Red Light Camera

 

My red Light Camera poi activated. cause was at intersection with red light camera. But now will not go away..... How do I make it disappear?

Are we having an epidemic?

Gosh, we'd had a rash of these recently...well, two in two days.

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/45209

The link above refers to an earlier link which was eventually resolved but probably not due to any of the replies from Factory members.

I don't know what to suggest but I do ask that if you find a fix (or even see it mysteriously fix itself) that you let us know.

More Details

danshort@bluebottle.com wrote:

My red Light Camera poi activated. cause was at intersection with red light camera. But now will not go away..... How do I make it disappear?

When you say it will not go away, can you be more specific.

Have you tried a master reset?

Ok..

danshort@bluebottle.com wrote:

My red Light Camera poi activated. cause was at intersection with red light camera. But now will not go away..... How do I make it disappear?

1). Does this happen at only specific RLC's ? Only one? More than one?

2). Does it happen if there are both RLC's and Speed Cameras at or near the same location?

3). How old is the / are the respective files?

4). When did this behaviour begin and have you updated the respective file subsequently?

5). Do you have another POI file that identifies another location at or near the same location of the RLC POI entry, say a BOA or a Hooters for example?

6). Have you tried to remove all the PRO's run it around for a day, then reload the RLC files?

Mayebe one of these questions will present a clue about what's going on.

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third thread

CraigW wrote:

Gosh, we'd had a rash of these recently...well, two in two days.

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/45209

The link above refers to an earlier link which was eventually resolved but probably not due to any of the replies from Factory members.

I don't know what to suggest but I do ask that if you find a fix (or even see it mysteriously fix itself) that you let us know.

In this third thread the OP never reported back but JM found a duplicate entry for a POI in the Red Light Camera file.

A red light camera location was reported by two members at the same intersection of three streets. Streets 1 and 2 were used in one report and streets 1 and 3 were used in the other report. Coordinates were different but close together.

I am sure that the nuvi choked when two proximity alerts were received at almost the same time. Not every nuvi would do this. Some nuvis may deal with it without locking up.

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/44007

Danshort, what is the specific location where this happened? All Barney's questions are relevant.

dobs108 smile

Why???

Why do you even need a POI telling you there is a RLC? Signs are posted advising drivers of it... At least in Washington State!!! To me the POI is very annoying... besides there are to many problems...

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Reboot the device and if

Reboot the device and if that fails update firmware.

RLC Warning Won't Disappear

I've had that problem with my Garmin units for years. No real solution so far other than to reboot. That is a real PIA, especially when you're driving.

Some have suggested that it is caused by a duplicated RLC POI, but I've never been able to find if that is true or not, so I just keep rebooting the GPS.

Particular location

pratzert wrote:

I've had that problem with my Garmin units for years. No real solution so far other than to reboot. That is a real PIA, especially when you're driving.

Some have suggested that it is caused by a duplicated RLC POI, but I've never been able to find if that is true or not, so I just keep rebooting the GPS.

Does it happen at one particular location or at every red light camera?

Edit:
This is an important question because there are two ways duplicate entries could have appeared in the nuvi and caused it to lock up.

One way, mentioned above, resulted from two members reporting the same red light camera location using different street names. This is limited to very few locations.

I think the more common way would be multiple red light camera files loaded into the nuvi using POI Loader. This can happen because the most recent versions of POI Loader allow the user to name the file whatever he wants.

The original red light camera file previously loaded into the nuvi, which is now part of a .gpi file, will not be overwritten if the user loads the next update using a different name. Then two .gpi files will coexist with much the same data.

I think that when you approach a red light camera location where two POIs exist, the nuvi will choke on the data and lock up. This doesn't happen with every model - older nuvis apparently deal with it.

This is a theory. We need more members to report about this so it can be discussed and the cause confirmed.

dobs108 smile

Not Many In Canada

farrissr wrote:

Why do you even need a POI telling you there is a RLC? Signs are posted advising drivers of it... At least in Washington State!!! To me the POI is very annoying... besides there are to many problems...

Most of the ones here have no warning signs. You just know they are there by seeing the camera on the post. Huge money grab here with red light camera, photo radar, speed on green and everything else.

my wife

farrissr wrote:

Why do you even need a POI telling you there is a RLC? Signs are posted advising drivers of it... At least in Washington State!!! To me the POI is very annoying... besides there are to many problems...

agrees with you. A lot of people can't understand why you would drive one way where there is a rlc, and another way when there isn't. If you basically stop when a light turns red, I suppose you can be totally oblivious to rlcs.

And I've mentioned one million times, 4 y.o. kids can stay onside in hockey and soccer, a person who has a drivers license out to be able to stop a motor vehicle before the light changes to red.

