the limit to warrant a ticket and got away with it but that doesn't mean we didn't deserve one.

Here is an article from the National Motorist Association, identifying SIX cities that have yellow lights shorter than proposed standards.

https://www.motorists.org/blog/6-cities-that-were-caught-sho...

Two caveats to this blog
...the standard they are referring to is one being proposed by the National Motorist Association Foundation (sound familiar?)
http://www.shortyellowlights.com/standards/
...and the cities listed in the blog were identified by thenewspaper.com.

As a retired person with time on my hands when the red light cameras were getting ready to be installed in this area I put a video camera on the dash of my car and drove through the city and suburbs with my trackstick keeping track of the streets I drove.
I drove slow enough to hit as many red lights as possible.
When the cameras were operational I then drove past those sites with my camera and when I got home I compared the two videos and found out they were the same.
My only problem was when they had cameras at the Hickman exit on I80/I35 which was used by many trucks getting fuel would block the left view of cars wanting to turn right on red but would have to cross the white line to see around the truck hoods who pulled out to far. Now there is no camera so that problem has ended.
To many people cry conspiracy just because of one or two bad apples but I prefer evidence before crying wolf.

Here is what they did in my neighborhood. Raise the speed limit to 40mph for two blocks and then lower the speed limit to 35mph at the location of the speed camera. Three lanes in each direction with a tree lined median. Only ONE speed limit sign partially obscured in the median. Get a large vehicle in the left lane and you'll never see the speed limit sign.
Mark

There is always room for more and more cameras!
Good thing for the POI Factory to keep us all up to date on their locations!

Will show as active in Wednesday's update.

~Angela

This is another reason to stay away from Des Moine.

The placing of an unexpected (and sometimes unjustified, really) speed reduction sign in hard to see places is common trickery by some city. There is one close to home that is almost impossible to see, behind branches.

just to clarify - did you mean "11mph OVER the 25mph limit" or over 36mph?

the game is called - measures, countermeasures - and it is played by both sides. If the cams r installed for revenue as opposed to enforcement, then it becomes an easy argument to remove them.

If the driver is playing the game unilaterally then if they get caught they deserved it.

Then of course there is the fact that no technology is perfect, but that isn't an argument to remove them unless it is so bad it negates the benefit.

The way it is stated is that they will issue tickets to anyone going 11 mph plus over the 25mph. Either way it is breaking the law and I would not want to argue that 1 extra mile before a judge.

They make decisions because is the easy for them. Revenue enter, many people like it, and when you are caught on one you are not going to like.
They can install cameras but don't lower the time the yellow light stays on. Manipulation of the lights is not safe any where, by anyone for any purpose. If they run for office to make the jurisdiction safe, but when they let corrupted officials sway laws to increase revenue causing people to be unsafe it is corruption on its best.
This is like war, to catch a few they put many at risk lowering the time you have to cross the road safely.

sometimes this forum reminds me of the comment that was made recently, how Verizon hasn't paid a nickel in taxes in years. the CEO begged to differ and backed it up.

The insistence that technology is never in the interest of public safety is astounding.

That incident that just happened in New Orleans, the technology at least is a permanent record of what actually took place.

It was stated in "John Natash 4's" post...

What's a CD? Is it something new, because I just updated to "8-track" from my 33 - 78 - and 45rpm vinyl records.

Nuvi1300WTGPS

into a WORM drive. (Which is a term that hasn't been used in probably 25 years.)

I just finished making copies of all my records and putting them on CD's and my Ipod.
I now have over 3500 songs on my Ipad from the classical's to Jazz. Could not have been doing it if I was not retired.
I am glad I did it now for the program was bought by Apple and is no longer available and I do not want to invest in others.

Not to be nosy (or high-jack the thread, but I will), what type of setup did you use for that? Regular turntable or one of those inexpensive USB players? I have a mid-70's Pioneer PL-L800 turntable and a bunch of vinyl.

I had an old turntable with a RCA plug for output many moons ago. My old old laptop had an input for mictophones and line input.
I used the program Cool Edit to save it to my hard drive. Adobe bought it (it is now called Adobe Audition] and the price went out of reach for me but I still had the original program that I bought for $19.95 and still runs on Win 10.
After recording the records I then eliminated the scratches or other problems and saved it.

Thank you, I've heard of Adobe Audition and it's way more than $19.95 now. Probably labor intensive but worth the effort since many of the records in my collection are Out-Of-Print. Once again, thanks.

A comparable one to Audio Audition comes from Australia.
www.nch.com.au/software
There is a free version which if you are just copying records or doing text to speech for a TourGuide and a complete $39.99 with a fiew extra bells and whistles