New Speed limit in NYC

There is no requirement under the school speed camera law for signs to be posted for a school speed limit or a sign saying that a school is there. 25 mph is the perfect speed for a school speed zone. The "default" speed limit does not have to be posted.

I hope that the city will post every school zone with school speed limit signs, but they are not required to do so.

dobs108

Thanks !

The 25MPH limit is not just for school zones. It's City wide. This is supposed to reduce traffic fatalities, but all it will do is cause more traffic congestion. The fatalities mainly occur because of inattentive drivers, careless pedestrians, or both.

If they would actually enforce the cell phone laws, as well as other laws for drivers and pedestrians, fatalities would go down (and that is something the Mayor did at the start of this year with ticketing both pedestrians and drivers).

A good place NOT to live & I grew up there!!!

Fred

Just one more reason not to visit, or spend any time or money in NYC & the surrounding areas.

the City & spent some real money...but choose not to.

If you live down there then you should be planning to vote on Tues. If you live elsewhere & you find this type of hostility to free spending drivers unwelcoming, there is voting with your wallet & checkbook.

The City of New York has been through periods such as this before and change has always come ... through the polls & the realization of lost business.
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& BTW there is some very reasonable residential properties now available within a 1hr commute for those City types interested in voting w/their feet.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/hamill-lose-lives-road-r...

Someone at the EPA will be told to write a report that air pollution in the City has increased as a result of 25mph and presto the speed will go back to 30mpg: "in the interest of respiratory health for all." (that of course only after it is determined that 25mpg is bad for tourism, commerce, & real estate values).

Bada bing, bada boom!

If you drive on 301 through Lawtey in Florida any time while a school is open. the speed limit through the whole town is
15 mph. So don't complain how hard it is to keep at 25 mph, try it at 15 mph
And they do give out tickets if you are going 20 mph.

PS: this is a major truck road!

It's Mayor DiBlasio's new Vision Zero plan for no pedestrian fatalities in NYC. He is mirroring Sweden's pedestrian safety program..

Is your comment a joke????

The whole population of your town is 717.

That's the population of any 1/2 block in NY

We're being set up....first the speed cameras....now a lower speed limit!

The secret name is Vision Zeros, for all the zeros after the dollar sign that NYC hopes to rake in with the 25mph speed limit and speed cameras.

Is this 25 mph limit for some roads in New York? All roads? I have a hard time believing the Brooklyn Queens Expressway operating with a 25 mph limit, or any of the parkways for that matter.

The default speed limit is now 25mph, unless posted otherwise. Limited access highways, like the BQE are posted with higher speed limits. Usually 50mph.

Red Mountain California claimed a population of 125 in 2010.

http://deathvalleyjim.com/2012/01/25/red-mountain-osdick-ca-...

I recall as a child when we'd drive through had population signs of 5. I think the highest population I can recall seeing posted was 12. There are a few other little towns in Ca. That I know of that had singl or low double digits on the population signs.

will be following this story closely!

Here in Pennsylvania the school zone speed limit is 15 mph, very hard to maintain, it's kind of distracting really, you have to stare at the speedo to keep from going over.

I think you can go 20, nothing will happen...25, maybe not....think about it EZPass is 15 in NJ, but 5 in PA, people routinely go through EZPass at 35 to 40....

But driving that slow is distracting and may cause more accidents

I don't understand how. Would you please explain what would be different than, say, a freeway backup where you are inching along waiting to get past the obstruction?

How fast do you drive in your own neighborhood?

It's been 10 days since it started, and judging from the local papers, it's too soon to know how it's going to be enforced. I read somewhere that they are going to be very selective when it's under 10mph over the 25mph. If they get really serious you'll read about it. Certainly from the cabs, and Uber drivers, cause you gotta believe they are going to push up against it.

How it is, you get a ticket for Just looking like your moving at a stop sign!

Yet another way to discourage tourists.

Yes NYC has its problems. However if it is so bad why do the world's super wealthy consistently buy real estate here and send their children to Columbia University and NYU?

If you don't like us or our city don't come here. We don't need you or your money.

If you come with an open mind and pleasant attitude you will find we are exceptionally gracious and welcoming to visitors.

I was trying to point out that laws that seem intent to simply create another revenue source, especially, to those that come from out of town, does not generate good public relations.

An otherwise a good trip can quickly become a downer, if you get what's perceived as an unfair ticket.

GPSgeek and Double Tap, as a life-long New Yorker, I agree with you both. You brought up important points.

dobs108

When I read the comment on discouraging tourism because of speed limit enforcement, I was struck by how many such comments reflect only the feelings of the writer and have minuscule impact on people who are from out of town who might come or pass through.

When I am in another city, I try to abide by the speed limits when I am not on a freeway on the way through. I do not find this to be hard at all since I am unfamiliar with the surroundings.

On the freeway I try to go with the flow on the low side - staying in the slow(er) lanes and keeping my distance from the vehicle in front of me. I play a little game with myself of which the goal is not to have to use my brakes. On a trip from here to there, the time lost by not racing through a city is very small.

NYC is a good place to be from...

As far from as you can get!

Nuvi1300WTGPS

It is not easy to now drop to 25 mph on the wide city streets of New York.

