Anyone not pay up?

 

Got a ticket in Iowa turning right on red. Anyone ever just not pay it? Wondering if the company will pursue it or let it go.

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Where in Iowa?

Depends on the city...

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No Pay

Where I live any infractions not paid will double after a certain amount of time.

Then when it comes time to renew your marker, unless you pay all outstanding fines you will not be able to renew!!!!

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If it were me, I wouldn't

If it were me, I wouldn't take any chances. Last thing you want is that coming back to bite you 5 years later during a routine traffic stop or something.

Why?

If you can't pay the fine don't do the crime!

Out of state

The OP profile says he lives in KC. I think I might risk not paying. He can always say he did not receive the summons. I doubt that the MO department of licensing would honor a civil infraction from another state.

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Can they trace the plate if

Can they trace the plate if you from another state? Let say you from Florida and travel to Texas?

Pay It To Avoid Problems

45 of the states & DC have a Reciprocty agreement regarding Traffic Violations.
Iowa and Missouri are included in those 45.

Read this and then make your decision.
http://search.dmv.org/dmv/reciprocity

Just not worth the risk.

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AHA

But a RLC ticket is not a traffic violation.
In Iowa the car owner gets the ticket, not the driver.

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How were you served?

How did you get the ticket: Served by an official? If through the mail, did you have to sign or show ID to get it. All that will determined if you were correctly served.

Ever want to sell your car?

If you do not pay this, you risk getting a lien put on your vehicle and being unable to sell it.

Iowa legislature

A bill introduced Wednesday in the House – with 24 co-sponsors – would ban local governments and the state Department of Transportation from installing new “automated traffic law enforcement systems” such as red-light and speeding cameras and require cities to remove existing cameras by July 1.

Iowa does not regulate enforcement cameras. It is left to the local governments.

Seems like Gov. Brandstad got a camera generated speeding ticket in Arizona recently. No word if he paid it.

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good luck.

good luck.

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First time for everything

spokybob wrote:

A bill introduced Wednesday in the House – with 24 co-sponsors – would ban local governments and the state Department of Transportation from installing new “automated traffic law enforcement systems” such as red-light and speeding cameras and require cities to remove existing cameras by July 1.

Iowa does not regulate enforcement cameras. It is left to the local governments.

Seems like Gov. Brandstad got a camera generated speeding ticket in Arizona recently. No word if he paid it.

Maybe Branstad will do something right for a change and sign the bill if passed.

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Legislature not in session at present

spokybob wrote:

A bill introduced Wednesday in the House – with 24 co-sponsors – would ban local governments and the state Department of Transportation from installing new “automated traffic law enforcement systems” such as red-light and speeding cameras and require cities to remove existing cameras by July 1.

Iowa does not regulate enforcement cameras. It is left to the local governments.

Seems like Gov. Brandstad got a camera generated speeding ticket in Arizona recently. No word if he paid it.

What is the date of your story? This sounds like old news... and a bill that failed to get discussed by the place where all good ideas go to die (aka the Iowa Senate).

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good catch

Jan 2012.

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Out of State too?

jgunn wrote:

If you do not pay this, you risk getting a lien put on your vehicle and being unable to sell it.

Really? For out of state too?

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Well...

I got a speeding ticket once in Mississippi. Summer of 1977. I believe I was doing 87 in a 55. I was cruisin' my new Gold Wing from NAS Memphis back down to Louisiana for the weekend.

Never paid it, but I wish I had. I've had driver licenses from perhaps 6 different states since then, the ticket never shows up, but it bothers my conscience every time I think of it.

Of course, now, some 35 years later, they'd probably tack on $2500 or some such if I wanted to clear it up.

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Hate to break it to you but...

mourton wrote:

If you can't pay the fine don't do the crime!

Speeding is not a crime

So....

You broke the law, knowingly or unknowingly, and are asking us if we think you should continue to break more laws?

It is not a lien I'd be worried about..

If the City uses a collection agency they could ding the legal/registered owner's credit rating and that could hurt for 3-5 years with collection activity showing. Since the owner of the vehicle is responsible for the actions of the vehicle you could be on the hook. Probably much easier to just pay it.

Not paying tickets

When I was young (about the time of the ark)
I used to travel from NY to Mass. At that time, if you were stopped with out of state plates and license in Conn. they only gave you a written warning if you were not going way ove the limit.
I used to get one going and one coming back.
Eventually they just sent me a letter telling me if I got caught in Conn. again, I was going to jail and the car woiuld be taken away.
Needles to say,I never went over the speed limit there again. Now they have an agreement with the other states about tickets.

