Windows 8.1

 

Windows 8.1 is out today. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/buy?ocid=EVERYWHE...

If you use the classic shell start button here is the latest for 8.1 . http://classicshell.net/

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I'm gonna purchase a new desktop computer when Windows 9 comes out.

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Chrome did not like this link

charlesd45 wrote:

Some ideas you may use file:///C:/Users/charles/Documents/Windows%208%20guide/downl...

or IE or Firefox

Is the link broken?

Link correction

charlesd45 wrote:
donaldb530 wrote:

I hate having to log in with a password or 4 digit key everytime I start my computer. Has anyone found a way around this?

Windows 8 runs a tight ship by throwing up a lock screen and a log-in screen before you can dive in. But you can easily bypass those screens so you don't have to type your password every time. Here's how:
1.From the Start screen, type netplwiz. The command for netplwiz, aka the User Accounts Control Panel, appears in the search results in the left pane. Click that command.
2.In the User Accounts Control Panel, select the account you wish to use to log in automatically.
3.Click off the check-box above the account that says "Users must enter a user name and password to use this computer." Click OK.
4. Enter your password once and then a second time to confirm it. Click OK.
5. Restart Windows. Windows now bypasses the lock screen and the log-in screen to automatically take you to the Start screen.
6. Change your mind? To re-enable the log-in screen, simply return to the User Accounts Control Panel using the steps above and click on the check-box for the "Users must enter a user name and password to use this computer" option

May want to use this also http://classicshell.net/ it is free and works great.

Some ideas you may use.

Correction link http://www.cnet.com/how-to/complete-guide-to-using-windows-8...!

Another link that may come in handy if your computer slows down http://mywindows8.org/speed-up-windows-8/

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No Password

donaldb530 wrote:

I hate having to log in with a password or 4 digit key everytime I start my computer. Has anyone found a way around this?

I log in using only a "local" account. It does not let me use the Windows mail that is built in, but I use Outlook so that's not a problem for me. Also using a local account, my computer goes right to the desktop and skips the lock screen.

More like Windows 7

Windows 8.1 mostly rewinds things to be more like Windows 7. But heck, with 600 million PCs still running XP, the most popular OS of all time.

Is it really gonna matter? I just dunno.

6 months after Win 8.1 release

Microsoft Abandons Windows 8.1: Take Immediate Action Or Be Cut Off Like Windows XP

Windows 8.1 will no longer receive security updates after 13 May.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/04/15/microsoft...

Wow.

I'm so glad I didn't buckle into buying to Win 8.

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Although

I hope it's clear that Window 8.1 Update will replace Windows 8.1. The OS Windows 8 isn't going anywhere anytime soon and it's not going to be unsupported by Microsoft as long as you insure Windows 8.1 Update is installed when it's released in May.

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Yellow Journalism

chewbacca wrote:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/04/15/microsoft-abandons-windows-8-1-take-immediate-action-or-be-cut-off-like-windows-xp/

An awfully sensationalist article from Forbes.

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ok but the article is

ok but the article is accurate.

It is true that customers will not be getting new updates unless they install Win 8.1 update. The following is taken from:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/gladiatormsft/archive/2014/04/12/...

"This means that Windows 8.1 users - starting patch Tuesday in May 2014 and beyond - will require this update to be installed. If the Windows 8.1 Update is not installed, those newer updates will be considered “not applicable.”"

It's also true that Win 8.1 update has a problem interacting with WSUS (Windows Server Update Services) over https:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/wsus/archive/2014/04/08/windows-8...

The recommended workaround is to disable WSUS over https.

I cant imagine

what Windows 8 would offer me that 7 does not have. Of course I have a non touch screen old fashion desktop computer. SSD and bunch of ram make it almost instant on. It flies around applications like nobody's business.

I agree about Win 7. If it

I agree about Win 7. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, and 7 wasn't broken at all. It did take a while for it to get to the point where it was good and reliable, but I am quite happy with the machines I have running 7. Although I'm also happy with my older ones running XP.

Update

Notice this info on the download I done today for KB2919355

This article describes the Windows RT 8.1, Windows 8.1, and Windows Server 2012 R2 update that is dated April 2014.

Note Windows Update may offer update 2919355 again even when the computer already has update 2919355 installed. This is expected, and is in order to resolve a Windows Update client issue. Windows Update only installs the additional fixes for Windows Update clients instead of all the Windows 8.1 update packages.
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Windows RT 8.1, Windows 8.1, and Windows Server 2012 R2 Update is a cumulative update that includes all previous released security updates and nonsecurity updates. In addition to previous updates, it includes improvements such as improved Internet Explorer 11 compatibility for enterprise applications, usability improvements, extended mobile device management and improved hardware support.