Since I am not perfect

johnnatash4 wrote:
farrissr wrote:

Why do you even need a POI telling you there is a RLC? Signs are posted advising drivers of it... At least in Washington State!!! To me the POI is very annoying... besides there are to many problems...

agrees with you. A lot of people can't understand why you would drive one way where there is a rlc, and another way when there isn't. If you basically stop when a light turns red, I suppose you can be totally oblivious to rlcs.

And I've mentioned one million times, 4 y.o. kids can stay onside in hockey and soccer, a person who has a drivers license out to be able to stop a motor vehicle before the light changes to red.

Since I am not perfect its nice to have that POI Warning that there is a $400 revenue enhancement trap up ahead. We have it on the ballot this year in Tucson so it will be interesting how that goes.

A reminder is nice

farrissr wrote:

Why do you even need a POI telling you there is a RLC? Signs are posted advising drivers of it... At least in Washington State!!! To me the POI is very annoying... besides there are to many problems...

Here in PA the law is a sign must be posted within the block the camera is in. However the signs aren't in the same spot or even the same side of the street all the time.

In Philadelphia, the only place I encounter the RLCs, there's a lot going on trafficwise to be able to read every sign on the road. It's nice to have the reminder, it also put you on alert a tad more than normal that traffic in front of you may start to stop before the light turns yellow for fear of getting a ticket by running the light.

Most intersections here also have a pedestrian walk signal that has a countdown timer, as soon as it hits 0 and the light changes to yellow, people from the area see that and start to stop before the yellow appears.

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Accident Avoidance

farrissr wrote:

Why do you even need a POI telling you there is a RLC? Signs are posted advising drivers of it... At least in Washington State!!! To me the POI is very annoying... besides there are to many problems...

This is merely my opinion.
I find the RLC POI very helpful and use it as a tool for safety purposes. I find driving these days is quite dangerous with all the distractions that are present. I also see many people just don't use common courtesy any longer which is disturbing.

I can't count the times I was given the finger from people who cut me off or just disobeyed traffic laws and have that "me first" attitude.

My biggest fear is being rear ended by someone behind me following too close when I stop.
Knowing I'm approaching a camera puts me on high alert so I can look in my rear view mirror and hopefully find an escape route to avoid the possible collision.

Sorry for going off topic.
Since Danshort the OP hasn't reported back, it would be helpful to know the exact location this happened at. I agree with member Dobs108 that it's possibly a duplicate entry in the Redlight CSV file. I would rule out that the freeze has occurred due to having a duplicate Redlight POI with a different name. If this were the case I would imagine it would freeze up at every Redlight camera location.

If member Danshort can post the exact location I can review the current RedLight .cvs file to see if there are any duplicate coordinates entries.

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A Suggestion

pratzert wrote:

I've had that problem with my Garmin units for years. No real solution so far other than to reboot. That is a real PIA, especially when you're driving.

Some have suggested that it is caused by a duplicated RLC POI, but I've never been able to find if that is true or not, so I just keep rebooting the GPS.

I believe in your case you may have two Redlight Poi's having different names causing the issue. That depends if the freeze is happening in many locations. Since the RLC file is updated weekly there are always subtractions and additions to the file.

Keep in mind a .gpi file does not have to be in a POI folder to be recognized, either on the Nuvi or on an SD card. It is wise to keep them on a POI folder though since it makes it easier to track.
I suggest you do a Windows Explorer file search on both the Nuvi and the SD card if present using the keyword .gpi.

It may be some work but to see if a duplicate POI is present, copy all found POI's to your PC, then delete them from the Nuvi and SD card. If your map is NOT on the SD card you can remove the SD card to eliminate any chance the duplicate POI that may resides there.
Next create a new Redlight Camera POI using the latest file and put in in the POI Folder on the Nuvi. Now test the POI at a known problem Redlight camera site and see if it locks up. If it doesn't you now know you have a duplicate entry somewhere with a different POI name.
This method will show all POI files present and possibly assist you in locating the duplicate.

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it will drive you crazy in DC

to the point where I bet you say, might as well follow the speed limit and stop at red lights. If you're not perfect, as cams expect you to be, then you will pay a fine. And graduated on the speed. So to say I accidentally was going 53 in a 25, vs. 31 in a 25, is different.

Again, 4 y.o. kids can stay onside in soccer and ice hockey, grown people can stop for red lights. Sometimes, they choose not to (in a hurry, etc.). But man-up and admit it, don't blame the law or the devices which catch you breaking the law.

On the driving you crazy...especially the wrong alerts, it has a numbing effect.

Another point of view.

As a tall person who drives a smaller car I am often in the position of not being able to see the lights if I am behind a box truck/18 wheeler or other tall vehicle. I usually go through "on faith" but not if there is a known RLC.
Doug.

why indeed!

farrissr wrote:

Why do you even need a POI telling you there is a RLC? Signs are posted advising drivers of it... At least in Washington State!!! To me the POI is very annoying... besides there are to many problems...