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Good Old Days

Timantide wrote:

When I was young (about the time of the ark)
I used to travel from NY to Mass. At that time, if you were stopped with out of state plates and license in Conn. they only gave you a written warning if you were not going way ove the limit.
I used to get one going and one coming back.
Eventually they just sent me a letter telling me if I got caught in Conn. again, I was going to jail and the car woiuld be taken away.
Needles to say,I never went over the speed limit there again. Now they have an agreement with the other states about tickets.

Oh, so you were the guy in that Model T doing 40MPH in a 30MPH on I95. I may have passed you a few times.
grin

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google knows best

Search and you will find.

Driver License Compact
The Driver License Compact has 45 member states, which share information regarding traffic violations such as DUI, DWI and vehicular manslaughter. Georgia, Massachusetts, Michigan, Tennessee and Wisconsin are not member states and do not share information under this compact. The Driver License Compact originally dealt with serious driving offenses such as drunk driving but evolved to include any violation, which is reported back to the resident state. Drivers violating speeding laws in one member state can be assessed points in a home state that uses a point system.

Nonresident Violator Compact
The Nonresident Violator Compact holds drivers accountable for citations received in states other than their resident states. For example, a driver who receives a citation for a moving violation in another state but fails to pay the ticket in that state is accountable in the resident state. Penalties can include license suspension and points assessed on a driving record. Not all states are members of the Nonresident Violator Compact. Alaska, California, Montana, Oregon, Wisconsin and Michigan are not members of this reciprocal driving agreement.

Driver License Agreement
The two compacts, the Driver License Compact and the Nonresident Violator Compact, are combined in the latest reciprocal driving law, the Driver License Agreement. As of November 2010, there are only three member states in the Driver License Agreement, which are Connecticut, Massachusetts and Arkansas. With this new agreement, drivers face tougher fines when operating a motor vehicle in states other than the home state. Drivers may be held responsible for laws in another state when the law is not applicable in the home state. For example, window-tinting laws vary from state to state, but drivers will be held responsible when a vehicle does not meet the requirements in the state they are visiting or passing through.

If you live in Kansas City as your profile indicates you are SOL

Read more: States Without Reciprocal Driving Laws http://www.shafferengle.com/Traffic-Violations/Drivers-Licen...

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@ flaco

RLC tickets are NOT driver license violations. Period.
Neither are parking tickets.

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don't put words in my fingers

spokybob wrote:

RLC tickets are NOT driver license violations. Period.
Neither are parking tickets.

I didn't say they were. but regardless it doesn't apply to his question.

Nowhere did the OP said the ticket came from a RLC "Got a ticket in Iowa turning right on red. Anyone ever just not pay it?"

The fact is he was handed a ticket in IA, regardless of what the law says in MO if it is a violation in IA it is a violation in MO. i.e. window tinting that maybe legal in your state may not be in another and you have to abide by the law in your visiting state subject to a fine.

Here is a copy of the PA DMV, at the end of question and answer #3 it talks about red light violations, although no points will be accessed to your license in no way does it say you can ignore the ticket that was issued to you by an officer.

http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms/fact_sheets/fs-dlc.pdf

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In Iowa

Quote:

Unless otherwise specified by traffic control signage, this practice permits a driver to proceed with a right turn on red signal after stopping at signalized intersections. It provides increased capacity and operational efficiency at a low cost.

An officer of the law would not issue a ticket, because it is not illegal. But a RLC might.
AND the OP posted this thread in the ticket camera section. OK?

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In New York

spokybob wrote:

An officer of the law would not issue a ticket, because it is not illegal. But a RLC might.
AND the OP posted this thread in the ticket camera section. OK?

Since Sigo (OP) did not provide more detail about his ticket we'can't be certain of why the summons was issued. He may not have stopped before turning or maybe was over the cross walk lines.

Regarding your statement "An officer of the law would not issue a ticket, because it is not illegal",
this is not true. If a person fails to stop before turning right and the officer observes it, a ticket can be issued by that officer.

In any event, if it were me, I would pay the fine.

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Reciprocals!

Just for what its worth, these reciprocals also extend to Canada in addition the the 45 states mentioned!!!