Important All future security and nonsecurity updates for Windows RT 8.1, Windows 8.1, and Windows Server 2012 R2 require this update to be installed. We recommend that you install this update on your Windows RT 8.1, Windows 8.1, or Windows Server 2012 R2-based computer in order to receive continued future updates.
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Improvements

This update includes the following new features and improvements:
Enables a more familiar mouse and keyboard functionality for modern apps and controls.
Improves the web application compatibility of the Internet Explorer 8 emulation mode in Internet Explorer 11 F12 Developer Tools.
Increases performance and reliability when you use multi-display configurations for portrait-first device experiences.
For more information, go to the following website:
What's new in Windows 8.1 Update
What's new in Windows Server 2012 R2 Update
Issues that this update fixes

Update information

How to obtain the update

Note Windows Update will offer and install multiple packages under KB2919355. However, there is only one update entry KB2919355 in Programs and Features. You can also use the DISM command to verify the installation or uninstallation of the update.
Windows Update
This update will be available from Windows Update.

Notes
This update is provided as an important update.
If you select the Install updates automatically (recommended) Windows Update setting, this update is installed automatically.
If you select other Windows Update settings, we highly recommend that you install this update through Windows Update immediately.
The MSDN and VLSC updated ISOs do not contain the complete set of fixes that are offered from Windows Update. Therefore, Windows Update and WSUS will offer the KB2919355 update again to computers that are deployed by using the images in these ISOs. This is expected and does not result in the full reinstallation of the Windows 8.1 Update but only one smaller component of it. The rest of the update will not be downloaded or reinstalled.
Windows Update may offer update 2919355 again even when the computer already have update 2919355 installed. This is expected and is in order to resolve a Windows Update client issue. Windows Update only installs the additional fixes for Windows Update clients instead of all the Windows 8.1 update packages.
Microsoft Download Center
You can also obtain the stand-alone update package through the Microsoft Download Center. For more information, go to the Microsoft Download Center, and then search for KB2919355.

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Just bought a new computer

I went to Micro-center to check out their prices and found a very knowledgeable person who was Microsoft certified. I asked him about Windows 8 and 8.1. He explained the differences between the two and then told me that with what I wanted to do, he would go with Windows 7. He told me it would do everything I wanted it to do and it would be better for me if I went that direction. I took his advice and am very happy with my decision. The only problem I have encountered with 7 is that my e-mail program does not like Explorer 11 at all. The program would load but then freeze. Upon contacting my e-mail support team, they stated that 7 works fine with Explorer 10, but they recommended that I go to Google Chrome. I did and everything is working great now.

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maddog67 wrote:

The only problem I have encountered with 7 is that my e-mail program does not like Explorer 11 at all. The program would load but then freeze.

What email software do you use? Legacy Outlook (version 2002, 2003) has a problem with IE 11. Outgoing email gets randomly truncated after they're sent out. For example, if your email body contains 2 paragraphs or more, only the 1st paragraph is intact. The rest of the content is gone (chopped off).

Email program.

Haha.
Email program. You would be shocked.
I still use Eudora 7.
I have it running on Windows 7 x64.

I feel like such a freak.

I use...

chewbacca wrote:
maddog67 wrote:

The only problem I have encountered with 7 is that my e-mail program does not like Explorer 11 at all. The program would load but then freeze.

What email software do you use? Legacy Outlook (version 2002, 2003) has a problem with IE 11. Outgoing email gets randomly truncated after they're sent out. For example, if your email body contains 2 paragraphs or more, only the 1st paragraph is intact. The rest of the content is gone (chopped off).

Century Link's e-mail program. It is pretty good. Not like Outlook, but since Outlook is now an extra cost program from Microsoft, I use Century Link's e-mail. And, it works well with Chrome.

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One Of My

One of my biggest problems with Windows 8 was that if you were using a program written for the new OS there was no Minimize or Close buttons in the top right hand corner and they only ran in full screen mode. To close the program you had to grab the top center of the program's screen and drag it down to the bottom of the screen to close it (that was a real PITA), and I never found a minimize option.

Anyhow that seems to be solved now with Windows 8.1 Update. Now all those Windows 8 programs have magically obtained a Minimize and Close button although they still only run in full screen mode.

At least we are making progress. wink

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I wonder if Windows 8 is a skipper

Kind of like Vista. It seems about every other version is kind of a dud.

Am I reading this correctly

t923347 wrote:

One of my biggest problems with Windows 8 was that if you were using a program written for the new OS there was no Minimize or Close buttons in the top right hand corner and they only ran in full screen mode. To close the program you had to grab the top center of the program's screen and drag it down to the bottom of the screen to close it (that was a real PITA), and I never found a minimize option.

Anyhow that seems to be solved now with Windows 8.1 Update. Now all those Windows 8 programs have magically obtained a Minimize and Close button although they still only run in full screen mode.

At least we are making progress. wink

I open two Windows 7 at a time, one on each 1/2 of screen. Does Windows 8 only allow full screen or can you open two, and see both at the same time?

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Just Doesn't Belong...

chewbacca wrote:

Windows 8 does not belong in the office environment.

Actually the above says it perfectly. " evil Win 8 just doesn't belong... period exclaim "

Nuvi1300WTGPS

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Windows

mgarledge wrote:

I open two Windows 7 at a time, one on each 1/2 of screen. Does Windows 8 only allow full screen or can you open two, and see both at the same time?