Why do we require an instrument in the car that always indicates some amount of fuel is in your car.

Why, one would expect the driver not require that gauge at all. Then to top it off many vehicles have lights that come on indicating low fuel conditions exist. Other cars have voice allerts.

One can argue odometers exist in your car so you know how far you've driven. You should be able figure out where you'll likely get into conditions where you'll run out of fuel by using just the odometer.

Most cars don't have anoying buzzers, bells, lights, voices or cattle prods that go off allerting us we need to change our oil. But a gauge would likely be useful suggestion to change the oil.

While I don't condone the use of devices to break the law, which, seems to be the position some here pontificate things like RLC/SPEED. cam POI files are good for. I can't hardly get my mind around such close minded thinking.

I personally utilise and exploit as many tools as I can to assist me driving. I use the traffic app on my smart phone hoping the GPS might be able to provide sufficient time to navigate another route bypassing the traffic congestion. (No I don't use Waze).

Yes, I use the weather function thAt communicata between my GPS and my smart phone. Someday it might cause me to stop driving by suggestion it would be safer to stop and spend the night somewhere.

So it's not about following the rules as some postulate. If you follow the rules to begin with, these are just tools, gentle reminders.

Oh, and I'm sure we all know the reasons there are lined on the pavement. They are there only because some folks can't figur out where the middle of the road is.

Which works out to be the same reason keys are painted on basket ball courts. It's why foul lines are painted on baseball courts, and blue lines were on hockey ice.

Those lines are for the ref.

I realize some are unable to see all sides of a possibility and without regard to any rational reasoning those with oposing observations are obviously wrong and should first be chastised for being so incredibly stupid followed by having our driving privileges suspended, no revoked until everyone sees the same thing the same way.

After all everyo e knows resistance is futile. You will be assimaleted tnto the masses where we all think alike!

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Erroneous Signs

There are also situations such as in Oldsmar, FL where the redlight camera warning signs are posted, but the cameras are not functioning. Oldsmar has no local police department, and the county sheriff opposes RLCs and refuses to have his officers review the photos. The POI file does not alarm for these false sites.

Specific models with this problem

Is this problem limited to specific models or is it systematic in the Garmin POI software?

neither

This problem has only been mentioned by about three posters, so I doubt that its cause is Garmin software or specific models. We have not had a successful discussion to narrow it down.

As far as we know, it happens when two POIs with proximity alerts are located close together. When both alert at almost the same time the nuvi locks up. This may happen with some nuvis while others are okay. This does not indicate a defect - the double POI should be removed.

dobs108 smile

Thanks for sharing...

Thanks for sharing...

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RLC are pure money grab

windwalker wrote:
johnnatash4 wrote:
farrissr wrote:

Why do you even need a POI telling you there is a RLC? Signs are posted advising drivers of it... At least in Washington State!!! To me the POI is very annoying... besides there are to many problems...

agrees with you. A lot of people can't understand why you would drive one way where there is a rlc, and another way when there isn't. If you basically stop when a light turns red, I suppose you can be totally oblivious to rlcs.

And I've mentioned one million times, 4 y.o. kids can stay onside in hockey and soccer, a person who has a drivers license out to be able to stop a motor vehicle before the light changes to red.

Since I am not perfect its nice to have that POI Warning that there is a $400 revenue enhancement trap up ahead. We have it on the ballot this year in Tucson so it will be interesting how that goes.

In some cities stopping beyond the white stop line is the same as running the light. I get the idea of stopping but RLC in almost all cases is a revenue collector and have little to do with safety. Show me a city that has these cameras up at an intersection and they lose money. I won't hold my breath.

RLC

Round Rock, Tx will eliminate their RLC Jan 1st.

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Well...

farrissr wrote:

Why do you even need a POI telling you there is a RLC? Signs are posted advising drivers of it... At least in Washington State!!! To me the POI is very annoying... besides there are to many problems...

We have signs at our intersections as well here on Long Island but they are not required by law and some had been removed for an extended period of time. Also, the signs are not always well placed (on purpose?). There is one in Glen Cove, NY that is on a short pole by a tree. You really do not see it until you are almost on top of it and into the intersection. Having the GPS alert you is a good backup, especially when the GPS goes off well before the sign is visible.

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Mostly true

EV Driver wrote:

There are also situations such as in Oldsmar, FL where the redlight camera warning signs are posted, but the cameras are not functioning. Oldsmar has no local police department, and the county sheriff opposes RLCs and refuses to have his officers review the photos. The POI file does not alarm for these false sites.