Ya' get a speeding ticket in Ontario and live in N.Y you get nailed in N.Y. Even worse if you get caught doing 50 km/h (30 Mp/h) or more over the posted limit your car will be impounded on the spot for 7 days!!!!!

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Take Caution

If you do not pay the fine, then you are in contempt and warrant can be issued for your arrest. Considering the fact that most cities and states report the violation to a shared database, your infraction and warrant will be easily found by anyone who requests the information. Consider the event that you might get stopped in your state of residence or another state for a moving violation. The officer calls in your license and tag, and dispatch responds that you have an outstanding warrant for a traffic violation. At that point you may face the possibility of being arrested and having your car impounded. For this reason alone, it is not worth the risk to simply ignore the citation. Even if you say that you never received the citation, ignorance of the law is not excuse. The best thing is to either fight the ticket, with good evidence, or pay the fine. Do not ignore the violation, because it may cause you unneeded and unwanted consequences.

Fighting The Ticket?

I don't know what Iowa's procedure is for pleading not guilty, but I would assume the violator's presence is required to state his\her case.

Depending on the distance from Sigo's home in Kansas City MO to the county in Iowa where the violation occurred, it may not make sense economically to contest.

BTW Sigo never posted back, he may be fleeing to Mexico. laugh out loud

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Who gets the money?

Melaqueman wrote:

Just for what its worth, these reciprocals also extend to Canada in addition the the 45 states mentioned!!!

Ya' get a speeding ticket in Ontario and live in N.Y you get nailed in N.Y. Even worse if you get caught doing 50 km/h (30 Mp/h) or more over the posted limit your car will be impounded on the spot for 7 days!!!!!

This is an interesting thread.
In case of a reciprocal agreement, which entity eventually gets the money? In the example above, would New York State get the money or would Ontario, Canada?

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Money & Demerit Points

If you live in the state of New York or anywhere else for that matter and get caught speeding in Ontario you'll have to send your check to Ontario.

If the speed you were doing in Ontario has a penalty of three demerit points and you live in Florida those demerit points won't show on your drivers license.

If the speed you were doing in Ontario has a penalty of three demerit points and you live in the state of New York then those demerit points will show up on your drivers license.

If you drive with a suspended drivers license and you get caught you'll be subject to the consequences of that state or province your found in.

The laws vary from one province or state to another but it's true that there are certain provinces in Canada that will tow your car and send it to the pound for various infractions.

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Why is this a question?

Driving is a privilege ........ If you break the rules there are consequences. I was taught as a child to own up to my mistakes and make them right....that is what I taught our children. big problem in our Country today......"rules are for others, not me" and "if I do get caught, how do I get out of it".

Just my opinion....

I have never thought about not paying....

Big brother scares me !

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Not Paying RLC Summons

In New York City, if you don't pay they add surcharges.
Happy New Year.

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I Wonder

SilverRhino wrote:

Driving is a privilege ........ If you break the rules there are consequences. I was taught as a child to own up to my mistakes and make them right....that is what I taught our children. big problem in our Country today......"rules are for others, not me" and "if I do get caught, how do I get out of it".

Just my opinion....

I echo your sentiments, my parents taught me the same values. It seems more and more people don't feel responsible for their actions and make excuses.

But I must admit this thread has covered topics I never really gave much thought to. I have never received a moving traffic violation so my knowledge is limited. As we know that there are times when people receive tickets from photos taken by cameras that are NOT justified. Maybe the yellow light might not be up to specs, or worse yet, modified to shorten the time or other circumstances.

Just my thoughts regarding the scenario.
Maybe Sigo (OP), was in fact issued a such a summons and pondered if he should pay it since he felt he didn't break any law.
What options does he have.
1- Not Pay It And Be Subject To Risk
2- Pay It
3- Contest it and have to return to the jurisdiction it was issued in which would be costly.

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Why?

SilverRhino wrote:

Driving is a privilege ............

I know that has been discussed before but I still haven't seen compelling evidence of what aspect of driving makes it a privilege compared to other things in life that are a right or something you can acquire. As defined, a privilege is:"A special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to one person or group of people."

So it's a privilege only because the government says so, not intrinsically.

Happy new year anyway! (granted by December 31, so it's a... privilege.)

Pay it and don't do it

Pay it and don't do it again. Lesson learned.

