fines--crimes fit the punishment?

Don't live in California.
Don't vacation in California.
Let them do what they want.

After the city officials in San Diego, LA and San Francisco announced a boycott of Arizona after we passed the SB1070 law I have not been back and many others I know have done the same. I will spend my money in places that actually want us there like Nevada. I had a big trip planned when it happened thoughout California and canceled all my reservations and made sure I let the Chamber of Commerce in those areas know what and why I had done it. I actually heard back from two of them apologizing and they also let me know that they were going to be sure to let the local officials know what the fall out from there actions were. I would be willing to bet that the boycott hurt California far more than Arizona.

By the way I was born in California just North of the Golden Gate Bridge in Sausalito but normally I'm embarrassed to admit it and seldom acknowledge that.

If you're stupid enough to run a red, you deserve the fine. I have zero sympathy for those people, and is just as bad as texting while driving.

Companies that install the rlcs must make a profit putting up the signs.

then suck it up buttercup. Commifornia is the world leader in picking the pockets of its citizens.

My ability to speak Arabic or other Middle Eastern languages is lacking. Would not be able to get Gas, food or hotel room, have to pass.

Look at it like this..

If you were stopped and cited by a real cop, you would get points and if you ran eel lights / speed and are cited, before long your in d Iran's Co. Would make your insurance rates prohibitive. Th d n you can't register or drive or get a licence.

I say the 1st couple o tickets start at $40, then after that the next one I a $500, next is $1000, followed by $2000.

It would certainly cause the registered owner to identify 77th e driver and then they get the points and the ticket.

I say the higher the better.

Grrrr.

Good grief. Did you even think about his point? Apparently not.

of where a live human / police officer must issue tix...

Over the holidays we were at EWR at 5:00 EST dropping off my father in-law. This is the NY metro area.

I was a bit surprised that vehicles were quadruple parked in the arrivals for terminal C. It would be expected at PHL, but not EWR (PHL people actually leave the vehicles and come back--unbelievable, then again, believable).

Suddenly, all vehicles started taking off. I was curious why, but then I saw it. PANYNJ cop started walking up.

Couldn't his talents be better utilized elsewhere, and cams simply record any vehicle not in this case picking up and leaving immediately? Cams can assist in our society becoming more efficient. But my original point was that $600 is extreme imho, even though I agree with rlcs generally speaking.

I am sent there on business--I'd hate to get a rlc tic as it'd be added to the rental after the fact, and to tell you the truth I'm not sure what the co. policy is about expensing it. I had no problem expensing tolls from Dallas a couple weeks later after my original report was turned in, but I doubt rlc tix are approvable.

Again, of course, do not run the light. It would be just reasonable imho that if you made a mistake, you could cover it comfortably (such as $110). $110 would be annoying to anybody, I think, to have to pay that for a mistake. But, we learn from them.

All they are is another tax source. Most studies show very little scientific data in terms of stopping accidents.

how do you teach people not to run red lights ? put a cop on each corner where there is a red light , people are killed by people running red lights !! most red lights have a timer that keeps the light yellow for the correct period of time it takes a person to stop , but some people speed up knowing the light will be red when they go thru it !! a fine or suspended license is a deterrent for some for others killing someone will stop them , everybody cries about a ticket if you got one were you guilty ?
you were warned !! is the ticket expensive good, next time maybe you will stop instead of running the light !
sorry for the rant but ive seen the results of a person running a red light and it wasn't very pretty !!

The base fine for a RLC violation in California is a normal $100 to $150, but there are numerous fees attached to all penalties in CA. That is why RLC or HOV lane violations can easily reach $600. This is typical for several states:

Base fine $100
State penalty assessment $100
County penalty assessment $70
DNA identification fund $50
Court construction $50
State surcharge $20
Emergency medical services $20
Emergency medical air transportation $4
Court operations $40
Conviction assessment $35
Night court $1
Total ticket $490
Traffic school $59
Total cost $549

You forgot tax, tag, title, dealer prep and ADM. Don't feel bad in downtown Atlanta on the interstate the speed limit is 55mph. Do 80 and your expense after the fine and fees will top 1k. It's all about the money.

California is a good place to be from...

As far from as one can get!

Nuvi1300WTGPS

It must be nice to know that that there are people in this world who are 100% perfect and have never done anything wrong in their life.

There just may be a situation or circumstance in which one is better off running a red light... than not.

Nuvi1300WTGPS

Although Juggernaut's comment might sound harsh, pretty well every single person issued a photo enforcement ticket committed the violation they were cited for. Usually they are simply upset they were caught performing what they perceive as a minor transgression.