Believe me, the NYPD is ready.

I crossed the Marine Parkway Bridge into Brooklyn last week and every 1000 feet or so was a police car with an officer being trained on how to use a radar gun. Traffic was choked down to about 20 mph anyway and in the stretch to the Belt Parkway, maybe 1.5 miles at best, there were many police cars with trainees.

Since then, on my normal but short daily commute from Long Beach to Far Rockaway I've seen significantly more radar cars trying to catch folks as they enter the Queens County line from Nassau County.

I imagine that the next map upgrade from Garmin will reflect the new speed limit restrictions.

Happy Thanksgiving all,
Rob

It is the king of attitude, and the capital of the world. It's a place where you go to someone's house, then google them, and find their salary last year was 29 mil. But truth be told, most people there are not wealthy, they simply spend way more than most on housing.

A few years ago on a holiday, and in the subway at roosevelt island, our friends got into an argument with these *****. those ***** treated them like they were country bumpkins. Yet they were from Los Angeles.

Like I said, attitude. I have gotten into fist fights on the subway, as a grown a** man. For real--in 2007. Let's just say I didn't lose.

…to go to places that derive a major part of their operational funding from tourists, like traffic tickets and outrageous taxes for sales, entertainment, lodging, etc. Maybe that's why I don't travel much.

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Why make such a statement?

From Tourists???????????

Can you cite any municipality for which this is true?

Unless the E-ZPass speed is posted on a regulatory black and white sign (Mass Pike does this), it is not a legal limit for ticketing purposes. The toll operator will charge a fee, send a letter, and disable your E-ZPass account (or contact your issuer to do the same if issued by another agency) if you blatantly speed through however.

Any city that derives a large portion of its income from tourism. Orlando and surrounding area come quickly to mind as well as Lost Wages in Nevada. Many cities derive a large portion of their revenue from traffic flowing through their borders, Waldo and Stark Florida are prime examples. Washington DC cannot support its services on taxes and grants from the Federal government, they typically raise over $110 million per year from automated enforcement and the bulk of those tickets are given to those that "visit" the city for work or sightseeing.

John, I suggest you take a breath before questioning every comment here regarding automated enforcement activities. While many of the comments are true rants that lack the ability to be proven, many others you question by demanding proof are sustainable.

I understand your thinking, but let's consider this some more

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I think a reasonable person would consider the use of the words "major part of their operational funding from tourists" to mean a municipality where more than half (ie., a majority) of the budget would come from tourists rather that those who live there.

Waldo, FL got about one-third of its revenue from speeding tickets but they have now disbanded their police force.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-town-infamous-for-speed-...

While "$110 million per year from automated enforcement" for DC seems to be a huge amount, the total budget is over $10 billion. see http://budget.dc.gov/

I think a reasonable person would have to wonder how "outrageous taxes for sales and entertainment" would be assessed only on tourists (would one be asked for some proof that they lived in the municipality and be charged differently?). That is the only way I can think of where "outrageous" taxes would be allowed to continue in effect.

Now, it must be admitted that "room" taxes would fall heavily on tourists - but it would also impact people who had business dealings in the city so there is some reason to keep "room" taxes out of the "outrageous" range.

Indeed, places like Orlando thrive on the income from tourism. However, it is the municipality that issues traffic tickets (whether or not these tickets came from automated devices) and imposes taxes (along with the state). It is the citizens of such a municipality that benefit the most from tourism.

And, the interesting thing is that I have Tuckahoemike listed as being in favor of camera enforcement. Maybe I was wrong.

I still think that Tuckahoemike made a statement that needed to be questioned. Perhaps if you read it again, you will agree.

You read too much into the phrase "major part." It does not, nor ever has been consistently rendered as being ore than 50%. !0% of any funding stream is a major part in any sense of the word as loss of that stream would have a severe impact on operations. Couple that 10% figure with a dip in revenue from tourism taxes gained from the hotel industry, sales taxes in restaurants, entertainment taxes from sales of tickets and fees from other industries associated with tourism and entertainments and you have a major funding disaster. You are too focused on one single aspect and not considering the overall impact one segment can have on the whole.

The District is unique in that the residents make up less than half the total number of people in the city on any given work day. Commuters stream in from as far as 100 miles (and more) every day during the work week to fill the various offices located within the 72 square miles of the District. Over half of the city's employees live outside the city and therefore do not contribute any significant portion of their salary back to the city in the form of taxes on property, auto registration fees or other contributions you would normally expect from a resident. Large areas of the city subsist on grants and handouts from the city and federal sources so they contribute little toward the costs of providing those services.

I don't remember the percentage of the land within the city that is exempt from taxes, but if I remember correctly it nears 70%. I do know that between 13th and 16th streets along Pennsylvania avenue the jurisdiction changes at least 4 times between city and federal. In some stretches the jurisdiction starts and ends at the curb, other at where the sidewalk abuts the building and still others at the centerline of the street.

The original intent of Tuckahoe Mike's statement of a major part of a total income stream is spot on as anyone without a fixation on one particular aspect would agree that a 10% or greater change is a significant amount and could be classified as a major change or portion.