Windows 7 and 8 look the same and run most programs exactly the same way once you get past the default start screen to the desktop. So you can still have 2 programs open, each taking up half the screen when using the new OS and working from the desktop. The situation I was referring to was when your running a Windows 8 "Metro" program, or in other words a program written especially for the new Windows 8 user interface.

However since I wrote that post I now find that I can in fact open mulitple Metro programs and slide them to the sides of the screen and they do become "windowed" so that's another step toward what the OS should have given us from the beginning.

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Thanks

t923347 wrote:
mgarledge wrote:

I open two Windows 7 at a time, one on each 1/2 of screen. Does Windows 8 only allow full screen or can you open two, and see both at the same time?

Windows 7 and 8 look the same and run most programs exactly the same way once you get past the default start screen to the desktop. So you can still have 2 programs open, each taking up half the screen when using the new OS and working from the desktop. The situation I was referring to was when your running a Windows 8 "Metro" program, or in other words a program written especially for the new Windows 8 user interface.

However since I wrote that post I now find that I can in fact open mulitple Metro programs and slide them to the sides of the screen and they do become "windowed" so that's another step toward what the OS should have given us from the beginning.

Thanks, it's about time for a new computer and I am looking at what is out there.
Thanks again.

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Start Screen

charlesd45 wrote:
donaldb530 wrote:

I hate having to log in with a password or 4 digit key everytime I start my computer. Has anyone found a way around this?

Windows 8 runs a tight ship by throwing up a lock screen and a log-in screen before you can dive in. But you can easily bypass those screens so you don't have to type your password every time. Here's how:
1.From the Start screen, type netplwiz. The command for netplwiz, aka the User Accounts Control Panel, appears in the search results in the left pane. Click that command.
2.In the User Accounts Control Panel, select the account you wish to use to log in automatically.
3.Click off the check-box above the account that says "Users must enter a user name and password to use this computer." Click OK.
4. Enter your password once and then a second time to confirm it. Click OK.
5. Restart Windows. Windows now bypasses the lock screen and the log-in screen to automatically take you to the Start screen.
6. Change your mind? To re-enable the log-in screen, simply return to the User Accounts Control Panel using the steps above and click on the check-box for the "Users must enter a user name and password to use this computer" option

May want to use this also http://classicshell.net/ it is free and works great.

Some ideas you may use. file:///C:/Users/charles/Documents/Windows%208%20guide/download.htm

Is there an easy way to get rid of the start screen? I would like it to boot straight to the account log in page.

I don't mind the PIN to get in but I can see where it is an extra step for many. Our computer has 3 users set up and an administrator account. The simple PIN keeps us from choosing the wrong one and I have a PW fro Admin.

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John.jcb wrote:

Is there an easy way to get rid of the start screen? I would like it to boot straight to the account log in page.

http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-boot-directly-to-the-deskt...

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My unit boots

John.jcb wrote:

Is there an easy way to get rid of the start screen? I would like it to boot straight to the account log in page.

I don't mind the PIN to get in but I can see where it is an extra step for many. Our computer has 3 users set up and an administrator account. The simple PIN keeps us from choosing the wrong one and I have a PW fro Admin.

My unit boots right to the desktop (the old, and loved real desktop). Can't remember how I set that up but I'll look because it's done that since right after I bought this laptop a few months after Windows 8 was released.

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What WAASup recommended is a

What WAASup recommended is a good suggestion .You can also use other utilities like http://classicshell.net/

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I second classicshell. Once configured you never have to deal with any of Window 8's "improvements."

Same here

GadgetGuy2008 wrote:

I second classicshell. Once configured you never have to deal with any of Window 8's "improvements."

Same here.I installed it as soon as I got Windows 8.0 and right up to 8.1.

Latest update 4.1

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Free upgrade.

Windows 8 users can do a free upgrade to Win 8.1 via windows store.

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Free upgrade.

Windows 8 users can do a free upgrade to Win 8.1 via windows store.

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8.0 was a touchscreen OS.

It all seems more than a little crazy. 8.0 was a touchscreen OS. It makes little sense with a non touchscreen.

I just don't see there being a demand for a touchscreen OS, for a computer. People get by with it on a tablet. But a tablet is for minor use. I can't see writing a boot on one.

But geez, if you don't have a tablet computer because you don't want one, why do you want it jammed down your throat?

Because The "industry" is

Because The "industry" is slowly stepping away from a keyboard and mouse computer. What could be more ridiculous than a laptop with a touchscreen? I think that in the near future laptops and desktops as we know them will not be available to the general public.

Think about this. How long did it take the phone industry to get the public converted to using touchscreen phones with no number keys? Yes, "button" phones are still being made, but in general they are on a slippery slope in marketing value.

MS made W8 so it would "feel" the same across platforms from PC to tablet to phone. Did they succeed? Time will tell. Personally I think they did a terrible job rolling out the product. They did not prepare their core customer base for the new shift in thinking.

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