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If you get caught

It is my opinion that you should pay for it. Unless you were in the right and want to fight it, you got caught doing something you know was wrong but thought you could get away with. You didn't and now need to face the consequences of that chance you decided to take.

A reason to not "Just Pay"

I followed another option. I called the number on the ticket. In 2006, I received a parking ticket issued by the parking authority of Spokane WA, Illegally parked in loading zone. It showed up as the former WA tag number of my 79 Camaro Z28.
Me: I understand that the parking enforcement people take a digital picture when issuing a citation. Would you send me a copy or post a link?
She: Are you contesting the ticket?
Me: Yes. As you know, I live in Aledo IL and you mailed me the ticket. The WA plates for this car expired in Jan 2003. In fact I have those plates on the table in front of me. The car in question was licensed in Illinois in Jan 2003. The car is now parked in the garage across the street and is on blocks. My neighbor bought this car one year ago and it has his Illinois plates.
She: OK. I will dismiss this ticket. Maybe the wrong number was written down.
Me: Would you please send me a written confirmation that this matter has been settled?
She: No. Have a good day.

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What's the worst that could happen?

They prevent you from renewing your tag and then you get busted for driving an unregistered vehicle and they haul you off to jail and impound your car, costing you several thousands of dollars in fines and legal expenses and possibly an elected office or two? smile

Interstate Tickets.....

A coworker of mine was in an unfamiliar place in NJ. While looking for an address, he made a turn without turning on his flashers. The officer pulled him over, and being nice to my friend, give him a ticket for "Careless Driving" which is a smaller infraction then a turn signal infraction. Since the officer was so nice, and it was some distance away, he decided not to fight it, and just sent in the payment. A short while later, he got a letter from the NY DMV (we live in NY), that since he was convicted for a ticket in NJ, it came through to them, and since NY doesn't have a careless driving violation, it was switched to a reckless driving violation. So here's what happened. He paid $75 + $15 in NJ, but a reckless violation in NY is $375, so he had to pay an additional $285 to NY DMV, & got 5 points on his license!

Long story, short, after hiring a lawyer for $500, and after almost a year later, he had the violation in NY dismissed.

I was stopped in NJ, and the officer trying to be nice wanted to give me "only" a careless driving ticket. I told him what happened to my coworker, and asked him to give me anything else but that. He had a good laugh, and let me go with a warning!

arg

stories like this make me wish they would go out and catch violent offenders like battery , Home Invasion, and wife beaters, but I know the routine traffic stop is the way most folks with warrants are picked up. It's lazy enforcement.

@mskids

mskids said wrote:

Arg stories like this make me wish they would go out and catch violent offenders like battery , Home Invasion, and wife beaters, but I know the routine traffic stop is the way most folks with warrants are picked up. It's lazy enforcement.

Let me put a different side of the story out there. Having been behind the wheel of that patrol car several years ago we knew that enforcement of traffic laws stopped all kinds of other crime. When the bad actors know they could (and would) be stopped for traffic infractions in any particular area, they move to another.

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Nope, but substituting cliches

Hate to break it to you.

Frside007 wrote:
mourton wrote:

If you can't pay the fine don't do the crime!

Speeding is not a crime

Nope, but substituting cliches for thought ought to be.

DOH! DOH!

DOH!
DOH!

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More details

OK. Sorry but been off the net for the holidays. First, I'm not saying I broke a law, only that I got a notice from a Redflex (a red light enforcement company in a business agreement with Clive, Iowa) saying I was responsible as the owner of the vehicle. I'm also NOT asking if if one should continue to break any laws. Rather, has anyone had any experience with NOT paying such a "ticket" issued by a red light camera company under an agreement with a particular city. The notice I received said that this wasn't a ticket but that if not paid, it would "be sent to collections." It also said that no points would be levied against my license. I also have the option to protest but believe I would have to do so in person. I plan to follow up to see if I can resolve it over the phone. I don't have high hopes. Really just wondering if anyone is aware of the next steps Redflex would take if I didn't pay the fine. Again, I never even said I was driving the vehicle at the time this "violation" occurred. This is surprisingly a little more debated than expected but I wasn't very clear in my OP. Thanks.

Iowa DMV Status

Check your status here and check out the options for traffic fines in Iowa.

http://www.dmv.org/ia-iowa/paying-traffic-tickets.php#Get-Po...

if drive there again...

my immediate reaction on this is..
if I ever drive up there again, will my this vehicle be booted in that town?

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