Of course, paying $100 - $500 for making a rolling right hand turn on a stop light or going through a light just a second after it turned red might seem like harsh punishment. But how many times should a driver be fined before they realize that the action is illegal?

The fine is punishment in hopes that it will change the behavior - hopefully BEFORE the driver causes an accident.

Top 80 in VA and you get a Reckless Driving ticket. Most other states take your license for Reckless driving. Beware, if you are passing through.

Being convicted of driving faster than 75 can cause revocation of license.

Your first paragraph is utter nonsense. I've never claimed to be perfect. Nice try though...

As for the second point, there may be, but they would be very rare.

I have mixed feeling about the subject as a whole. I can see the need, and the temptation for abuse.

As for the fines, if the fine is high and you get nabbed, chances are YOU won't do it again. If it's just a few dollars then you might not care nor change your driving habits. (want to know what kind of driver you really are, get a dashcam and watch the videos you've taken)

In Pennsylvania there is no "top" speed but rather how much over the posted limit you're going, so in theory you could be suspended for going 46 mph if the posted speed limit was 15. 31 mph over the posted speed is the magic number. Also there are 15 day suspension for speeding in an active work zone or a 60 day suspension two or more school zone speeding violations.

I was 19, I was caught 155 in a 55. My stupid tweedle dumber sidekick told me not to slow down, keep going, he was enjoying himself. Then, and today, you can't outrun Motorola. If you can, it's not likely you can outrun Airbus.

It was that day that I learned how worthless Escort is. Yet, they have them today for sale at really jacked up prices.

But I digress.

PA is very reasonable. I was pulled over for 52 in a 25. The officer told me do not send this in, plead not guilty, we will be lenient. If you send it in, you will be assessed 5 points, with 6 being lights out.

I did as he told, and was given a $120 fine, zero points. I pulled my abstract 13 mos. later, and there was nothing.

Did I learn my lesson? You bet. I have never gotten a moving violation again, and I think that was 8 years ago. So it didn't take $600 to teach me that lesson, $120 was good enough.

p.s. for the 50th time, I went through a rlc yesterday on yellow. I know the drill, I will not get a ticket, it's not possible. The car behind me should have stopped, but he did not. I do not believe he will get a ticket either (no flash), he was likely completely over the line when the light turned red. I already know, if my car is stopped at such and such a point in the queue for the turn, I can make it. Beyond this point, I cannot, and stop. This ain't rocket science, it's no worse than 3 y.o. staying onside in soccer.

Some folks need to be stung by the whole hive, not just one bee, to learn not to put their nose so close.

If the fine is affordable the lesson isn't as painful.

A local town has a "Speeding Fines" sign along the side of the road, it has various fines listed for various mph over the limit, it's almost as if they are saying go as fast as you can afford.

I agree that PA can be reasonable, most of the time you can plead down the violation to keep points off, but the fine might be the same.

Here's fact sheet on PA's point system:

http://www.dot.state.pa.us/Public/DVSPubsForms/BDL/BDL%20Fac...

From what you've posted, under 3362, the minimum 2 points occurs 6-10 over the limit. I distinctly remember I was given 30 in a 25, i.e. 5 < 6.

Remember, these points have nothing to do with insurance, they are DMV points.

If you read the law, you cannot be surcharged for one violation under 3362.

Ah, that is all fine and dandy. BUT YOU CAN HAVE YOUR GOOD DRIVER DISCOUNT REMOVED.

Which is why I wanted to know, does the 30 mph in a 25 affect my insurance rates. No, it did not, it was never even put on my record.

It's not the fine that hits the pocketbook, the insurance rates do. So likely the CA $640 rlc fine is cheaper than getting caught 70 in a 55, etc.

Yea I've noticed that from time to time.

I drive for a living, CDL, so I stay up on the laws and violations. I also do my best not to break them. Like I mentioned earlier, if you really want to know what kind of driver you are get a dashcam and watch the videos you produced, yikes.

I've always found PA traffic laws were reasonable, especially when compared to neighboring states here in southeastern PA.

PA is the only state on the country that does not allow local police to use RADAR for speed detection. The Pennsylvania State Police (PSP) are the only PA department that can, outside of federal police on federal land. When using RADAR the PSP vehicle has to be stationary, no moving RADAR. Local PD's have to use a timing device other than RADAR.

Also, unless using a certified speedometer, state law requires your speed to be more than 10 mph over the posted limit if the limit is under 55 before writing a ticket and 5 mph if the posted limit is 55 and up.

ETA: How speed is determined (RADAR Electronic device etc.) must be posted on a roadside sign and speed limit signs must be posted at beginning and end of each speed zone and in no less than half mile intervals.