We spoke with the county clerk in August. The cameras are functioning and issuing citations, but as you mentioned, the sheriff's dept refuses to review the citations. It is possible they could come to an agreement with ATS in the future, at which time they would start reviewing issued citations, but the statue of limitations on the citations in that area is 30 days past the violation date.

~Angela

duplicate csv/gpx files in sub-directories

dobs108 wrote:

This problem has only been mentioned by about three posters, so I doubt that its cause is Garmin software or specific models. We have not had a successful discussion to narrow it down.

As far as we know, it happens when two POIs with proximity alerts are located close together. When both alert at almost the same time the nuvi locks up. This may happen with some nuvis while others are okay. This does not indicate a defect - the double POI should be removed.

dobs108 smile

Recently, I have been puzzled by two successive double bells when I approach basically all RLC junctions. I checked and double checked to make sure I have I have only the RLC.gpi off POI factory. I am pretty sure that I did not have the issues earlier.

After some investigation, I found that I have duplicate RLC entries for just about all the RLC junctions. I identified that the is caused by an obscure "feature" of Garmin's POI loader. The problem is now fixed.

Let me elaborate. I download the latest RLC.csv to the directory "POI-factory RLC". I have been saving the second-to-lastest previous rlc.csv file in a sub-directory. Previously, I have been archiving the RLC.csv as RLC.csv.datesxxx. I am getting lazy. I do the same for SC in a different directory.

Then I recalled that Garmin's POI Loader drills down the directory tree that you specify as the location of the POI file and grabs every csv and gpx it finds. Sure enough, the problem disappeared when I removed the old csv/gpx file or rename them so that they do not have extension csv or gpx .

One easy way to be sure that you do not have the same problem as I did is to check the sizes of the gpi files. For the recent POI factory RLC and SC the file sizes should be ~750KB (RLC) and ~450KB(SC). If you have multiple csv's the file size would be doubled or tripled or ....

By the way, neither my 2495 or 3597 locks up with the nearly perfect duplication entries.

Another way!

Aha! Another way to get duplicates!

dobs108 smile

RLC location

EV Driver wrote:

There are also situations such as in Oldsmar, FL where the redlight camera warning signs are posted, but the cameras are not functioning. Oldsmar has no local police department, and the county sheriff opposes RLCs and refuses to have his officers review the photos. The POI file does not alarm for these false sites.

The RLC POI file is NOT triggered by the camera, but by GPS co-ordinates !
If it is added into the POI file it will alert whether there is a functioning RLC or not !

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RLC

In the past I had found erroneous RLC locations in my home area.
It was DARN difficult to find the locations in the CSV file.
So I did an experiment and had MS Excel do a re-sort by the state location in Column "D". A HECK of a lot easier to find a particular location now.

At my suggestion this has been adopted to the RLC and Speed camera POI file.

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Wow, wish we had a Sheriff who had ethics like yours

GlobeTurtle wrote:
EV Driver wrote:

There are also situations such as in Oldsmar, FL where the redlight camera warning signs are posted, but the cameras are not functioning. Oldsmar has no local police department, and the county sheriff opposes RLCs and refuses to have his officers review the photos. The POI file does not alarm for these false sites.

We spoke with the county clerk in August. The cameras are functioning and issuing citations, but as you mentioned, the sheriff's dept refuses to review the citations. It is possible they could come to an agreement with ATS in the future, at which time they would start reviewing issued citations, but the statue of limitations on the citations in that area is 30 days past the violation date.

~Angela

RLC's and SC's are just plain sewer level revenue generators. Communities that use them redo their traffic laws to make it almost impossible to defend against Photo Cams. The "Camera never lies" line is false, it only sees what they, the "Revenue Grabbers want it to see! You never get to face your accuser, just a photo. No Light accuracies, you have to take contractor word that the calibration is correct per codes. Camera does not record anything outside lens area and circumstance that a Officer would maybe see and understand.

How many?

windwalker wrote:

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RLC's and SC's are just plain sewer level revenue generators. Communities that use them redo their traffic laws to make it almost impossible to defend against Photo Cams. The "Camera never lies" line is false, it only sees what they, the "Revenue Grabbers want it to see! You never get to face your accuser, just a photo. No Light accuracies, you have to take contractor word that the calibration is correct per codes. Camera does not record anything outside lens area and circumstance that a Officer would maybe see and understand.

How many tickets from Automated Traffic Enforcement cameras have you received?

Tucson is special

zero, Tucson changed the laws so it was easier to get the money, more difficult to defend! Tucson also raised the rates for greater profit. The best part is if your a Mexican you can run all the lights and speed, they will not send out a citation to Mexican plates, costs too much and no profit!

I don't get tickets but do believe the entire concept of RLC's and SC's is illegal, just waiting for right person to take it thru the Court System! You have to be damaged (get ticket) to take it to Court, so it will be awhile till right person gets that Citation!!